There would be no penalty to the acquiring team. Salary is less than caphit for the remaining term.

I thought it was a total cap hit vs. total salary thing. So regardless of where he plays, Chicago would see the penalty decline over time.

But my understanding could be wrong. Do you have a source on the method you described; that chicago has to keep him to claw back the penalty?
- Tumbleweed

All recapture occurred while Hossa was a Hawk so it's on them and you do not get a credit for years played after the cap benefit. The number stays at 18 million (IRC) until the contract finishes

Greiss, Murray, Elliot…and even Jones at $3M. Plenty of goalies in the hunt for the cup that come cheap with the right mix in front of them. Trading Crow makes the most sense and perhaps to a team like CGY that doesn't have a goalie under contract is a logical landing spot.
- acmidd28

1. A good "cheap" goalie from that list won't be traded to us. And, Darling is up for another contract the following season. Guess what - You are back to $6MM.

2. No way CC goes to Calgary or any other team that sucks, or is in a terrible city to live in. NMC will be an issue just like it was with Sharp.

Options are limited. Not enough cap can be cleared to compensate up front for your loss in the net. Best bet is to ask your $40MM+ "core" of non-goalie players to earn their paychecks next season.

Crow has really stepped up this past season and showed that he can be considered an elite goalie. He proved he has the talent to carry a team--especially this year with a very average Hawk defense.

That being said, I would be open to move him. If the Hawks can build up the blue line again, they can have Darling take the wheel as the number one and start grooming someone else.
- Hank3Henshaw

Darling has showed in various stints when given the wheel he can play well. However, there was never a question in both of the last two seasons who the #1 was. I'd be extremely hesitant to expect Darling to be able to assume the #1 and immediately provide the same consistency over the course of the entire season that Crawford has shown. Not saying he can't, just that it takes time to develop that as the #1, not as a backup. Are you willing to gamble a year of the window on that?

1. A good "cheap" goalie from that list won't be traded to us. And, Darling is up for another contract the following season. Guess what - You are back to $6MM.

2. No way CC goes to Calgary or any other team that sucks, or is in a terrible city to live in. NMC will be an issue just like it was with Sharp.

Options are limited. Not enough cap can be cleared to compensate up front for your loss in the net. Best bet is to ask your $40MM+ "core" of non-goalie players to earn their paychecks next season.
- Return of the Roar

No way Darling jumps to $6 million in his next contract. Maybe 1.5-2.5 depending on interest level and need. Even Crow had that 3-yr ~2.75/yr bridge deal

No way Darling jumps to $6 million in his next contract. Maybe 1.5-2.5 depending on interest level and need. Even Crow had that 3-yr ~2.75/yr bridge deal
- dstainer

I think you misunderstood me. A new backup plus a new deal for Darling brings you back to $6MM.

Front Office Protocol question:
Is it standard operating procedure for a front office to ask all of its NMC players to submit a list of teams they would be willing to be traded to every off season?

1. A good "cheap" goalie from that list won't be traded to us. And, Darling is up for another contract the following season. Guess what - You are back to $6MM.

2. No way CC goes to Calgary or any other team that sucks, or is in a terrible city to live in. NMC will be an issue just like it was with Sharp.

Options are limited. Not enough cap can be cleared to compensate up front for your loss in the net. Best bet is to ask your $40MM+ "core" of non-goalie players to earn their paychecks next season.
- Return of the Roar

One name I would strongly consider a replacement/fill-in if you were to trade Crawford, and I don't think you should. I would go after Reimer. He made 2.3 million last year so maybe looking at 2.75-3.5/yr. He showed that he could be very good for a very bad team; at some points completely carrying the Leafs. He also showed after he was traded to SJ that put him behind a decent defense and he's even better.

No way Darling jumps to $6 million in his next contract. Maybe 1.5-2.5 depending on interest level and need. Even Crow had that 3-yr ~2.75/yr bridge deal
- dstainer

If (big IF) Darling was the #1 I'd expect a 3 year $3 million AAV type of deal like Jones got in San Jose.

All recapture occurred while Hossa was a Hawk so it's on them and you do not get a credit for years played after the cap benefit. The number stays at 18 million (IRC) until the contract finishes
- dstainer

The way I read the cba (my interpretation):
Step 1) calculate the recapture penalty based on the remaining term of the contract.
Step 2) allocate the penalty to the teams that received the benefit.

So, the way I see it, penalty will decrease the longer hossa plays; regardless of where he plays.

If you have a better source, let me know. I am curious about how the cba applies here.

I think you misunderstood me. A new backup plus a new deal for Darling brings you back to $6MM.
- Return of the Roar

You are correct, but you still would net $1mil/yr

Only about six of the thirty teams in the league spend less than $6MM a year on goaltending, and except for ANA, they are all pretty much the toilet bowl of the standings.

You are correct, but you still would net $1mil/yr
- dstainer

And you are going to create a team better enough up front without CC with $1MM in cap.....

Darling has showed in various stints when given the wheel he can play well. However, there was never a question in both of the last two seasons who the #1 was. I'd be extremely hesitant to expect Darling to be able to assume the #1 and immediately provide the same consistency over the course of the entire season that Crawford has shown. Not saying he can't, just that it takes time to develop that as the #1, not as a backup. Are you willing to gamble a year of the window on that?
- dstainer

I hear what you're saying. Might be nice to get a veteran who is on his way out that Darling can learn from and take the lead, but have a reliable guy to relieve him.

Or, you can get the younger goalie and try to foster some good completion for the number one spot in order to drive up both players game.

seems that a lot of people expect the Hawks to shop Crawford this offseason...but you are missing the main ingredient...

a dance partner.

show me a list of 5 teams that feel they are close enough to a solid post season run where their front office would feel comfortable spending 6m on a goalie for the foreseeable future...

seems that a lot of people expect the Hawks to shop Crawford this offseason...but you are missing the main ingredient...

a dance partner.

show me a list of 5 teams that feel they are close enough to a solid post season run where their front office would feel comfortable spending 6m on a goalie for the foreseeable future...
- ChicagoDave

most of the canadian teams

most of the canadian teams
- arps714

The only one he would waive for is the team that doesn't need a goalie. MTL

most of the canadian teams
- arps714

And new found partner, Carolina. Lots of Defensemen to look at on the Hurricanes. Ward is on his way out and I'm not sure if Lack is a number one. The combo of Crow/Lack could be really nice.

And new found partner, Carolina. Lots of Defensemen to look at on the Hurricanes. Ward is on his way out and I'm not sure if Lack is a number one. The combo of Crow/Lack could be really nice.
- Hank3Henshaw

No way CC waives to go there.

The way I read the cba (my interpretation):
Step 1) calculate the recapture penalty based on the remaining term of the contract.
Step 2) allocate the penalty to the teams that received the benefit.

So, the way I see it, penalty will decrease the longer hossa plays; regardless of where he plays.

If you have a better source, let me know. I am curious about how the cba applies here.
- Tumbleweed

I don't have sources offhand, but it was all discussed around the Luongo trade, the fact Canucks have like 8m hanging over their head.

The way I read the cba (my interpretation):
Step 1) calculate the recapture penalty based on the remaining term of the contract.
Step 2) allocate the penalty to the teams that received the benefit.

So, the way I see it, penalty will decrease the longer hossa plays; regardless of where he plays.

If you have a better source, let me know. I am curious about how the cba applies here.
- Tumbleweed

This is from capgeek (via the Wayback Machine)

https://web.archive.org/w...-advantage-recapture-work

A “cap advantage” is accrued when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year. A negative “cap advantage” is applied to that accrual in cases where the player’s cap hit exceeds actual salary in a given season, although it should be noted that teams do not receive a credit for net negative cap advantage.

Only about six of the thirty teams in the league spend less than $6MM a year on goaltending, and except for ANA, they are all pretty much the toilet bowl of the standings.
- Return of the Roar

Blues say hi.

most of the canadian teams
- arps714

Montreal - Price
Ottawa - nowhere near to the cup finals
Calgary - nowhere near the cup finals
Winnipeg - nowhere near cup finals
Vancouver - nowhere near the cup finals
Edmonton - Just signed Talbot to an extension AND nowhere near a cup finals
Toronto - nowhere near cup finals

Blues say hi.
- Antilles

At $4.8MM you aren't far off, but the party is over next year.

Blues say hi.
- Antilles

that's great....did you just get our postcards from 2010? or 2013?....perhaps the ones we sent in 2015?

Montreal - Price
Ottawa - nowhere near to the cup finals
Calgary - nowhere near the cup finals
Winnipeg - nowhere near cup finals
Vancouver - nowhere near the cup finals
Edmonton - Just signed Talbot to an extension AND nowhere near a cup finals
Toronto - nowhere near cup finals
- ChicagoDave

right but CC would get them closer to the cup finals than other currently available options. personally, i dont think they should trade him