Where are all the geniuses who wouldn't remotely consider dealing the Great TT for "dat Drouin?"
- John Jaeckel

I ain't keeping score as I miss as many as anyone, but posted GM's will be lined up around the block for Drouin. He's still proven nothing in this league but is now showing what many thought he might become.

My point would be Stevie Y kept his head and didn't bite at the obvious low ball offers. I wonder how many GM's now wish, and he still hasn't proven anything cept a point per game in these playoffs, they made serious offers.

I don't really know who I'm pulling for. Part of me will always resent the Blues with a fiery passion, while part of me would like to see Nill's boys lose. Jim Nill has done a damn good job constructing that team, but he can pound sand

It comes down to the Dallas defense dealing with the physical forecheck of the Blues. Cody Eakin is a solid depth guy but the drop-off from Seguin to Eakin is substantial....
- EnzoD

Whoever is easier for the Sharks to knock out is who I root for here...

Ideally, Hawks would add a guy like Kempny or another ELC/bridge deal young 4D(cost-controlled for 2-3 seasons). Then, sign a cheap NHL Veteran goalie for $2mil to platoon with Darling. That would open up the cap space to extend Panarin at $6-7mil. I really have no idea what to expect, but that is what I would try to accomplish
- EnzoD

Enzo: Was thinking about this...

I think Panarin is fantastic, and he and Kane together are pure dynamite. But it will be interesting to see what happens next year in the event Panarin and Kane are split up:

Panik-Toews-Kane
Panarin-Anisimov-TT/Hossa

Can Panarin and Kane reproduce as many points apart from each other? Maybe Panarin and Kane don't produce as high a point total individually, but we then have two lines that are always a genuine threat to score 5 v 5.

Maybe the Hawks win more games, but Panarin doesn't get his bonus... And maybe his contract extension is not quite as high as Tarasenko's. I don't know...

(frank)ing Q.

Just watched Trevor Daley push the puck/play up the ice quickly on the Caps and score. We'd still be playing if Q wasn't such as hard-headed guy unable to meld the tools (players) given by Stan into something that works.

Cool. Here's who I have winning:

Dallas
Pittsburgh
New York
San Jose
- Hank3Henshaw

Pens - probably playing the best through the end of the season. Don't care for them.
TB - playoff experience from last season.
Blues - Seguin, even when he comes back, will take more time to get back up to speed.
SJ - because screw the Preds and their small timing bs.

(frank)ing Q.

Just watched Trevor Daley push the puck/play up the ice quickly on the Caps and score. We'd still be playing if Q wasn't such as hard-headed guy unable to meld the tools (players) given by Stan into something that works.
- savvyone-1

As much crap I give the FO, is Q even consulted on these deals? I'd assume so. Some many of the new guys, productive vets, just rot on the bench. Q is either nuts, or really hard headed. Not sure which one yet, or a little of both.

Enzo: Was thinking about this...

I think Panarin is fantastic, and he and Kane together are pure dynamite. But it will be interesting to see what happens next year in the event Panarin and Kane are split up:

Panik-Toews-Kane
Panarin-Anisimov-TT/Hossa

Can Panarin and Kane reproduce as many points apart from each other? Maybe Panarin and Kane don't produce as high a point total individually, but we then have two lines that are always a genuine threat to score 5 v 5.

Maybe the Hawks win more games, but Panarin doesn't get his bonus... And maybe his contract extension is not quite as high as Tarasenko's. I don't know...
- DMChi2010

I thought one of Panarin's best games all year was a night that Q split up 72+88. While I try not to read too much into anything Panarin says bc he speaks English at a kindergarten level, he mentioned he liked "creating on his own" not playing with Kane. If no other top 6 F talent is added, I think Q NEEDS to separate 72+88 for more than 1 scoring line. 72+15+88 was great that night and I like Toews+Kane together whenever possible. Also, all I would read into that interview that was posted a few days ago is that after next year, Artemi wants to get PAID

I thought one of Panarin's best games all year was a night that Q split up 72+88. While I try not to read too much into anything Panarin says bc he speaks English at a kindergarten level, he mentioned he liked "creating on his own" not playing with Kane. If no other top 6 F talent is added, I think Q NEEDS to separate 72+88 for more than 1 scoring line. 72+15+88 was great that night and I like Toews+Kane together whenever possible. Also, all I would read into that interview that was posted a few days ago is that after next year, Artemi wants to get PAID
- EnzoD

Panarin definitely seemed to defer too much when playing with Kane, instead of just sniping.

As much crap I give the FO, is Q even consulted on these deals? I'd assume so. Some many of the new guys, productive vets, just rot on the bench. Q is either nuts, or really hard headed. Not sure which one yet, or a little of both.
- howiehandles

I'm sure all HC's want to do it "their way" otherwise they wouldn't be heading things up! However, you'd certainly think a 3 time CUP winning coach IS consulted on possible moves ("Hey Q, might get Trevor Daley back when we move Sharp, whaddya think?").

I mean, I would be FLOORED if he was NOT consulted.

So does Q have ADD?
Split personality?:
>good Q, "Yes Stan, absolutely can use Daley to push the pace."
>bad Q, "(frank)ing Stan (to Dineen and Kitch), WTF am I gonna do with this p.o.s.?"

Plus, the guy was coming off hip surgery.
Given the problems the Hawks had nearly all season with moving the puck out of their zone, you'd think he'd be thrilled to have a guy capable of that.

I agree. Out of the rookies I saw on D this year, I liked him the best. A little raw, but with patience and a veteran partner he can become what they need.
- SteveRain

Seems Q thinks he needed speed for Game 7 vs the Blues so in comes Gus. But, and IIRC, it was the 7 footer who was the first Dman to come up from Rockford this year, not Gus. The reason IMO, and I agree, is that Sved provides certainty that Gus didn't/doesn't.

I realize the 7 footer ain't pretty but he provides certainty and predictability in a 3rd pairing. IMO this kid has the feet and stick to be a serviceable 3rd pairing guy in a hard cap world where all but 5 bucks is tied up in the "core" and I think we'll see a lot of him next year.

Panarin definitely seemed to defer too much when playing with Kane, instead of just sniping.
- howiehandles

Would like to see him play with Toews for a while. The game with Winnipeg during the year, when Panarin was not on the second line, he was flying around the ice. He is a huge threat when he is away from Kane. Would like to see Panik on the second line and Panarin on the first, but I'd be open to keeping Panarin on 2LW. With the room and linemates, he can articulate some great offensive pressure.

I am quite sure both Toews and Kane are realizing that their super high contracts are most likely going to prevent the Hawks from ever winning the cup again during their
Playing days because of the cap situation. Their is one way though that T & K can make it possible for the Hawks to get out of "Cap Hell". It is called the" KHL Payment Plan". It was used by the Detroit Red Wings ( 1997 - 2002 ) by their Russian players. The Russian top three big buck players would contribute financially to bring over a few of their comrades from Russia.

Here is what Toews and Kane could do(without management involved; take a trip to Russia ( include one of their lawyers) to meet their friend Panarin. T&K will offer the bread man a 3 million dollar loan per year on top of what Stan can offer ( 4 million max. Per year ) on a three year bridge deal if he signs. I would think Panarin would be very impressed with the offer especially with Toews and Kaner telling him Their lawyer will draw up two contracts.pp The first Loan contract is for legal reasons only( NHL rules). The second contract will supersede the first contract. This will make Panarin really happy and proud of Toews and Kane. The two boys out of their own pockets ( for the good of the team ) will each pay him 1.5 million a year(for three years) ... It's the Russian way of doing things. Remember this contract is done in total secrecy .. not even the Hawk organization will know about this deal. Panarin will also be totally quiet. If for some chance the league finds out about the contract...it's only a loan, nothing more, read the contract.

After Panarin signs Stan will look good signing Panarin for only 4 mill . Now he will move Crawford for either a top 5 pick in the draft or a quality second line defensman that can move the puck out of their end quickly. Bowman and CO. will than buy out Bickell and trade Shaw (hate do it , but) for a quality left winger to play with Toews( must be at least 25 + goal scorer). Cap issue solved and got our left winger for Toews line and got the second line defensman.....the Stanly Cup will again be won by the Hawks next year. It is not hard to win the cup when you are in dreamland... Like me!

Unfortunately, Article 11.10 of the NHL CBA does not allow for the renegotiation of contracts:
11.10 No Renegotiation. In no event shall a Club and a Player negotiate a change in any terms of a Player SPC for the then-current season or for any remaining season of an SPC. This provision shall not prohibit a Player and Club from negotiating an extension to an existing SPC in accordance with the terms of Section 50.5(f) hereof or from negotiating a new or reformed SPC or Offer Sheet in the limited context and time-frame expressly set forth in Section 11.6(a)(vi) above.

The language is pretty clear - in no event shall a contract be renegotiated. Players can, however, negotiate an extension to a deal while under contract. (11.6 deals with offer sheets for those who want to question)
- TheTrob

If this is the case, then how does the recapture rule work? Seems like a player can fight it since they can't renegotiate a contract. Boom, Bettman fails!

Panarin definitely seemed to defer too much when playing with Kane, instead of just sniping.
- howiehandles

He also attacked the net more instead of looking to pull up and give it to 88. I think it was against Winnipeg....?

He also attacked the net more instead of looking to pull up and give it to 88. I think it was against Winnipeg....?
- EnzoD

See a few posts above.

Yes, it was Winnipeg. He was possessed that game.

(frank)ing Q.

Just watched Trevor Daley push the puck/play up the ice quickly on the Caps and score. We'd still be playing if Q wasn't such as hard-headed guy unable to meld the tools (players) given by Stan into something that works.
- savvyone-1

In the past, I have not agreed with you on this point, I now believe I was wrong. Hard to believe the #5 on the team now is better than Trevor Daley.

I know Q has the second most wins and 3 rings, I still believe he F'd up this season from the beginning.

Lineup for the playoffs should have been; (edited as I would have kept Danault)

Panik - Toews - Kane
Panarin - AA - TT
Ladd - Danault - Hossa
Shaw - Krug - Garbutt/Desi

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - TVR
Daley - Rosi/Gus/Sved/Erhoff

I believe if that's the lineup on the ice, we are still playing. I've never understood Qs BS player management all year.

Letang out Daley is the number one defenseman and leads D with TOI

Epic fail by Q with his talent evaluation along with a lot of other roster decisions he made this year

(frank)ing Q.

Just watched Trevor Daley push the puck/play up the ice quickly on the Caps and score. We'd still be playing if Q wasn't such as hard-headed guy unable to meld the tools (players) given by Stan into something that works.
- savvyone-1

Q better have a short leash next year if he does the same BS with the roster they should launch him. Stan should get someone into the organization who can replace him to send Q the message

Q better have a short leash next year if he does the same BS with the roster they should launch him. Stan should get someone into the organization who can replace him to send Q the message
- molly2522

Didn't they just give him an extension though?

(frank)ing Q.

Just watched Trevor Daley push the puck/play up the ice quickly on the Caps and score. We'd still be playing if Q wasn't such as hard-headed guy unable to meld the tools (players) given by Stan into something that works.
- savvyone-1

Not gonna happen, but I kinda hope he gets fired...

Didn't they just give him an extension though?
- vabeachbear

Thats chump change to the Wirtz family

Not gonna happen, but I kinda hope he gets fired...
- DMChi2010

Id like to know how many of the core players agree with you?

Epic fail by Q with his talent evaluation along with a lot of other roster decisions he made this year
- molly2522

Not sure it's a talent evaluation issue. To me it seems like a style difference. Q doesn't play you if you don't (already?) play his game. With Daley, and Leddy, and I'm sure other people who aren't popping to mind right now, the issue wasn't that Q thought they were untalented players. It's that their skill set didn't mesh with what HE wanted to do.

Fine when you've got enough quality guys who play the coach's style, but when you don't...

That said... I do have to wonder why it was that Daley wasn't able to adjust HIS style to what was being asked of him. But I guess that's a harder thing for a player to do.

You know what this reminds me of? Jake Arietta. Ever wonder why Baltimore franked up with him and sent him to the Cubs for garbage? Because they kept trying to make him fit their pitching mold. When he came to Chicago, he was allowed to be the pitcher he was and coached to be even better. Now he's one of the most dominant pitchers in the game.

I know, I know, hockey's a different game. Whole team's got to be on the same page. That's absolutely true. I imagine that makes it harder to let guys just be themselves. Still, you've got what you got; you might as well try to maximize it.

Letang out Daley is the number one defenseman and leads D with TOI

Epic fail by Q with his talent evaluation along with a lot of other roster decisions he made this year
- molly2522

However, Daley's gap control looks a lot better with the Pens than it ever did with the Hawks...

I know the Hawks core will come back healed, rested, and probably super motivated next year. But maybe the beginning of the season doesn't go so well... Rumble, rumble... "Q has lost the room." And they start looking a lot better with a new coach. Problem solved!

At this point, Mike Sullivan looks a lot better than Q. How many players are in their lineup tonight that have less than 2 years NHL experience??? Sullivan's done something right!

Q better have a short leash next year if he does the same BS with the roster they should launch him. Stan should get someone into the organization who can replace him to send Q the message
- molly2522

It became painfully obvious it is Q who wags the dog - Stan went for broke and made moves, he paid a premium to get rid of Daley and has a penalty for next year cap wise to then get rid of Scuderi, and the debacle after the deadline that has been analyzed to death here. If I were Stan I would be livid

If the Hawks tune out Q and he loses the team, I think a change is made. If that were to happen, hope it's a staff that can bring some creativity and energy to the PP