I work with contracts, and I see contracts torn up and revised every single day. Is it so crazy in business, that Kane and Toews rewrite their contracts to $8.5 million each so they can get the players that they themselves would love to have on their flanks?
Simpleton question, but why is that so far fetched in the NHL?
- RedFeather

Like the logic, but no way would 19 or 88 do that. Players work to get that HUGE payday. 88 is a magic player, but then showed how good he can be with a consistent C next to him. Playing with 72 didnt hurt either. 19 will have a bounce back year next year. Many will I think.

I work with contracts, and I see contracts torn up and revised every single day. Is it so crazy in business, that Kane and Toews rewrite their contracts to $8.5 million each so they can get the players that they themselves would love to have on their flanks?
Simpleton question, but why is that so far fetched in the NHL?
- RedFeather

The real question is why in the world would Kane and Toews want to give up $2 million per season for another 7 years? I wouldn't leave $14 million on the table like that.

The real question is why in the world would Kane and Toews want to give up $2 million per season for another 7 years? I wouldn't leave $14 million on the table like that.
- DarthKane

Didn't a WhiteSox player do that? Just sayin.....

The real question is why in the world would Kane and Toews want to give up $2 million per season for another 7 years? I wouldn't leave $14 million on the table like that.
- DarthKane

They have three cups, they are going to be hall of famers and are faces of the league. The question comes down to how much they want to win the next 4-5 years. Do they want to win another cup or two? Or are they content with what they have? Going down to 9 Mil a year would benefit. I know that's a lot of money on the table, but the endorsements make up for that and more I would assume.

My question is, are players allowed to restructure? Or what is the rule in changing a contract as far as the NHL goes?

I would set the bar lower. Get a guy you can slot from 4-5 on D, who is really a solid two-way defenseman with some mobility (sort of Oduya 2.0), and maybe another LW you can slot in the top 9. You've improved the team.

Kempny COULD be that first guy. Right now, no one really knows outside those who've scouted him personally.
- John Jaeckel

There were some pics floating around of Kempny on his Instagram page with his shirt off and the guy is ripped. Looks Duncan Keith like. So the conditioning and strength look to be there, it's the pace adjustment that is the question mark, the World Cup will provide a glimpse against AllStar level talent what his upside may be

Parayko??
- EnzoD

Nope. Always a blues draft choice, not a free agent signing, lol.

They have three cups, they are going to be hall of famers and are faces of the league. The question comes down to how much they want to win the next 4-5 years. Do they want to win another cup or two? Or are they content with what they have? Going down to 9 Mil a year would benefit. I know that's a lot of money on the table, but the endorsements make up for that and more I would assume.

My question is, are players allowed to restructure? Or what is the rule in changing a contract as far as the NHL goes?
- nickmo2699

I highly doubt that is an option that either the league or players would consider. Those who projected the cap to rise in the summer of 2014 really shafted the Hawks bc it inflated the contracts of 19/88...

Nope. Always a blues draft choice, not a free agent signing, lol.
- Jason Millen

Didn't stay up to watch after the 1st period, but looked to be another impactful game from Troy Brouwer both on the forecheck on the scoresheet....

I work with contracts, and I see contracts torn up and revised every single day. Is it so crazy in business, that Kane and Toews rewrite their contracts to $8.5 million each so they can get the players that they themselves would love to have on their flanks?
Simpleton question, but why is that so far fetched in the NHL?
- RedFeather

CBA?

Their contracts are governed under a bigger contract that covers a lot of people. The contracts that I see getting renegotiated are stand alone contracts (yes I see this a lot too).

Do you see contracts that fall under a CBA getting renegotiated a lot?

I work with contracts, and I see contracts torn up and revised every single day. Is it so crazy in business, that Kane and Toews rewrite their contracts to $8.5 million each so they can get the players that they themselves would love to have on their flanks?
Simpleton question, but why is that so far fetched in the NHL?
- RedFeather

Not allowed by the CBA

Didn't stay up to watch after the 1st period, but looked to be another impactful game from Troy Brouwer both on the forecheck on the scoresheet....
- EnzoD

https://twitter.com/shane...status/727798068301733888

His goal stunned us in a good way. Played a really strong game.

Toews and Kane are members of the union. They should be able to change personal things in their contracts without CBA jurisdiction. I am not an expert on unions, but methinks this is none of the union's business, if individuals would make that change on their own.

https://twitter.com/shane1342o/status/727798068301733888

His goal stunned us in a good way. Played a really strong game.
- Jason Millen

I don't think the Stars have a snowball's chance in Texas to win this series without Seguin. Blues are too good, too deep and too physical. Best of luck....this might be your year

They have three cups, they are going to be hall of famers and are faces of the league. The question comes down to how much they want to win the next 4-5 years. Do they want to win another cup or two? Or are they content with what they have? Going down to 9 Mil a year would benefit. I know that's a lot of money on the table, but the endorsements make up for that and more I would assume.

My question is, are players allowed to restructure? Or what is the rule in changing a contract as far as the NHL goes?
- nickmo2699

I always thought that they both should become the highest paid players in the league I just did not think they had to be by 1 mil each. I think the 1st 2 players being paid 10 mil a year would have been fine. it makes a statement but saves 1 mil for the team. Same with Seabs we gave him the A. He was already paid like a top pairing guy for 5 years. Why should a 2/3 be paid like franchise changing player till he was 39.

One thing that I hope stan has learned which I really question after kruger and Seabs contracts. 1 its Ok to tell good players that is more then we can afford and say we will probably look to trade you or just let you play out the year.
2) you should get a discount signing a year early, so much can change in a year and usually for the worse for players, injury, bad season ETC.
3) you should get a discount for front loading contracts. IE there is time value of money and that should be factored in.
4)Cap teams like the hawks should front load the contracts to the max. Bicks contract should not have been 3.5,3.5.4.5,4.5. it should have been 5.3,5.3,2.65,2.65, A) he might have done 4 X 15 then it would have been 5,5,2.5,2.5 B) how much easier would it have been to trade him last year only owing him 2.65 for 2 years instead of 4.5 for 2 years. Teams trying to hit the floor love players like that.

If stan followed all the above we actually would be in good shape.

Will Q allow Gus, Sveds and now Forsling to work through growing pains next year????? And is Pokke ready for NHL playing time? Saying this with the thought of no major trades are made this summer.
- z1990z

Q doesn't like growing pains it seems like. Seems like the exception was TVR in the recent past.

Toews and Kane are members of the union. They should be able to change personal things in their contracts without CBA jurisdiction. I am not an expert on unions, but methinks this is none of the union's business, if individuals would make that change on their own.
- RedFeather

Unfortunately, Article 11.10 of the NHL CBA does not allow for the renegotiation of contracts:
11.10 No Renegotiation. In no event shall a Club and a Player negotiate a change in any terms of a Player SPC for the then-current season or for any remaining season of an SPC. This provision shall not prohibit a Player and Club from negotiating an extension to an existing SPC in accordance with the terms of Section 50.5(f) hereof or from negotiating a new or reformed SPC or Offer Sheet in the limited context and time-frame expressly set forth in Section 11.6(a)(vi) above.

The language is pretty clear - in no event shall a contract be renegotiated. Players can, however, negotiate an extension to a deal while under contract. (11.6 deals with offer sheets for those who want to question)

Toews and Kane are members of the union. They should be able to change personal things in their contracts without CBA jurisdiction. I am not an expert on unions, but methinks this is none of the union's business, if individuals would make that change on their own.
- RedFeather

If they do that, the rest of the union will freak the "eff" out. Players in this union play for all the other players in the union. It's a limited membership union so if one or two players do this, it has a greater impact on the rest of the members.

Didn't a WhiteSox player do that? Just sayin.....
- powerenforcer

LaRoche is a crazy person. That's why he walked away from $13 M for six months of work, then tried burying the Sox and make them out to be the bad guys because KW asked that his son not be so heavily involved in everything.

Now LaRoche says the real reason he left is to rescue children from prostitution rings overseas.

If they do that, the rest of the union will freak the "eff" out. Players in this union play for all the other players in the union. It's a limited membership union so if one or two players do this, it has a greater impact on the rest of the members.
- CanOCorn

Do they deserve what they were paid? YES! Should they have taken that without fully understanding what it will do to their cup chances moving forward? NO! The fact that they combined for 1 goal in a seven game series makes the topic loom larger. But these guys have delivered as the cornerstones of the building up from squat of this franchise. Just tough right now speculating how this will play out.

LaRoche is a crazy person. That's why he walked away from $13 M for six months of work, then tried burying the Sox and make them out to be the bad guys because KW asked that his son not be so heavily involved in everything.

Now LaRoche says the real reason he left is to rescue children from prostitution rings overseas.
- Hank3Henshaw

Yeah, especially considering he's done in the MLB after hitting .200 last year.

CBA?

Their contracts are governed under a bigger contract that covers a lot of people. The contracts that I see getting renegotiated are stand alone contracts (yes I see this a lot too).

Do you see contracts that fall under a CBA getting renegotiated a lot?
- Jason Millen

If anyone wants some light reading to find the holes in the CBA here you go

http://cdn.agilitycms.com...DF/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf

540 pages of legalese......good luck.

I don't think the Stars have a snowball's chance in Texas to win this series without Seguin. Blues are too good, too deep and too physical. Best of luck....this might be your year
- EnzoD

I still think Dallas knocks them out, even though they're a very talented club.

The Blues played a very weak offensive/defensive Hawks team in the first round and barley made it out.

Dallas has a superior offense compared to the Hawks (in these playoffs) and about the same (maybe even stronger) defense then the Hawks did.

I will say, though, that the Blues have been getting a lot of bounces and luck their way. Which is what you need to win.

But I still think the Stars come out on top.

Yeah, especially considering he's done in the MLB after hitting .200 last year.
- EnzoD

He was older and could no longer produce. Plain and simple. Instead of going out like a professional, he chose to try and throw the Sox under the bus.

I still think Dallas knocks them out, even though they're a very talented club.

The Blues played a very weak offensive/defensive Hawks team in the first round and barley made it out.

Dallas has a superior offense compared to the Hawks (in these playoffs) and about the same (maybe even stronger) defense then the Hawks did.

I will say, though, that the Blues have been getting a lot of bounces and luck their way. Which is what you need to win.

But I still think the Stars come out on top.
- Hank3Henshaw

I don't really know who I'm pulling for. Part of me will always resent the Blues with a fiery passion, while part of me would like to see Nill's boys lose. Jim Nill has done a damn good job constructing that team, but he can pound sand

It comes down to the Dallas defense dealing with the physical forecheck of the Blues. Cody Eakin is a solid depth guy but the drop-off from Seguin to Eakin is substantial....

I think moving Crawford is worth it but only if it lands us a legit #4D AND allows us to resign Shaw, Panik, and Weise. Not sure how all those numbers would work out, but something like this looks like a Cup contender as long as Darling holds his own:

Panik-Toews-Kane/TT
Panarin-AA-Kane/TT
XXX-Kruger-Hossa
Desjardins-Shaw-Weise

Keith-Seabrook
Hammer-new 4D
cheap vet/Gus/Svedberg-TVR

Darling
cheap vet backup

Much better defensive depth, the core guys and TVR won't have to play nearly as many minutes, a much more solid bottom pairing, and assuming the new 4D is effective in his role we will have solved our issues on the back end. Add in the fact that i expect Keith, Hammer, and Seabs to all come back rested and looking like they've got an extra jump in their step.

Only question would be how to fill the XXX open spot on the 3rd line with Kruger and Hossa. Not gonna find another Ladd, but if you would have asked us during the first few months of this past regular season if we would be able to add Andrew Ladd somehow we would have said no way in hell. Ya never know what can happen leading up to the TDL, and maybe Stan finds a way to crunch some numbers and fills that same hole again, or maybe a guy like Schmaltz or Motte is ready to take the next step in their game. Another option would be simply sliding Shaw up to 3rd line LW and replacing him with Moose/Hartman/Baun on the 4th line with Desi and Weise.

Either way, its a very tough call, but i think if we are able to strengthen the overall roster depth to the point that the forward depth(which was looking very impressive)is relatively in tact, and the defensive depth is noticeably improved, it might just be worth moving Crawford. But ONLY if we are able to do all those things, mainly building up a Dcore that can make any goalie look good any given night.
- SimpleJack

Not sure how the numbers would work, but if Campbell or another vet can come in at what Rundblad makes or a little more it should work. Caligula has been compared to both Shaw and Marchand, so I think this is somewhat realistic (although I would find new homes for TT, 7, and 50 and do a mini rebuild if it were up to me)

Panik-Toews-Schmaltz/TT
Panarin-AA-Kane
Caggiula-Kruger-Hossa
Desjardins-Moose-Hartman

Keith-Seabrook
Hammer-Campbell
TVR-Kempny
cheap vet/Gus/Svedberg/Pokka

CC
Darling