Give it to Panarin. It's his last shot at a major individual award.

Ghost will win a Norris or 2. McDavid will run out of room for all his trophies. Or he will at least need to add a wing to one of his mansions for all the hardware he will rack up over the next 15 years.

Seriously? I don't disagree with 60 game thing, but his stats/achievements weren't extraordinary? Wow. Stupidest comment of the year award nomination for that one.
- leonkennedy

Buddy, he was barely over a PPG avg. in HALF A SEASON, very good, but not extraordinary. It's not like his PPG avg. was 1.5+ !?!?!?

The sample size is too small... And apparently the majority or experts agree.

I just looked it up, your right I thought it was better with him.

Who is your pick for the Calder?
- bryant

Panarin. The right 3 certainly got nominated but Panarin deserves it, IMO. 77 points in 80 games, top-10 in scoring; there's no arguing that and if you want to cry "Kane", then also consider that Kane obliterated his previous career numbers while playing with Panarin.

Buddy, he was barely over a PPG avg. in HALF A SEASON, very good, but not extraordinary. It's not like his PPG avg. was 1.5+ !?!?!?

The sample size is too small... And apparently the majority or experts agree.
- As_I_See_It

i dont think u have read the thread. the true "experts" disagree

Give it to Panarin. It's his last shot at a major individual award.

Ghost will win a Norris or 2. McDavid will run out of room for all his trophies. Or he will at least need to add a wing to one of his mansions for all the hardware he will rack up over the next 15 years.
- Vanoxy

Of the three (well 2 since no one is questioning McD going forward), I kind of think Ghost will prove to be the fluke.

Panarin. The right 3 certainly got nominated but Panarin deserves it, IMO. 77 points in 80 games, top-10 in scoring; there's no arguing that and if you want to cry "Kane", then also consider that Kane obliterated his previous career numbers while playing with Panarin.
- Snowblind

Bingo.

Kane destroyed his career high in points by 18 while playing with Panarin. Did McDavid have that type of impact on this linemates? No.

And what impact did McDavid have on where the Oilers finished in the standings? None.

So you would take Panarin over McDavid ?
- LittleRickyV2

If I were a GM or player and was trying to make the playoffs last season I would take Panarin with his 80gp/77pts over McDavid with 45gp/48pts.

Buddy, he was barely over a PPG avg. in HALF A SEASON, very good, but not extraordinary. It's not like his PPG avg. was 1.5+ !?!?!?

The sample size is too small... And apparently the majority or experts agree.
- As_I_See_It

This is the single thing that you are basing your assessment of him on? Like I get that Ontario and Toronto is not only considered by your egocentric group as the center of the hockey universe, but also the center of Canada, but the least you could have done is actually watch the kids play a game or two, as opposed to simply using this state to evaluate him.

This is the single thing that you are basing your assessment of him on? Like I get that Ontario and Toronto is not only considered by your egocentric group as the center of the hockey universe, but also the center of Canada, but the least you could have done is actually watch the kids play a game or two, as opposed to simply using this state to evaluate him.
- leonkennedy

really getting desperate.... bringing geography into it now... guess ghost is a lock... playing in the eastern conference.. where is eichels nomination?

This is the single thing that you are basing your assessment of him on? Like I get that Ontario and Toronto is not only considered by your egocentric group as the center of the hockey universe, but also the center of Canada, but the least you could have done is actually watch the kids play a game or two, as opposed to simply using this state to evaluate him.
- leonkennedy

I watched him plenty of times... When he was playing, and he was great... He just didn't play enough games.

I guess you missed the post stating that McDavid is from my hometown and I've been watching him for years... Long before a lot of clowns here.

This has nothing to do with Toronto, Ontario or the Leafs... Try to keep up.

really getting desperate.... bringing geography into it now... guess ghost is a lock... playing in the eastern conference.. where is eichels nomination?
- derm10

Not surprising that you read posts and have little to no comprehension of what you just read. I am talking about his evaluation of McDavid from the comment I originally replied to. I have in no way shape or form said McDavid should win the calder. Way to miss the point completely.

McDavid>Ghost>Panarin in terms of total ability. We all can agree on that.

Panarin was riding the wings of a Kane that just had a textbook career season.

Ghost singlehandedly led his team to the playoffs, along with good goaltending (Unusual thing to say about the Flyers).

McDavid is McDavid. 48 points in what, 45 games? Another thing to note is that Connor McDavid has won the rookie of the month more often than Panarin OR Ghost yet he played less games only half a season. He was the rookie of the month in October, February, March, and I think April. Someone double check this, but you get my point.

Either way, I will be highly disappointed if Panarin wins it. Ghosts deserves it more than him. For me, if Ghost or McDavid wins it, I think that the reasoning behind the decision would make sense in any aspect.

However, I actually think Ghost deserves it more than McDavid since he literally lead his team to the playoffs, a feat that is almost godlike for any rookie. Ovechkin, Crosby, Toews, and other great players never did such a thing.

Bingo.

Kane destroyed his career high in points by 18 while playing with Panarin. Did McDavid have that type of impact on this linemates? No.

And what impact did McDavid have on where the Oilers finished in the standings? None.
- As_I_See_It

I know you probably didn't look into it before making that statement but, I actually did.

http://oilersnation.com/2...vid-s-effect-on-linemates

http://oilersnation.com/2...6/4/16/mcdavid-and-eberle

McDavid turned 2nd tier talent and throw-always like Maroon into elite level scorers. If you think Kane having a great year because of Panarin is nice, then what does it mean when Nail Yakupov, Pat Maroon, and Benoit Pouliot all produce at all-star levels because of McDavid?

If I were a GM or player and was trying to make the playoffs last season I would take Panarin with his 80gp/77pts over McDavid with 45gp/48pts.
- 13sundin13

That right there is a blindsighted assessment of assets.
Might as well just cover your eyes and yell shoot!
So many factors must be considered, yet you just played Russian Roulette with what you had at hand!

This is the single thing that you are basing your assessment of him on? Like I get that Ontario and Toronto is not only considered by your egocentric group as the center of the hockey universe, but also the center of Canada, but the least you could have done is actually watch the kids play a game or two, as opposed to simply using this state to evaluate him.
- leonkennedy

oh the magic of google.... ontario and quebec are over 60% of canada's population? but if u go by bearings's i guess it would be "bear lake" see link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_of_Canada

I know you probably didn't look into it before making that statement but, I actually did.

http://oilersnation.com/2...vid-s-effect-on-linemates

http://oilersnation.com/2...6/4/16/mcdavid-and-eberle

McDavid turned 2nd tier talent and throw-always like Maroon into elite level scorers. If you think Kane having a great year because of Panarin is nice, then what does it mean when Nail Yakupov, Pat Maroon, and Benoit Pouliot all produce at all-star levels because of McDavid?
- Matt_Henderson

And yet NONE of Hall, Ebs, RNH or Yak WERE EVEN CLOSE to surpassing their career highs.

As far as Yak, Maroon and Pouliot go, again, the same size is to small.

I guess Connor Brown should have been nominated after nearly producing a point per game too.

I watched him plenty of times... When he was playing, and he was great... He just didn't play enough games.

I guess you missed the post stating that McDavid is from my hometown and I've been watching him for years... Long before a lot of clowns here.

This has nothing to do with Toronto, Ontario or the Leafs... Try to keep up.
- As_I_See_It

Oh i've kept up fine. "niether his stats or achievements were extraordinary" "he was barely over a point a game, in only half a season". Now "when he was playing he was great". Rookie of the month for the full 3 months he played in isn't extraordinary at all. Winning Feb, and March after missing 3 months straight and putting up the points he did after missing 3 months straight isn't much of an accomplishment. Try using a little context.

I know he didn't win enough games to win the Calder, but your description of what he did this year is borderline stupidity.

And yet NONE of Hall, Ebs, RNH or Yak WERE EVEN CLOSE to surpassing their career highs.
- As_I_See_It

Did you miss the part where the Flyers jumped on his back and drove his shoulder into the boards at high speed?

Panarin will be 25 years old in 4 months! Rookie? NO. McJesus only played half a season. It needs to go to the ghost! Flyers don't make the playoffs without Gostisbehere. He's rookie of the year!

Did you miss the part where the Flyers jumped on his back and drove his shoulder into the boards at high speed?
- Matt_Henderson

i saw that.... i figure it's what cost him the calder.... imagine the numbers he would have put up.... just imagine... maybe even record breaking......

Did you miss the part where the Flyers jumped on his back and drove his shoulder into the boards at high speed?
- Matt_Henderson

also saw the flyers jump on the back on ghost... right into the playoffs.

And yet NONE of Hall, Ebs, RNH or Yak WERE EVEN CLOSE to surpassing their career highs.

As far as Yak, Maroon and Pouliot go, again, the same size is to small.

I guess Connor Brown should have been nominated after nearly producing a point per game too.
- As_I_See_It

Well no poop they weren't, as you already pointed out, McDavid only played half a season. He also didn't even play with EBS until after he came back from his injury.
What were those players PPG pace when he did play with them??? Again "context". Are you aware of this concept, or just have no capacity to apply it to your thoughts?

Did you miss the part where the Flyers jumped on his back and drove his shoulder into the boards at high speed?
- Matt_Henderson

I remember clear as day watching it when it happened and saying "he's gone for 3 months."

McDavid is incredible and I look forward to watching him put the "laughter" in slaughter (especially in international tournaments) for years to come, I just don't think he played enough games to deserve the award... Even MacKenzie & Co. agree.

Despite McD's stats, he did nothing to lift Edmonton out of the basement.

I would suggest you google the word "egocentrism" as well, but the chances you having the intellectual capacity to understand its meaning is about the same as the leafs winning the cup in your lifetime....and not saying the leafs won't win the cup for a long time, just that no way you are still around when it happens.
- leonkennedy

no i get what u were trying to say... just find it amusing that anyone against the oilers is a leafs fan and from ontario....

That right there is a blindsighted assessment of assets.
Might as well just cover your eyes and yell shoot!
So many factors must be considered, yet you just played Russian Roulette with what you had at hand!
- EdmHockeyMan

Don't really think your metaphors make sense in this case...

Regardless, my point is for one season I think Panarin's 77pts in 80 games is more useful to a team that wants to win than 48 pts in 45 games. I don't think anyone would argue that Panarin is the better player, but these awards go season by season and this season McDavid wasn't the best in the rookie category. It wasn't his fault because of injury but we can't speculate on what could have happened, we can only go by actual stats and facts.