Why do you guys even bother trying to discuss anything with derp10?
- Iggysbff

I just like to make him look silly

It's not a difficult feat, but I still feel a small amount of satisfaction

There is a huge age gap though. We're not talking 6 months or a year. These guys are 4/5 years older.
- bryant

That is irrelevant to the award. The age limit was set at 25 right after Sergei Makarov won it in 1990 when he was 31.

I just like to make him look silly

It's not a difficult feat, but I still feel a small amount of satisfaction
- Ihateallofu

i only look silly to oilers fans.... thats the great part about it.... its like getting made fun of by little kids... doesn't hurt my feelings at all

That is irrelevant to the award. The age limit was set at 25 right after Sergei Makarov won it in 1990 when he was 31.
- Snowblind

Do you think they are all treated equal then?
No points docked off for age? I have a hard time believing its still not a factor.

Do you think they are all treated equal then?
No points docked off for age? I have a hard time believing its still not a factor.
- bryant

i dont think they are going to dock 29 points

i dont think they are going to dock 29 points
- derm10

Oldest player to win the Calder since 2004 is 20 years old.

All I'm saying is people aren't stupid. At the end of the day we are comparing a 18 year old rookie to 23 and 24 year old rookies.

Oldest player to win the Calder since 2004 is 20 years old.

All I'm saying is people aren't stupid. At the end of the day we are comparing a 18 year old rookie to 23 and 24 year old rookies.
- bryant

We're also comparing a player who put up 77 points with one who put up 48 points.

what if your mom had swallowed ?
- LittleRickyV2

That's $5 extra and I didn't want to waste the money.

That's $5 extra and I didn't want to waste the money.
- batjester

We're all regretting your decision now

We're also comparing a player who put up 77 points with one who put up 48 points.
- Snowblind

1 played 45 games with a 1.07 PPg avg and one had 77p in 80 games with a 0.96 PPG average.

What's your point?

Oldest player to win the Calder since 2004 is 20 years old.

All I'm saying is people aren't stupid. At the end of the day we are comparing a 18 year old rookie to 23 and 24 year old rookies.
- bryant

yes there is alot of factors to be weighed.... but lets not pretend that total points is not the biggest ( more so when comparing forward to forward)

We're all regretting your decision now
- Ihateallofu

every oilers fan says to mcT

We're all regretting your decision now
- Ihateallofu

Ain't that the truth.

1 played 45 games with a 1.07 PPg avg and one had 77p in 80 games with a 0.96 PPG average.

What's your point?
- bryant

My point is one player played a full season and the other played just over half a season. The player who played the full season deserves to win and age is irrelevant beyond being young enough to qualify, and both Panarin and Gostisbehere qualify. The only way to even argue this award going to Panarin is to willfully ignore the rules, which you and Hendo are doing.

My point is one player played a full season and the other played just over half a season. The player who played the full season deserves to win and age is irrelevant beyond being young enough to qualify, and both Panarin and Gostisbehere qualify. The only way to even argue this award going to Panarin is to willfully ignore the rules, which you and Hendo are doing.
- Snowblind

In all honesty I don't give a poop who wins, I'm a leafs fan. I'm just saying that age has to be a factor. I don't care that one guy had a weird play and ended up injured for 4 months. He had a huge influence on his team and the oilers went to poop as soon as he got injured. They were out of the playoffs by a quite a bit when he returned. I would say he a pretty good impact for his team.

Also note that Panarin had 39 points in his first 45 games. Playing with the Stanley cup champs.

In all honesty I don't give a poop who wins, I'm a leafs fan. I'm just saying that age has to be a factor. I don't care that one guy had a weird play and ended up injured for 4 months. He had a huge influence on his team and the oilers went to poop as soon as he got injured. They were out of the playoffs by a quite a bit when he returned. I would say he a pretty good impact for his team.

Also note that Panarin had 39 points in his first 45 games. Playing with the Stanley cup champs.
- bryant

they came 29th in the league?

In all honesty I don't give a poop who wins, I'm a leafs fan. I'm just saying that age has to be a factor. I don't care that one guy had a weird play and ended up injured for 4 months. He had a huge influence on his team and the oilers went to poop as soon as he got injured. They were out of the playoffs by a quite a bit when he returned. I would say he a pretty good impact for his team.

Also note that Panarin had 39 points in his first 45 games. Playing with the Stanley cup champs.
- bryant

The Oilers' record with him and without him really wasn't much different, so that angle really doesn't help McD's cause (not that it matters anyway since this isn't the Hart trophy).

I would vote for ghost. Panarin was phenomenal but he has been a "pro" for awhile, also playing on Kane's line helps. McDavid would have won if he played the full season, but he didn't. Ghost logged top 2 minutes and played in just about every situation while carrying his squad to the playoffs, an amazing feat for a rookie defenseman. That being said, it's easy to make an argument for all three, depending on your shade of glasses.

The Oilers' record with him and without him really wasn't much different, so that angle really doesn't help McD's cause (not that it matters anyway since this isn't the Hart trophy).
- Snowblind

I just looked it up, your right I thought it was better with him.

Who is your pick for the Calder?

I actually agree with this.
- batjester

(frank) Off!!!

I just looked it up, your right I thought I was better with him.

Who is your pick for the Calder?
- bryant

much easier to compare mcdavid to panarin ... but i'd give it to ghost....

Sorry guys, even if half of what is said is true (as per MacKenzie), McDavid won't be winning the Calder. Playing 60 games appears to be the criteria/benchmark for 3/4 of the respondants and McDavid wasn't even close nor were his stats/achievements extraordinary.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...awards-questions-1.466001

"There has been only one occasion when a skater with less than 60 games won a major individual honour. That was Orr in 1967-68, when in his second NHL season he won his first Norris Trophy as top defenceman on the strength of 46 games played in a 74-game regular season"

"Sixteen of 21 respondents answered no, a skater should not be getting a major individual honour for less than 60 games played."

"But generally speaking, the prevailing view was they would be hard pressed to vote for a Calder winner with less than 60 games unless there was some extraordinary circumstance."

"Safe to conclude the majority of panel thinks the games played total matters."

"10 of the 16 skaters who were named rookie of the year played in all 82 games in their freshman season. "

"he most number of games a rookie winner missed in any Calder year since the advent of the 82-game season in 1996 is four. Evgeny Malkin played in 78 of 82 in 2006-07"

i only look silly to oilers fans.... thats the great part about it.... its like getting made fun of by little kids... doesn't hurt my feelings at all
- derm10

No you look like a retard no matter what thread you go in. You have a very low level of intelligence about the sport and an equally bad level of trolling capability.

Sorry guys, even if half of what is said is true (as per MacKenzie), McDavid won't be winning the Calder. Playing 60 games appears to be the criteria/benchmark for 3/4 of the respondants and McDavid wasn't even close nor were his stats/achievements extraordinary.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...awards-questions-1.466001

"There has been only one occasion when a skater with less than 60 games won a major individual honour. That was Orr in 1967-68, when in his second NHL season he won his first Norris Trophy as top defenceman on the strength of 46 games played in a 74-game regular season"

"Sixteen of 21 respondents answered no, a skater should not be getting a major individual honour for less than 60 games played."

"But generally speaking, the prevailing view was they would be hard pressed to vote for a Calder winner with less than 60 games unless there was some extraordinary circumstance."

"Safe to conclude the majority of panel thinks the games played total matters."

"10 of the 16 skaters who were named rookie of the year played in all 82 games in their freshman season. "

"he most number of games a rookie winner missed in any Calder year since the advent of the 82-game season in 1996 is four. Evgeny Malkin played in 78 of 82 in 2006-07"
- As_I_See_It

Seriously? I don't disagree with 60 game thing, but his stats/achievements weren't extraordinary? Wow. Stupidest comment of the year award nomination for that one.

Definitely a lot of good rookies this year. You can never really get a "true" apples to apples gauge between two players, because you have to take into account the rest of the team they are playing on. The Oilers were 29th in the league this year. When he played, McDavid was an absolute beast offensively (from what I saw in the highlights). you also have admit that Panarin was crazy good as well. Does McD have as good of a season playing for AZ or NJ? Does Panarin score more or less goals if he is not on a line with Kane all year?

I tend to agree that Panarin being in the kHL for years should preclude him, but it's not my call. End of the day I would lean toward McD, but it is a close call.