well then i'd have to hope having a 9M cap hit for an on the job coach is better than using that cap space elsewhere i guess
- daeth

Yea. Elsewhere and on who?

If you think Stamkos will be a waste of cap space then you'll never be happy with who they spend on. Unless you think they'll get Jamie Benn and Drew Doughty for a combined 7 million total.

It's one thing to have cap space it's another thing to spend it wisely. Saving cap space to avoid Stamkos doesn't mean you're going to spend that cap space any more wisely.

hossa is on a cap circumventing contract, huge difference.

get stamkos in at $5M per and not a single person would say no
- daeth

Whatever. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. The point wasn't the cap hit. The point is the commitment and the star type of player.

Exactly, look at the move the Rangers did picking up Eric Staal. 20 games 6 points and nothing in the playoffs.. Take your chances.

Mornin fellas.
- bixll

Problem is everyone saw that coming. It's not unexpected.

Lots of moves to look at. What about the Hawks grabbing Hossa when they did?
- systemtool

Absolutely. There is going to be 100 " Armchair GM's" in here over the next 4 months.
Telling everybody what the Leafs should and should not do. It should be an awesome summer.

This is the best I have ever felt about being a Leafs fan.

Yea. Elsewhere and on who?

If you think Stamkos will be a waste of cap space then you'll never be happy with who they spend on. Unless you think they'll get Jamie Benn and Drew Doughty for a combined 7 million total.

It's one thing to have cap space it's another thing to spend it wisely. Saving cap space to avoid Stamkos doesn't mean you're going to spend that cap space any more wisely.
- systemtool

if the leafs get 2010-2013 stamkos i'm all-in. i don't know why is production is down or if it'll get worse though. maybe he'll be great again, it's possible. you're banking on him returning to form if you sign him for 7 years since he hasn't earned $10M+ with his play the last couple years.

Problem is everyone saw that coming. It's not unexpected.
- burn

He didn't help the team after he got there is my point.

Absolutely. There is going to be 100 " Armchair GM's" in here over the next 4 months.
Telling everybody what the Leafs should and should not do. It should be an awesome summer.

This is the best I have ever felt about being a Leafs fan.
- bixll

Me too. Maybe not ever but definitely the last 10-12 years.

Whatever. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. The point wasn't the cap hit. The point is the commitment and the star type of player.
- systemtool

cap hit is a huge factor in a cap league lol

if the leafs get 2010-2013 stamkos i'm all-in. i don't know why is production is down or if it'll get worse though. maybe he'll be great again, it's possible. you're banking on him returning to form if you sign him for 7 years since he hasn't earned $10M+ with his play the last couple years.
- daeth

Okay. I think you're wrong and disagree but see no point in carrying in with this. I'll take one Stamkos. You can have Clarkson and Komi. You win. You get two guys and save a little cap space. My point isn't that Stamkos will be great bUT I'd rather gamble on him than gamble on b list talents overpaid during free agency. But yea I'm done debating this.

Me too. Maybe not ever but definitely the last 10-12 years.
- systemtool

Well since the Wendel days when they had the run.

cap hit is a huge factor in a cap league lol
- daeth

Lightning are up against the cap now, and Stammer is only listed as a 5.5 milly cap hit. They have issues.

cap hit is a huge factor in a cap league lol
- daeth

Oh

Okay. I think you're wrong and disagree but see no point in carrying in with this. I'll take one Stamkos. You can have Clarkson and Komi. You win. You get two guys and save a little cap space. But yea I'm done debating this.
- systemtool

I'm the one that doesn't want to overpay players. Why would I want the Leafs to have Komi and Clarkson contracts?

I'm the one that doesn't want to overpay players. Why would I want the Leafs to have Komi and Clarkson contracts?
- daeth

K

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- systemtool

You're being a baby about this.

He didn't help the team after he got there is my point.
- bixll

That's what I'm saying, everyone knew that that was going to happen.

You're being a baby about this.
- daeth

No. I'm just done repeating the same point just so you can have someone to argue and disagree with.

Okay. I think you're wrong and disagree but see no point in carrying in with this. I'll take one Stamkos. You can have Clarkson and Komi. You win. You get two guys and save a little cap space. My point isn't that Stamkos will be great bUT I'd rather gamble on him than gamble on b list talents overpaid during free agency. But yea I'm done debating this.
- systemtool

People talking about signing lucic for 6-7yrs at 6+mil. Yeeesh

That's what I'm saying, everyone knew that that was going to happen.
- burn

Don't think Glen Sather did.

People talking about signing lucic for 6-7yrs at 6+mil. Yeeesh
- burn

All salaries these days are (frank)ed. Subban is making 9+.

But he's high end talent and it comes with a price.

if the leafs get 2010-2013 stamkos i'm all-in. i don't know why is production is down or if it'll get worse though. maybe he'll be great again, it's possible. you're banking on him returning to form if you sign him for 7 years since he hasn't earned $10M+ with his play the last couple years.
- daeth

If he gets 10+ it will be because at least one other GM besides the Leafs GM is willing to offer him that.

That doesn't necessarily make it a valuable contract, but it does mean that is the market.

Also he is what 26? The contract ends when he is 33. These days it seems that every player who is over 25 is considered old. He will still be productive at 33.

It also looks like we will be smarter with $ going forward and still have some money coming off the books in the next couple years ... Bernier, Lupul, Bozak and whatever buyouts we are still paying, and potential stars like Nylander, and Matthews will not be due for big paydays for a while.

I am leery of spending 10 million on him also, but it doesn't seem likely that that contract cripples the Leafs cap-wise. Other teams, even cup-contending teams have had cap issues they have dealt with.

No. I'm just done repeating the same point just so you can have someone to argue and disagree with.
- systemtool

I don't even think people are necessarily wrong in wanting him. If he regains form and becomes a top 2 scorer again he's easily worth whatever he gets. He has a decent chance of returning to that level again considering he's 25 or so.

The team may look at how he's played the last couple seasons and conclude the risk of signing him to a huge contract is too high though. I'm simply bringing up that possibility.

Both viewpoints are worth discussing. Well, not according to you I guess.

I don't even think people are necessarily wrong in wanting him. If he regains form and becomes a top 2 scorer again he's easily worth whatever he gets. He has a decent chance of returning to that level again considering he's 25 or so.

The team may look at how he's played the last couple seasons and conclude the risk of signing him to a huge contract is too high though. I'm simply bringing up that possibility.

Both viewpoints are worth discussing. Well, not according to you I guess.
- daeth

We discussed it. Then we just kept repeating the same thing. I don't see how that's productive. I'm not going to change my mind, not over the merits of your end of the debate anyways, so what's the point?

I don't even think people are necessarily wrong in wanting him. If he regains form and becomes a top 2 scorer again he's easily worth whatever he gets. He has a decent chance of returning to that level again considering he's 25 or so.

The team may look at how he's played the last couple seasons and conclude the risk of signing him to a huge contract is too high though. I'm simply bringing up that possibility.

Both viewpoints are worth discussing. Well, not according to you I guess.
- daeth

Is he not the same age as Kadri. The one we have been waiting to start to perform like a star.

If he gets 10+ it will be because at least one other GM besides the Leafs GM is willing to offer him that.

That doesn't necessarily make it a valuable contract, but it does mean that is the market.

Also he is what 26? The contract ends when he is 33. These days it seems that every player who is over 25 is considered old. He will still be productive at 33.

It also looks like we will be smarter with $ going forward and still have some money coming off the books in the next couple years ... Bernier, Lupul, Bozak and whatever buyouts we are still paying, and potential stars like Nylander, and Matthews will not be due for big paydays for a while.

I am leery of spending 10 million on him also, but it doesn't seem likely that that contract cripples the Leafs cap-wise. Other teams, even cup-contending teams have had cap issues they have dealt with.
- Aetherial

Last season he had the 2nd most goals in the NHL. Not sure why people think he has totally fallen off the map and isn't a top player still.