Great so another ~.500 season and no playoffs???
- aightwebang17

The Golden Standard

meanwhile...from the "News that you thought happened 4 months ago" category

Leafs signed Zaitsev to a 1 year deal

The Flyers could have also had more cap space, which means they could have taken back money in some deal as well. Or maybe they could have signed another reclamation project like MDZ or a European/college FA or taken back salary to buy a draft pick.

Your argument is basically that saving one of those 3 salary retentions for future deals would have been too important to part with.
- PhillySportsGuy

I am only speaking on what happened.

Hartnell was traded for Umberger without keeping salary.

That allwaed the to keep salary to move Grossmann, Lecavalier and Schenn.

That allowed to get a couple picks and and player on last year of deal and free up some cap.

Which has now allowed them to have even more cap and possibly buy out Umberger to create more.

Those are the ripples I see from the trade.

you think winning one playoff series is more important than multiple years being a cup contender. thats the problem. you're only thinking of the now. the whole organization is thinking of the future, why cant you?
- sjk540

I'm well aware of the Flyers intentions. You don't have to shoot yourself in the foot just to succeed in the future. You can have your cake and eat it too.....

The two statements below taken from an article at the trade deadline this year:

"If we can bolster ourselves for the future and not lose much (now)," Hextall said, "we'd certainly look at it."

"The Philadelphia Flyers may have had an offer on the table for Radko Gudas for a couple of second-round picks," TSN's Bob McKenzie said on Toronto 1050 on Monday.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...ng-add-nhl-trade-deadline

I think it's pretty clear that the Flyers intentions are to get better while still competing. They came within 6 games of the President's Winners, and were very alive in that series. I think Hartnell could have made a big difference in that series. I clearly don't think winning one series takes precedence over the future plans, but I don't think keeping Hartnell would've been at the expense of the future. That simple.

meanwhile...from the "News that you thought happened 4 months ago" category

Leafs signed Zaitsev to a 1 year deal
- YuenglingJagr

Wouldnt it be great if he became known as a sniper?

Not trying to speak for him...but it seems like some hyperbole.

the reality is that the trade doesnt get made without including that 2017 1st rounder...so you dont make the trade because you are worried about what the 2017 first rounder ends up being?

most likely it is a middle of the pack pick again and you still are left without a QB....they assessed that they could trade up. they accepted the price (I think it is pretty fair alll things considered), and made the move and now we will see what happens. doing nothing carries just as much risk in my opinion

i agree with him...whats done is done and what pick the 2017 1st ends up being has no bearing on whether or not this was a good/bad trade
- YuenglingJagr

i completely understand that, i wasn't even trying to make a point. simply stating that it sucks the draft is next year in philly and we wont even have a top pick, and if we suck enough it would be a top pick. not saying anything specifically about the trade, just a half-vent type of comment.

i completely understand that, i wasn't even trying to make a point. simply stating that it sucks the draft is next year in philly and we wont even have a top pick, and if we suck enough it would be a top pick. not saying anything specifically about the trade, just a half-vent type of comment.
- sjk540

Also next year it looks like it will cost more to get to the top of the draft compared ot this year.

Top 2 QB's will probably be Watson and Kaaya.

So is Jon Snow's wolf dead? That's all I care about. I stopped watching after season 3.
- mayorofangrytown

Jon Snow banged Jaime Lannister while playing the tambourine.

Bronn won the Iron Throne is a game of Texas Hold Em.

Carly Fiorina fell off the stage.
- PLindbergh31

that's god's way of showing the tea party is a disgrace

Jon Snow banged Jaime Lannister while playing the tambourine.
- jmatchett383

Jon Starkgaryan will kick off the bastard bowl to confirm clegane bowl

I'm well aware of the Flyers intentions. You don't have to shoot yourself in the foot just to succeed in the future. You can have your cake and eat it too.....

The two statements below taken from an article at the trade deadline this year:





http://www.csnphilly.com/...ng-add-nhl-trade-deadline

I think it's pretty clear that the Flyers intentions are to get better while still competing. They came within 6 games of the President's Winners, and were very alive in that series. I think Hartnell could have made a big difference in that series. I clearly don't think winning one series takes precedence over the future plans, but I don't think keeping Hartnell would've been at the expense of the future. That simple.
- steelydan

Hartnell absolutely would have affected the future though, Hexy also thought he did too, which is why he traded him. Hartnell doesnt allow a lot of things to happen that we've done, specifically to get better for the future. cousins and/or laughton probably dont get as much PT if they are even on the team and not in the minors, maybe we win a few more games last year and miss out on provorov, maybe Schenns learning curve is extended by a season because Hartnell would eat up minutes he would've gotten, it would be extremely hard to sign Gudas, Schenn, Manning, White with other extensions kicking it and having to bear Hartnell's contract still.

What I'm saying is, Hartnells departure did nothing for our Stanley Cup Chances, isn't that what this is all about, winning the cup? why delay your plan by a few seasons just for a few more goals and wins now. what does that really do for you, maybe a game 7 vs the caps? yea that would be fun, but it doesnt matter the least bit.

that's god's way of showing the tea party is a disgrace
- 2Real

Funniest part of that video was when she introduced him as the next President of the United States. The fall was just icing.

not sure if we understand each other. the 2017 pick that was traded to cleveland will be clevelands, thats true. However, if the eagles are the worst team in the league next year, hypothetically, the browns will have the number overall pick in the draft. i would expect the eagles to be close to a 6-10, 7-9 team, but on the chance that we are a 4-12 team, we would have just given up a top 5 pick most likely is what im saying.

i dont understand your thoughts in saying hypothetically it could end up being the last pick in the first round. do you suggest that, hypothetically, this team can win a super bowl? i know what hypothetical means, technically you can say anything hypothetically, but really?
- sjk540

Yes, they could (hypothetically) win the Super Bowl. Odds are they won't.

It will likely be a top-12 pick. But it doesn't matter at this point, because they were willing to sacrifice it for a player that they feel can lead them to a Super Bowl. Whether or not that happens, and whether or not that pick is #1, #30, or anywhere in between, doesn't matter. You have to view the trade at the time it was made, not with revisionist history as an aid.

I am only speaking on what happened.

Hartnell was traded for Umberger without keeping salary.

That allwaed the to keep salary to move Grossmann, Lecavalier and Schenn.

That allowed to get a couple picks and and player on last year of deal and free up some cap.

Which has now allowed them to have even more cap and possibly buy out Umberger to create more.

Those are the ripples I see from the trade.
- J35Bacher

You really think that 500k retained on Grossmann was the kicker?

Not trying to speak for him...but it seems like some hyperbole.

the reality is that the trade doesnt get made without including that 2017 1st rounder...so you dont make the trade because you are worried about what the 2017 first rounder ends up being?

most likely it is a middle of the pack pick again and you still are left without a QB....they assessed that they could trade up. they accepted the price (I think it is pretty fair alll things considered), and made the move and now we will see what happens. doing nothing carries just as much risk in my opinion

i agree with him...whats done is done and what pick the 2017 1st ends up being has no bearing on whether or not this was a good/bad trade
- YuenglingJagr

Yes, this, especially the bolded parts, is what I was saying.

Funniest part of that video was when she introduced him as the next President of the United States. The fall was just icing.
- Mononoke

Carly fell like Cruz in the polls.

You really think that 500k retained on Grossmann was the kicker?
- YuenglingJagr

The 500k was the actual money still owed for the year on Prongers deal.


They got a conditional 4th that could be a 3rd in 2017. Could that have changed things to a conditional 5th.

It obviously helped get the deal done.

Funniest part of that video was when she introduced him as the next President of the United States. The fall was just icing.
- Mononoke

Funniest part was politics. They're all crooks who care about nothing but their paychecks, retirement plans, and mistresses. Vote for whoever you want, all you'll get is a different means to the same end.

Hartnell absolutely would have affected the future though, Hexy also thought he did too, which is why he traded him. Hartnell doesnt allow a lot of things to happen that we've done, specifically to get better for the future. cousins and/or laughton probably dont get as much PT if they are even on the team and not in the minors, maybe we win a few more games last year and miss out on provorov, maybe Schenns learning curve is extended by a season because Hartnell would eat up minutes he would've gotten, it would be extremely hard to sign Gudas, Schenn, Manning, White with other extensions kicking it and having to bear Hartnell's contract still.

What I'm saying is, Hartnells departure did nothing for our Stanley Cup Chances, isn't that what this is all about, winning the cup? why delay your plan by a few seasons just for a few more goals and wins now. what does that really do for you, maybe a game 7 vs the caps? yea that would be fun, but it doesnt matter the least bit.
- sjk540

Still not sure why Hartnell couldn't be part of the now and the future. People in here are clamoring for some goal scoring because of that lackluster playoff performance. And what name are we hearing? Lucic? Great, let's saddle ourselves with a monstrosity of a contract with Lucic when Hartnell could offer a very similar skill-set at smaller hit and less years.

Young players are going to find playing time if there's room. If there's no room, then they continue to marinate while the team wins. If Cousins or Laughton needed to come up, someone would've found their way off the team (Read, White, VV, etc.). Stop making it seem like a 50-60 point power forward is such a hindrance to the development of younger players. There are 15 other spots in that lineup for a player to make their way in.

The 500k was the actual money still owed for the year on Prongers deal.


They got a conditional 4th that could be a 3rd in 2017. Could that have changed things to a conditional 5th.

It obviously helped get the deal done.
- J35Bacher

It helped, but it wasn't a show stopper.

Carly fell like Cruz in the polls.
- 2Real

#alllivesmatter

The 500k was the actual money still owed for the year on Prongers deal.


They got a conditional 4th that could be a 3rd in 2017. Could that have changed things to a conditional 5th.

It obviously helped get the deal done.
- J35Bacher

I know what the 500k is for, but it is not going to stop a deal like that. The coyotes saved a lot more than 500k in that deal. And the "condition" is that the coyotes dont have a 4th rounder currently. If they get one it is for a 4th.

#alllivesmatter
- MBFlyerfan

Rangers fans?

Rangers fans?
- Mononoke

I meant human lives.

Funniest part was politics. They're all crooks who care about nothing but their paychecks, retirement plans, and mistresses. Vote for whoever you want, all you'll get is a different means to the same end.
- jmatchett383

and giving poor people things they want in order to keep them in office