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Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

May 2 @ 11:56 AM ET
Thats pitiful if true considering he has powerade, sportchek and nike
- Bigzby

saw another site more credible and realistic...1.7 mil

which is third in the NHL...he's behind Ovi and Sid.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 2 @ 11:56 AM ET
Did you ignore the entire second part of my post where I inquire about workarounds and, if not, then make up the difference in the offer?

Clearly not.

Please re-read and try again, thanks

- WingmanWillie

I have no idea if it is legal, but it is a slippery slope to do. Players would ask for that in every contract with Toronto.
Bigzby
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Inside Candymouth, NV
Joined: 07.06.2011

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
There are no work-arounds.

The CBA clearly lays out that "circumvention" is a no-no.

- Atomic Wedgie


What industry do you work in IRL?

Circumvention is every where in every way.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
He can get that without playing in Toronto. Toronto will need to offer over $10 million
- Leafsandbolts


Right now in TB, I believe, he is getting under 2mill.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
I have no idea if it is legal, but it is a slippery slope to do. Players would ask for that in every contract with Toronto.
- ImThatGuy

It's not legal.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
There are no work-arounds.

The CBA clearly lays out that "circumvention" is a no-no.

- Atomic Wedgie


the "work-around" could be the Leafs owning Rogers and Bell...instant $ in the pocket if he is part of their "face of the company" so to say...that's the only work around I can think of
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

May 2 @ 11:57 AM ET
Right now in TB, I believe, he is getting under 2mill.
- Cooshie

yeah ive read on a few sites now that 1.7 mil is quite accurate
Venom.
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.20.2015

May 2 @ 11:58 AM ET
It's not legal.
- Atomic Wedgie


You're wrong.

matt1337
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 925K. Talented player. (Lehtonen) Santo_44, ON
Joined: 09.28.2010

May 2 @ 12:00 PM ET
yeah ive read on a few sites now that 1.7 mil is quite accurate
- Lucas.Neilson


sounds a lot more reasonable, but if he comes to toronto, he could be making more than crosby in endorsements
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

May 2 @ 12:01 PM ET
I walked underneath this billboard every work day for over a year
- 1979AD



Well it should be gone now. On the bright side... I used to like my Citizen watch....
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 12:02 PM ET
the "work-around" could be the Leafs owning Rogers and Bell...instant $ in the pocket if he is part of their "face of the company" so to say...that's the only work around I can think of
- Lucas.Neilson

Nope.

From the CBA:

No Club or Club Actor may provide, directly or indirectly, any Player or Player
Actor, with anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and
Bonuses set forth in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and
Government Mandates/Other Programs, as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly
permitted by this Agreement. A Player or Player Actor may not receive, directly or indirectly,
anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and Bonuses set forth
in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and Government
Mandates/Other Programs as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly permitted by
this Agreement. Notwithstanding the fact that a Player must disgorge anything of value he may
have received in violation of the prior sentence, a Player shall not be guilty of a Circumvention
in the absence of knowledge that the entity from which he received something of value, was a
Club Actor. No Club or Club Actor or Player or Player Actor may engage in any conduct that is
intended to pay or provide, or has the effect of, paying or providing to a Player, anything of
value other than that which the Player may properly receive through his SPC, and his share of
Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise expressly permitted by this
Agreement. For example, a Player is prohibited from entering into an agreement with a
broadcasting company that is a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player agrees to host a
weekly television show, for which he is to be compensated the fair market value of such services,
as this would be something of value other than which the Player may properly receive through
his SPC, or his share of Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise
expressly permitted by this Agreement.

And:

However, nothing in this Section 26.3(e) is intended to prohibit a Player
from entering into a sponsorship, endorsement or other commercial
arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does
business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player
receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is
commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of
the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity.
With respect to any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a
Player and a national sponsor, any thing of value provided to a Player
under such arrangement shall be presumptively acceptable (i.e., such thing
of value need not meet the "fair market value" test set forth in the
preceding sentence), provided that such arrangement was not made at the
behest of the Player's Club or any other Club Actor. However, the NHL
shall have the right to challenge before the System Arbitrator, through an
expedited arbitration proceeding pursuant to the third sentence of Section
26.13(a) below, the bona fides of any such national sponsorship or
endorsement arrangement on the grounds that it was actually provided for
the benefit of a particular Club.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
sounds a lot more reasonable, but if he comes to toronto, he could be making more than crosby in endorsements
- matt1337

if redbull is paying dion 100k a year to wear his hat in interviews I think stammer wont have any problems making 4-5 mil a year with some bigger names...while still keeping sportchek, powerade, etc
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
It's not legal.
- Atomic Wedgie


My legal circumvention would be on Jul 1 Call Stamkos agent and layout this.

We sign you to a 1 year $13MM deal
$11MM signing bonus up front $2MM salary

Then first day of the season we sign "An extension" for 7year $71MM


You now have a player signed for 8 years when CBA says max length is 7 year contract for any UFA.
Cooshie
Joined: 01.09.2013

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Does anyone know what the tax savings amounts to for Stamkos if he signs in TB for 8.5mill vs. signing in Toronto for 8.5mill?
Delryk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 2 @ 12:03 PM ET
Thank God we are taking Matthews. Nylander's prettiness in comparison to how butt(frank) ugly Laine is would be too much for the city to handle.

At least Matthews is an ordinary looking guy. Laine looks like he fell out of an ugly tree and hit some branches on the way down... with his face

- WingmanWillie


Beauty & the Beast
Nylie & the Matthews

Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

May 2 @ 12:04 PM ET
Nope.

From the CBA:

No Club or Club Actor may provide, directly or indirectly, any Player or Player
Actor, with anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and
Bonuses set forth in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and
Government Mandates/Other Programs, as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly
permitted by this Agreement. A Player or Player Actor may not receive, directly or indirectly,
anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and Bonuses set forth
in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and Government
Mandates/Other Programs as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly permitted by
this Agreement. Notwithstanding the fact that a Player must disgorge anything of value he may
have received in violation of the prior sentence, a Player shall not be guilty of a Circumvention
in the absence of knowledge that the entity from which he received something of value, was a
Club Actor. No Club or Club Actor or Player or Player Actor may engage in any conduct that is
intended to pay or provide, or has the effect of, paying or providing to a Player, anything of
value other than that which the Player may properly receive through his SPC, and his share of
Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise expressly permitted by this
Agreement. For example, a Player is prohibited from entering into an agreement with a
broadcasting company that is a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player agrees to host a
weekly television show, for which he is to be compensated the fair market value of such services,
as this would be something of value other than which the Player may properly receive through
his SPC, or his share of Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise
expressly permitted by this Agreement.

And:

However, nothing in this Section 26.3(e) is intended to prohibit a Player
from entering into a sponsorship, endorsement or other commercial
arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does
business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player
receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is
commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of
the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity.
With respect to any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a
Player and a national sponsor, any thing of value provided to a Player
under such arrangement shall be presumptively acceptable (i.e., such thing
of value need not meet the "fair market value" test set forth in the
preceding sentence), provided that such arrangement was not made at the
behest of the Player's Club or any other Club Actor. However, the NHL
shall have the right to challenge before the System Arbitrator, through an
expedited arbitration proceeding pursuant to the third sentence of Section
26.13(a) below, the bona fides of any such national sponsorship or
endorsement arrangement on the grounds that it was actually provided for
the benefit of a particular Club.

- Atomic Wedgie

have faith in lou lams and his lou'pholes
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 12:05 PM ET
My legal circumvention would be on Jul 1 Call Stamkos agent and layout this.

We sign you to a 1 year $13MM deal
$11MM signing bonus up front $2MM salary

Then first day of the season we sign "An extension" for 7year $71MM


You now have a player signed for 8 years when CBA says max length is 7 year contract for any UFA.

- ImThatGuy

I actually suggested this very tactic a few months back, and somebody pointed out that it isn't legal.

I can't recall the particulars, but it was something about he wouldn't be able to sign another contract until January or some poop like that.

Agent would never allow him to take that risk.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 2 @ 12:06 PM ET
I actually suggested this very tactic a few months back, and somebody pointed out that it isn't legal.

I can't recall the particulars, but it was something about he wouldn't be able to sign another contract until January or some poop like that.

Agent would never allow him to take that risk.

- Atomic Wedgie

touche
WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone
Joined: 04.17.2015

May 2 @ 12:06 PM ET
There are no work-arounds.

The CBA clearly lays out that "circumvention" is a no-no.

- Atomic Wedgie


Cap circumvention, sure. But when one province has higher taxes than the rest, is that expressly written into the CBA that you can't offer to pay the difference?
WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone
Joined: 04.17.2015

May 2 @ 12:08 PM ET
Nope.

From the CBA:

No Club or Club Actor may provide, directly or indirectly, any Player or Player
Actor, with anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and
Bonuses set forth in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and
Government Mandates/Other Programs, as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly
permitted by this Agreement. A Player or Player Actor may not receive, directly or indirectly,
anything of value from a Club or Club Actor other than his Player Salary and Bonuses set forth
in, and in accordance with the terms of, his SPC, and his share of Benefits and Government
Mandates/Other Programs as set forth in this Agreement or as otherwise expressly permitted by
this Agreement. Notwithstanding the fact that a Player must disgorge anything of value he may
have received in violation of the prior sentence, a Player shall not be guilty of a Circumvention
in the absence of knowledge that the entity from which he received something of value, was a
Club Actor. No Club or Club Actor or Player or Player Actor may engage in any conduct that is
intended to pay or provide, or has the effect of, paying or providing to a Player, anything of
value other than that which the Player may properly receive through his SPC, and his share of
Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise expressly permitted by this
Agreement. For example, a Player is prohibited from entering into an agreement with a
broadcasting company that is a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player agrees to host a
weekly television show, for which he is to be compensated the fair market value of such services,
as this would be something of value other than which the Player may properly receive through
his SPC, or his share of Benefits and Government Mandates/Other Programs, or as otherwise
expressly permitted by this Agreement.

And:

However, nothing in this Section 26.3(e) is intended to prohibit a Player
from entering into a sponsorship, endorsement or other commercial
arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does
business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player
receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is
commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of
the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity.
With respect to any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a
Player and a national sponsor, any thing of value provided to a Player
under such arrangement shall be presumptively acceptable (i.e., such thing
of value need not meet the "fair market value" test set forth in the
preceding sentence), provided that such arrangement was not made at the
behest of the Player's Club or any other Club Actor. However, the NHL
shall have the right to challenge before the System Arbitrator, through an
expedited arbitration proceeding pursuant to the third sentence of Section
26.13(a) below, the bona fides of any such national sponsorship or
endorsement arrangement on the grounds that it was actually provided for
the benefit of a particular Club.

- Atomic Wedgie



Thanks,

Sorry I posted the last message before I saw this.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

May 2 @ 12:13 PM ET
Probably true.

Just like McDavid didn't want to go to Edmonton.

Matthews is an American. I can easily believe he is not happy about the outcome. It is up to the Leafs to make him change his mind. By all accounts, the Leafs run a pretty first-class organization and with respected guys like Lamoriello and Babcock in the organization, Matthews will probably come around.

... Not to mention Toronto is a great city

- Aetherial


and hard to find a parking spot.
matt1337
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 925K. Talented player. (Lehtonen) Santo_44, ON
Joined: 09.28.2010

May 2 @ 12:13 PM ET
if redbull is paying dion 100k a year to wear his hat in interviews I think stammer wont have any problems making 4-5 mil a year with some bigger names...while still keeping sportchek, powerade, etc
- Lucas.Neilson


agreed, every company would be lining up to have him represent them
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

May 2 @ 12:13 PM ET
MATTHEWS TO REFUSE TO SIGN IN TORONTO
Says it's been his lifelong dream to play in Columbus

by Atomic Wedgie
Columbus Blogger for Tony's Tantalizing Hockey Tidbits

Presumptive 1st overall pick Auston Matthews has quietly made it known, through sources familiar with this blogger, that should the Toronto Maple Leafs select him in the draft, he will refuse to commit.

Matthews, an American, has always hated Canada due to the War of 1812. He feels that burning down buildings in Washington was disrespectful. He also hates mayo on hamburgers.

His lifelong dream has always been to play for the Columbus Blue Jackets, since he once saw an Ohio State women's volleyball game on ESPN4 and thought the fans were great.

Matthews' advanced Bludnersi rating last year in the Swiss league was 24.6.

- Atomic Wedgie

Nicely done

But iit would have been more realistic if you said he was refusing to play with Bernier as the goalie

TheHockeyGods
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.05.2013

May 2 @ 12:15 PM ET
Quick question, are there any worthwile goalies to take with the first pick in the second round? Or should we just add another D prospect
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

May 2 @ 12:16 PM ET
if redbull is paying dion 100k a year to wear his hat in interviews I think stammer wont have any problems making 4-5 mil a year with some bigger names...while still keeping sportchek, powerade, etc
- Lucas.Neilson


This is a market where the general manager has an endorsement deal. It's insane.
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