I think if Arizona really want him that badly then they will have to pay dearly. I would hate to see them gut their franchise just to get Matthews. And Toronto would, that is if they even entertain the offer, ask for OEL, Dvorak (better than Strome in every way), Domi and their 1st. That package should more than enough to deter their pursuit.
- TML4Life85

Yeah, it would have to be a massive overpayment for TO to consider trading that pick. It's like someone else mentioned yesterday that the Coyotes are better off just creating a successful team to generate more interest from fans than gutting the team to bring home a homegrown talent.
Also, probably my emotions getting in the way, but I think I'd be upset at them trading the pick even if OEL ++ was offered. We haven't had a 1st OA in what, 30 years? One that will likely be the bonafide #1 center we need? I look forward to seeing Matthews in blue and white next year.

Yeah, it would have to be a massive overpayment for TO to consider trading that pick. It's like someone else mentioned yesterday that the Coyotes are better off just creating a successful team to generate more interest from fans than gutting the team to bring home a homegrown talent.
Also, probably my emotions getting in the way, but I think I'd be upset at them trading the pick even if OEL ++ was offered. We haven't had a 1st OA in what, 30 years? One that will likely be the bonafide #1 center we need? I look forward to seeing Matthews in blue and white next year.
- Thecakeisalie

Thank you..

Before the Leafs got the 1st overall pick it was fine to make up trade proposals because we needed something to talk about. But not its almost maddening listening to some of the people here blabber on about OEL and Strome, no we want Domi, or maybe Dvorak blah blah... Jesus Christ people we finally got someone who will fill the hole Sundin left and all you can think about it trading him?!?!

I honestly can't understand how any of this could be a good idea. Like seriously, are we going to ice 4 lines of top 10 picks?? Does that make any sense to you? No matter who we get back other than McDavid it wont be worth it. Sure some Domi or OEL would be nice to have, but people are saying OEL is top 5! Wtf?!?! No he isnt dumbpoop. Why the hell would we trade a for sure 1C? They are the hardest piece to aquire. Its mind boggling that these proposals are even being suggested.

Draft, build a good farm team, address needs through free agency, and compete hard.. Thats how you build a winner.. Not trade away a 1st overall pick when a potential very very good player is available..

Thank you..

Before the Leafs got the 1st overall pick it was fine to make up trade proposals because we needed something to talk about. But not its almost maddening listening to some of the people here blabber on about OEL and Strome, no we want Domi, or maybe Dvorak blah blah... Jesus Christ people we finally got someone who will fill the hole Sundin left and all you can think about it trading him?!?!

I honestly can't understand how any of this could be a good idea. Like seriously, are we going to ice 4 lines of top 10 picks?? Does that make any sense to you? No matter who we get back other than McDavid it wont be worth it. Sure some Domi or OEL would be nice to have, but people are saying OEL is top 5! Wtf?!?! No he isnt dumbpoop. Why the hell would we trade a for sure 1C? They are the hardest piece to aquire. Its mind boggling that these proposals are even being suggested.
Draft, build a good farm team, address needs through free agency, and compete hard.. Thats how you build a winner.. Not trade away a 1st overall pick when a potential very very good player is available..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ne one is worth trading if your getting good value. If some team wants to massively overpay for A.M all the better for the Leafs.

You know what's just as hard to find as a 1C.... A true 1D or a top goalie in this league.... Who's to say Nylander doesn't turn out to be a bonafide #1C? Thus far he's shown he has all the potential to be one, add onto that management likely knows whether or not Stamkos is coming and it makes all the more sense. It worked out extremely well for the Nordiques/ Avs getting rid of Lindros.

All that said i don't see any team being willing to unload what the Leafs would likely be asking for, but never hurts to see......

Ne one is worth trading if your getting good value. If some team wants to massively overpay for A.M all the better for the Leafs.

You know what's just as hard to find as a 1C.... A true 1D or a top goalie in this league.... Who's to say Nylander doesn't turn out to be a bonafide #1C? Thus far he's shown he has all the potential to be one, add onto that management likely knows whether or not Stamkos is coming and it makes all the more sense. It worked out extremely well for the Nordiques/ Avs getting rid of Lindros.

All that said i don't see any team being willing to unload what the Leafs would likely be asking for, but never hurts to see......
- orienbrady22

No.. it isnt as hard. Goalies get hot and cool off. Lundqvist is one of the best goalies of the past decade.. but Niemi and Crawford have a cup.

CHI, LA, PIT, BOS all won because of their 1C.. those type of players do not come around often.. Sure they all had a stud D man but so do the Leafs.

Maybe Nylander will be just that, but he can also be #2C or a winger. Who gives a (frank) about Kadri at this point, but if he's the 3C thats a really solid middle group and they can make it work, or trade him if they have to. It doesnt matter what they would get back because no matter what it won't have the positive impact Matthews would.. and how do you suppose they could afford all these players? It makes no sense whatsoever to even consider a trade.

Ne one is worth trading if your getting good value. If some team wants to massively overpay for A.M all the better for the Leafs.

You know what's just as hard to find as a 1C.... A true 1D or a top goalie in this league.... Who's to say Nylander doesn't turn out to be a bonafide #1C? Thus far he's shown he has all the potential to be one, add onto that management likely knows whether or not Stamkos is coming and it makes all the more sense. It worked out extremely well for the Nordiques/ Avs getting rid of Lindros.

All that said i don't see any team being willing to unload what the Leafs would likely be asking for, but never hurts to see......
- orienbrady22

Even for a serious over payment I'm not too keen on the idea of trading him.

Keep Matthews and hope he turns out to be an amazing player. I like the idea of drafting and developing our own possible superstar center. Figure a trade (or draft) the other pieces we need some other way.

Bishop then?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He's gonna want Carey Price money. TB will protect Vaselevsky(sp) and leave Bishop exposed. Pitt will do the same with MAF.

It's not ELC's that are exempt from expansion draft. It's anybody who has played 2 years or less of AHL/NHL.

So for the Leafs we want both teams to come in this year as many of our Marlies and young players will play in their 3rd pro seasons next year.

I'm not sure if last season's half year of AHL counts for Nylander. If it does count then he currently has 2 years. Exempt this year but not next year. Connor Brown is exempt this year but not next year, etc.
- Njuice

Connor brown isn't exempt. He just finished his 2nd year, thus when the expansion draft takes place this time next year he'll have played 3yrs of pro.

Matthews

Expansion draft 2017:

Matthews, Marner are protected automatically. (1st/2nd year pro's). Dermott as well. Leafs will give Stamkos a NMC, which means that he will probably be automatically protected as well.

Leafs 'protected core' 2017-2018 going forward:

- Stamkos
- Marner
- Matthews

+ 7 FWs: 1/ Nylander 2/ Kadri 3/ Komarov 4/ JVR (?) 5/ Soshnikov (?) / 6 ?? / 7 ??
+ 3 Ds: 1/ Rielly 2/ Gardiner (?) 3/ Any of the young D-men that comes out as best of class (Percy/Harrington/Carrick/...).
1 GK: 1/ ?? (need to be acquired).

What seems interesting for Leafs is that alot of the best prospects would not need to be protected in 2017, so expect TML to fully support rapid expansion by 2017 as opposed to 2018. As well, it seems that Zaitsev would be automatically protected as well since still 2nd year NA pro..

There will be alot of Teams (Ana, NYI, Tampa, Detroit, LA, ... even Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary) that will have to make hard choices on which players they want to protect in a possible expansion draft 2017.

I fully expect some high profile players to be traded coming season already (ie Kucherov, Vasilevskiy, maybe a guy like Kreider on NYR) and alot of NMCs being handed out to some of the younger top of class players, including RFAs (ie Stamkos, Seth Jones, Schwartz, Brayden Schenn, Barrie, McKinnon, etc. etc.).

There aren't many teams that are in a better position than the Leafs when it comes to expansion draft / trade options leading up to that.

Expansion draft 2017:

Matthews, Marner are protected automatically. (1st/2nd year pro's). Dermott as well. Leafs will give Stamkos a NMC, which means that he will probably be automatically protected as well.

Leafs 'protected core' 2017-2018 going forward:

- Stamkos
- Marner
- Matthews

+ 7 FWs: 1/ Nylander 2/ Kadri 3/ Komarov 4/ JVR (?) 5/ Soshnikov (?) / 6 ?? / 7 ??
+ 3 Ds: 1/ Rielly 2/ Gardiner (?) 3/ Any of the young D-men that comes out as best of class (Percy/Harrington/Carrick/...).
1 GK: 1/ ?? (need to be acquired).

What seems interesting for Leafs is that alot of the best prospects would not need to be protected in 2017, so expect TML to fully support rapid expansion by 2017 as opposed to 2018. As well, it seems that Zaitsev would be automatically protected as well since still 2nd year NA pro..

There will be alot of Teams (Ana, NYI, Tampa, Detroit, LA, ... even Edmonton, Winnipeg, Calgary) that will have to make hard choices on which players they want to protect in a possible expansion draft 2017.

I fully expect some high profile players to be traded coming season already (ie Kucherov, Vasilevskiy, maybe a guy like Kreider on NYR) and alot of NMCs being handed out to some of the younger top of class players, including RFAs (ie Stamkos, Seth Jones, Schwartz, Brayden Schenn, Barrie, McKinnon, etc. etc.).

There aren't many teams that are in a better position than the Leafs when it comes to expansion draft / trade options leading up to that.
- MaximusAurelius

Nmc and ntc are not an addition to the players you are allowed to protect. Stamkos (if he came here with an nmc) would be required to be one of the 7 forwards.

Teams that haven't made the playoffs in a million years should have significantly more players they can protect lol

Teams that haven't made the playoffs in a million years should have significantly more players they can protect lol
- daeth

Teams that have missed the playoffs in a million year shouldn't have more players the expansion team wants.

Henrik Lundqvist - Taken in the 7th round position 205.

Nice pick up..


Good to be a Leaf fan these days..

Morning fellas.

Nmc and ntc are not an addition to the players you are allowed to protect. Stamkos (if he came here with an nmc) would be required to be one of the 7 forwards.
- burn

You're right.
In that case, Leafs are in a better shape since at present there are no players with NMCs (apart from Horton) on the team.
I think the NTCs are not automatically protected in an expansion draft, although the rules are still to be discussed.

Teams that have missed the playoffs in a million year shouldn't have more players the expansion team wants.
- burn

except they'll often be full of younger players that are more "potential" than anything else. basically what every expansion team would want over poop like bickell from chicago.

Guess I'm the only one that thinks we already have our centre. Nylander could, or should, slot in as our #1C.

I mean, EVERYBODY squawks about how skilled and over the top he is, which is undeniable, but apparently he's not good enough to centre a first line ?
I know this year was only a small sample, but man he sure didn't look out of place, and that's a huge understatement.

Trade the first with Columbus. Our 1st & bernier or Blozak, for their pick & Justin Falk + a pick/prospect to give Rielly his partner, assuming the $ add up etc.

That's a pretty sick top 6, a heat seeking third, & an excellent 4th line forward corps for years to come.

Laine Nylander Marner
JVR Kadri Brown
Timashov Komagod Soshnakov
Leivo Laich Hyman

If you don't think Leafs mgmnt is looking at the big picture & ALL options available at the draft well.. that's just short sighted.

You're right.
In that case, Leafs are in a better shape since at present there are no players with NMCs (apart from Horton) on the team.
I think the NTCs are not automatically protected in an expansion draft, although the rules are still to be discussed.
- MaximusAurelius

Ntc are the same, if they have the protection in their contract it must be honoured. Bozak, mihaleck, greening, lupul, Horton have ntc.

Hoepfully they don't have to protect Horton as he's not playing.

except they'll often be full of younger players that are more "potential" than anything else. basically what every expansion team would want over poop like bickell from chicago.
- daeth

Joke missed the mark this morning.....

Joke missed the mark this morning.....
- burn

i still don't get it lol

Guess I'm the only one that thinks we already have our centre. Nylander could, or should, slot in as our #1C.

I mean, EVERYBODY squawks about how skilled and over the top he is, which is undeniable, but apparently he's not good enough to centre a first line ?
I know this year was only a small sample, but man he sure didn't look out of place, and that's a huge understatement.

Trade the first with Columbus. Our 1st & bernier or Blozak, for their pick & Justin Falk + a pick/prospect to give Rielly his partner, assuming the $ add up etc.

That's a pretty sick top 6, a heat seeking third, & an excellent 4th line forward corps for years to come.

Laine Nylander Marner
JVR Kadri Brown
Timashov Komagod Soshnakov
Leivo Laich Hyman

If you don't think Leafs mgmnt is looking at the big picture & ALL options available at the draft well.. that's just short sighted.
- LakesideBlues

How bout we take the best player in the draft,build around him. Add nylander in... If he's good enough to center the 1st line then he'd make a killer 2c.


Dozzer needs to start banning people for this lunacy.

A month and 3weeks of this nonsense?

i still don't get it lol
- daeth

Teams that miss the playoff have bad players.....

Teams that miss the playoff have bad players.....
- burn

this is a joke?

I don't think I'm that tired am I?

this is a joke?
- daeth

You said bad teams should be able to protect more players, I said they shouldn't have enough good players the other teams want.

I wonder if teams with guys who's contract is expiring make an agreement with the player to let them go to ufa and sign them July 1, allowing them an extra protection spot.