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WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:02 PM ET
I'm going to be honest and say I don't watch practically any hockey other than NHL, therefore, my opinions on who we should draft are virtually nonexistent.

can you guys give me your thoughts on guys after the top 3? just a pros and cons type thing. i'm at the point right now where after reading whatever article, i'm like "yup, this is definitely the guy."....until i read the next article.

- RealityChecker


You're hockeybuzzing wrong. How else are we supposed to have good discussions when youre not at least pretending to have some inside information?
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:05 PM ET
I think Dubois and Tkchuck are interchangeable at 4 and 5. I don't like the sounds of Dubois' minor penalty problem though. Con.
- boonerbuck

i'm staunchly a BPA person especially in the first round but golfingsince brought up a good point yesterday. if the team was to get 4, 5 or 6, is the talent/projection diffewrence big enough bpa vs positional need? at what pick should they trade down or is that not a consideration?

the conversation will be getting a lot better soon! or maybe we can still discuss bonino (i'm joking bloats)
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:08 PM ET
You're hockeybuzzing wrong. How else are we supposed to have good discussions when youre not at least pretending to have some inside information?
- WhiteLie

after reading a few posts, i'm going to pick a side and then:
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 29 @ 4:22 PM ET
http://www.pensionplanpup...among-years-best-forwards

Good round on Dubois. Apparently if Canucks get 4OA they will take him and dev as a center(coworker read it but lost link).

- Retinalz


Good read. Thanks. Who we pick 4-6 will be interesting, not much to separate hese kids. Wish the draft age was 19
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:29 PM ET
Good read. Thanks. Who we pick 4-6 will be interesting, not much to separate hese kids. Wish the draft age was 19
- CanuckDon

Dubois is a little bigger . I am not sure which one is the grittier one. Both have good point production.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:31 PM ET
Good read. Thanks. Who we pick 4-6 will be interesting, not much to separate hese kids. Wish the draft age was 19
- CanuckDon

so many things that should have been looked at and/or negotiated into the last cba. i could see how many players (even a majority perhaps) would be in favour of increasing the age. after all, those that vote on the cba are already in the league.

the ncaa "loophole" also should have been closed.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:33 PM ET
so many things that should have been looked at and/or negotiated into the last cba. i could see how many players (even a majority perhaps) would be in favour of increasing the age. after all, those that vote on the cba are already in the league.

the ncaa "loophole" also should have been closed.

- RealityChecker

WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:36 PM ET
Good read. Thanks. Who we pick 4-6 will be interesting, not much to separate hese kids. Wish the draft age was 19
- CanuckDon


Disagree on draft age change unless players can move up to the AHL prior to being drafted. I cant imagine the likes of McDavid playing in the OHL last year after putting up the absurd numbers he did in his draft year. Even a guy like Debrincat who isnt a 1st overall prospect, might actually be in the 20-40 range has put up 2 50-goal seasons before being draft eligible at the current rules
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:36 PM ET
so many things that should have been looked at and/or negotiated into the last cba. i could see how many players (even a majority perhaps) would be in favour of increasing the age. after all, those that vote on the cba are already in the league.

the ncaa "loophole" also should have been closed.

- RealityChecker


Yup, there is too much uncertainty when attempting to project 17 year olds. Let the kids focus on hockey when they are 16 and not the draft!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:38 PM ET
Disagree on draft age change unless players can move up to the AHL prior to being drafted. I cant imagine the likes of McDavid playing in the OHL last year after putting up the absurd numbers he did in his draft year. Even a guy like Debrincat who isnt a 1st overall prospect, might actually be in the 20-40 range has put up 2 50-goal seasons before being draft eligible at the current rules
- WhiteLie

Who would they play for in the AHL if they are not drafted
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Apr 29 @ 4:39 PM ET
so many things that should have been looked at and/or negotiated into the last cba. i could see how many players (even a majority perhaps) would be in favour of increasing the age. after all, those that vote on the cba are already in the league.

the ncaa "loophole" also should have been closed.

- RealityChecker


In that case, wouldn't more people go the Auston Mathews route and play professional in Europe if they can't in the NHL or AHL?
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:41 PM ET
Disagree on draft age change unless players can move up to the AHL prior to being drafted. I cant imagine the likes of McDavid playing in the OHL last year after putting up the absurd numbers he did in his draft year. Even a guy like Debrincat who isnt a 1st overall prospect, might actually be in the 20-40 range has put up 2 50-goal seasons before being draft eligible at the current rules
- WhiteLie

you bring up an interesting point that touches upon another issue i.e. vested partners. any changes to the draft age would have ripple effects on jrs and the ncaa.

jrs would benefit from a higher draft age so perhaps allowing kids with 3 years in jr to be eligible for the ahl.

the point is, that there should be a reasonable compromise.

*** i do also acknowledge the other side of my brain that has difficulty limiting an adult's ability to work. i don't like the nfl rule and disliked the court ruling. having said that, i would be in favour of tweaking the nhl eligibility rules.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 29 @ 4:43 PM ET
Canucks Sign Michael Garteig
WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:43 PM ET
Who would they play for in the AHL if they are not drafted
- VANTEL


Players can sign in the AHL and not be property of the parent NHL club. They are separate leagues and while they have ties and some share the same ownership, it wouldnt change anything since the players are entered into the draft anyways eliminating tampering
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:43 PM ET
In that case, wouldn't more people go the Auston Mathews route and play professional in Europe if they can't in the NHL or AHL?
- DeflatedPucks

sure. there will definitely be ripple effects. perhaps matthews' route will have a ripple effect by itself.

while there will be drawbacks in any situation, all in all, i would like to see a higher age in the draft.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 29 @ 4:44 PM ET
This website is a joke. I just spent 10 minutes preparing a response to Bloated from the last blog and it disappeared. Perhaps I'll focus on work today.
- CanuckDon


sucker.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Apr 29 @ 4:45 PM ET
Who would they play for in the AHL if they are not drafted
- VANTEL

they'd be free agents just like matthews this year getting approx $400k (according to sportsnet) to play in whatever league they want.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 29 @ 4:46 PM ET



http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=134727

he went 32-4-7 in his senior year in the regular season before losing to UND in the frozen four.
WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:46 PM ET
you bring up an interesting point that touches upon another issue i.e. vested partners. any changes to the draft age would have ripple effects on jrs and the ncaa.

jrs would benefit from a higher draft age so perhaps allowing kids with 3 years in jr to be eligible for the ahl.

the point is, that there should be a reasonable compromise.

*** i do also acknowledge the other side of my brain that has difficulty limiting an adult's ability to work. i don't like the nfl rule and disliked the court ruling. having said that, i would be in favour of tweaking the nhl eligibility rules.

- RealityChecker


I dont mind the discussion, I just watch very little CHL hockey since it reminds me of the NBA where a few stars dominate. Even if they dont change the rules, I still want to find a way for top prospects to compete against the best and be challenged. Especially when some are spending 4+ years in Jr's and producing over a PPG, it seems counterproductive for the overall development of the player and the league IMO
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:46 PM ET
Lefty brought up some good points on this a month or two back. Three years in Jr. then AHL eligible. If a NCAA player doesn't want to sign with drafted team after 4 years then his name goes back in the next draft
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Apr 29 @ 4:47 PM ET
you bring up an interesting point that touches upon another issue i.e. vested partners. any changes to the draft age would have ripple effects on jrs and the ncaa.

jrs would benefit from a higher draft age so perhaps allowing kids with 3 years in jr to be eligible for the ahl.

the point is, that there should be a reasonable compromise.

*** i do also acknowledge the other side of my brain that has difficulty limiting an adult's ability to work. i don't like the nfl rule and disliked the court ruling. having said that, i would be in favour of tweaking the nhl eligibility rules.

- RealityChecker


What don't you like about the NFL rule? regarding college play?
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:49 PM ET
I dont mind the discussion, I just watch very little CHL hockey since it reminds me of the NBA where a few stars dominate. Even if they dont change the rules, I still want to find a way for top prospects to compete against the best and be challenged. Especially when some are spending 4+ years in Jr's and producing over a PPG, it seems counterproductive for the overall development of the player and the league IMO
- WhiteLie

it's very productive to some people's bank accounts
WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:49 PM ET



http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=134727

he went 32-4-7 in his senior year in the regular season before losing to UND in the frozen four.

- Codes1087


I like this, though I am a little surpised they appear to be out on Cannata and rolling with two rookie goalies in Utica next season (or maybe Gartieg goes to Kalamazoo since Bachman has another year?)
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 29 @ 4:50 PM ET
they'd be free agents just like matthews this year getting approx $400k (according to sportsnet) to play in whatever league they want.
- RealityChecker

interesting.
WhiteLie
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Apr 29 @ 4:50 PM ET
it's very productive to some people's bank accounts
- RealityChecker


very true, I think the woman that owed the Erie Otters just unloaded the team after McDavid left with a healthy profit
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