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yzermaneely
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Poway, CA
Joined: 12.17.2011

Apr 29 @ 4:50 PM ET
Seven playoff rounds in 4 years! With Getzlaf as your captain? Remember, Carlyle only had 3 playoff rounds in his last 4 years. And only one in his last 3.

Fowler makes too many mistakes. Despres is a mess. Getz can't get off the officials. Perry still thinks the officials will buy his constant diving. Our shutdown center is our best player. Let's hope the next coach is better. But I highly doubt it.

I remember missing the playoffs two out of three years (09-10 & 11-12). I remember a lot of disappointing nights in the regular season. I remember not even getting to game 7s, much less the playoffs way too much. I'll take Bruce any day. But I suppose this was inevitable.
FlamesNOTLames
Calgary Flames
Location: Strathmore, AB
Joined: 11.09.2014

Apr 29 @ 5:31 PM ET
To me, Perry is more of a goal-scoring agitator than a pure goal scorer (sniper). He's great, but his scoring prowess appears to have declined while his ability to agitate remains steady, meaning he takes more penalties per goal (I'm just guessing at that and am probably incorrect). By pure goal scorer, I'm thinking of someone like Johnny Gaudreau (RFA), whose sole purpose is to light it up. Stamkos is available, but we'd have to have a firesale.
- Asplanchna

Gaudreau.....doubt that ever happening,but the Flames have this kid, Mangiapane, 2 100+ point seasons for Barrie in the O.....supposed to be a Brad Marchant type player and the Flames need goaltending.
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Apr 29 @ 5:42 PM ET
Much cheaper to fire the coach than Getzlaf and Perry.
- Itsjustarash


Getzlaf actually played a pretty good series, Perry was a -7 though
Asplanchna
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 06.26.2012

Apr 29 @ 5:42 PM ET
Gaudreau.....doubt that ever happening,but the Flames have this kid, Mangiapane, 2 100+ point seasons for Barrie in the O.....supposed to be a Brad Marchant type player and the Flames need goaltending.
- FlamesNOTLames

Never heard of the kid, so I'll have to look him up. I've always thought Marchand was similar to Perry - a natural agitator with good scoring ability. Are the Ducks really looking to stick with Gibson as the sole #1 and deal Anderson? Anderson may be older, but proved his worth this playoff round. Gibson by himself might be a disaster unless we have a solid #2.
Asplanchna
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 06.26.2012

Apr 29 @ 5:45 PM ET
Getzlaf actually played a pretty good series, Perry was a -7 though

- DutchSenators

Agreed. But I think it's more than the numbers. The latest transcripts from the GM indicate the motivation was there in game 7, but not so much in the other games. Is that a Captain problem, and so can it be laid at Getzlaf's feet or just Boudreau's?
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Apr 29 @ 5:49 PM ET
Agreed. But I think it's more than the numbers. The latest transcripts from the GM indicate the motivation was there in game 7, but not so much in the other games. Is that a Captain problem, and so can it be laid at Getzlaf's feet or just Boudreau's?
- Asplanchna


yeah I can agree on the part that Getzlaf is probably not Captain material (certainly 4 game 7's losses are not only the coaches fault) but it's hard to strip away the C off him.
Johnny22
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Newport Beach, CA
Joined: 01.18.2011

Apr 29 @ 7:16 PM ET
The Ducks did a hell of a job getting out of an early season hole this year ... despite Boudreau.

As a Kings fan I am sad to see him go..
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Apr 29 @ 7:27 PM ET
Never heard of the kid, so I'll have to look him up. I've always thought Marchand was similar to Perry - a natural agitator with good scoring ability. Are the Ducks really looking to stick with Gibson as the sole #1 and deal Anderson? Anderson may be older, but proved his worth this playoff round. Gibson by himself might be a disaster unless we have a solid #2.
- Asplanchna


It depends. If the Ducks management thinks that their championship window is now, and that it will close when Perry and Getzlaf are over the hill (4-5 more years), then they will probably stick with Andersen. If the plan is to remain contenders after that, then they'll probably stick with Gibson.
Orange_me_Black
Season Ticket Holder
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Seattle (formally CA), WA
Joined: 07.16.2015

Apr 29 @ 7:38 PM ET
Sutter could be on the short list for the Ducks. That would throw so cal hockey into a tailspin.
duxcup07
Joined: 07.10.2007

Apr 29 @ 8:05 PM ET
Sutter could be on the short list for the Ducks. That would throw so cal hockey into a tailspin.
- Orange_me_Black

Just heard this from Elliott Friedman too. I can't imagine Lombardi would want that to happen but Friedman said that Sutter and the Kings haven't even begun talking so who knows. That would be a bizarre twist if it happened. Sutter would become a Ducks fan real quick.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Apr 29 @ 8:12 PM ET
Just heard this from Elliott Friedman too. I can't imagine Lombardi would want that to happen but Friedman said that Sutter and the Kings haven't even begun talking so who knows. That would be a bizarre twist if it happened. Sutter would become a Ducks fan real quick.
- duxcup07

He will have "the best goalie in the world" if this happens.... But I doubt it
IGotTheMemo
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Orange County
Joined: 04.29.2016

Apr 29 @ 9:31 PM ET
Hi Ed, long time reader and I decided to make an account, and share my thoughts on the Boudreau firing.

I believe the team was a Staley Cup contender, on paper, this year and last year. Bruce runs a tight ship. When his system is working it, they Ducks are really able to stretch the ice, and, more importantly, get in on the forecheck. I thought the possession numbers, along with the PK and PP stats were going to insure a Stanley Cup Finals birth.

Unfortunately, it didn't. My knock on Bruce is he's too micro in his coaching philosophy. I think he harps on breakouts, dump ins, checking so much so that the players lose focus. That,compounded with so much emphasis on the refs really deters Anaheim from playing their game.

Whether it's Steve Carrol, Bruce, or Getzlaf, there is way too much complaining. I though Getzlaf was a lot better during the regular season, but quickly reverted back to complaining in the first round lost to Nashville. The main thing for me is there was way to much drama in the locker room for them to focus on playing their brand of hockey.

In terms of the early exit, I think Josh Manson being taken out in the first period of game 1 was the start of the avalanche. This team found a way to lose, as they have the past few years.

I hope the new coach is more macro. In my sports career I worked better under a system type coach, as opposed to a plays type coach. I know Bruce was the former, but he just talked too much. No matter what, Corey Perry has underperformed under Boudreau. Carlyle challenged Perry to be great in every facet of the game. He was sheltered under Bruce.

As for GM BM, I think the money we saved by foregoing Belesky and Palmieri will be used to resign Lindholm, Vatanen, Rakell, Perron and Andersen. The good news is there is strength down the center, and the best young blue line in the NHL is being coached by the great Scott Niedermayer.

yzermaneely
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Poway, CA
Joined: 12.17.2011

Apr 30 @ 1:30 AM ET
You can pay Andersen about anything close to reasonable if Las Vegas and or Quebec City get expansion teams for 2017. They would take him, sparing one of our young defensemen from being drafted. And we'd be left with the goalie we all know will be the starter for the next decade. GMBM is a pretty smart cookie. He was in San Diego tonight, scouting the Gulls too.
requester47
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 01.22.2009

Apr 30 @ 7:34 AM ET
His phone was ringing the second he was fired.
quackup
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Joined: 09.29.2014

Apr 30 @ 10:23 AM ET
You can pay Andersen about anything close to reasonable if Las Vegas and or Quebec City get expansion teams for 2017. They would take him, sparing one of our young defensemen from being drafted. And we'd be left with the goalie we all know will be the starter for the next decade. GMBM is a pretty smart cookie. He was in San Diego tonight, scouting the Gulls too.
- yzermaneely


That really doesn't make any sense. Sign Andersen, expose him to the draft, lose him, and get NOTHING in return?

And for those that think Andersen is the better goalie, check the season stats. Both Andersen and Gibson played the same minutes, with Gibson having the better season (stats/save %). He's only 22, signed for 3 more years at a cap friendly deal. Andersen is 4 years older, RFA with arbitration rights, and UFA eligible in one year. If the Ducks can sign him to a one year deal, great, otherwise, I think it's Gibson in goal for hopefully the next decade.
quackup
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Joined: 09.29.2014

Apr 30 @ 10:29 AM ET
Hi Ed, long time reader and I decided to make an account, and share my thoughts on the Boudreau firing.

I believe the team was a Staley Cup contender, on paper, this year and last year. Bruce runs a tight ship. When his system is working it, they Ducks are really able to stretch the ice, and, more importantly, get in on the forecheck. I thought the possession numbers, along with the PK and PP stats were going to insure a Stanley Cup Finals birth.

Unfortunately, it didn't. My knock on Bruce is he's too micro in his coaching philosophy. I think he harps on breakouts, dump ins, checking so much so that the players lose focus. That,compounded with so much emphasis on the refs really deters Anaheim from playing their game.

Whether it's Steve Carrol, Bruce, or Getzlaf, there is way too much complaining. I though Getzlaf was a lot better during the regular season, but quickly reverted back to complaining in the first round lost to Nashville. The main thing for me is there was way to much drama in the locker room for them to focus on playing their brand of hockey.

In terms of the early exit, I think Josh Manson being taken out in the first period of game 1 was the start of the avalanche. This team found a way to lose, as they have the past few years.

I hope the new coach is more macro. In my sports career I worked better under a system type coach, as opposed to a plays type coach. I know Bruce was the former, but he just talked too much. No matter what, Corey Perry has underperformed under Boudreau. Carlyle challenged Perry to be great in every facet of the game. He was sheltered under Bruce.

As for GM BM, I think the money we saved by foregoing Belesky and Palmieri will be used to resign Lindholm, Vatanen, Rakell, Perron and Andersen. The good news is there is strength down the center, and the best young blue line in the NHL is being coached by the great Scott Niedermayer.

- IGotTheMemo


Great post. I wish I was as optimistic as you, but I don't see it. I don't think Andersen stays (only because one G can be protected in the upcoming expansion draft, and there's no doubt he or Gibson would be taken. Then you lose a G and get nothing back.), and the only way to sign everybody else is if a trade is made to shed salary.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Apr 30 @ 11:38 AM ET
To me, Perry is more of a goal-scoring agitator than a pure goal scorer (sniper). He's great, but his scoring prowess appears to have declined while his ability to agitate remains steady, meaning he takes more penalties per goal (I'm just guessing at that and am probably incorrect). By pure goal scorer, I'm thinking of someone like Johnny Gaudreau (RFA), whose sole purpose is to light it up. Stamkos is available, but we'd have to have a firesale.
- Asplanchna


Gaudreau is far from a pure goal scorer... he's 100% a playmaker, pass first type player. The exact opposite of what you're talking about. Idk if that's truly what they need though. They've got perry, even if he is in slight decline, they have rackell now who looks like he's really improving as a goal scorer, Kesler is a two way goal scorer. If they did want to really make a splash and get a true pure goal scorer, I'd either buy low on yakupov, or go after a guy like mark scheifele- who would cost a LOT. I don't know if it's truly what they'd need though. I'm dumbfounded myself as to what direction the ducks should go.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 30 @ 12:42 PM ET
A day later I still don't care for the firing - to me # 10 is far more culpable than BB - in the last 43 Duck playoff games he has 14 goals which is .32 gpg - with 2 ofers in there - this yr and 12/13 playoffs - he had 10 last yr in 16 which is solid - but only 4 in 13 games in 13/14 - for 8 plus million a yr gotta have much more esp when you are one dimensional player which he most certainly is - Can't take FO's / plus all the other things he can't do - and on top of that he takes Dumb penalties at some of the most inopportune times - IMO he needs to go ..... But I don't see any takers ... maybe this is too reactionary... but I'm done with this Gelding - no heart coward -
quackup
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Joined: 09.29.2014

Apr 30 @ 12:58 PM ET
A day later I still don't care for the firing - to me # 10 is far more culpable than BB - in the last 43 Duck playoff games he has 14 goals which is .32 gpg - with 2 ofers in there - this yr and 12/13 playoffs - he had 10 last yr in 16 which is solid - but only 4 in 13 games in 13/14 - for 8 plus million a yr gotta have much more esp when you are one dimensional player which he most certainly is - Can't take FO's / plus all the other things he can't do - and on top of that he takes Dumb penalties at some of the most inopportune times - IMO he needs to go ..... But I don't see any takers ... maybe this is too reactionary... but I'm done with this Gelding - no heart coward -
- dozerD10


He has a full NMC
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 30 @ 1:02 PM ET
He has a full NMC
- quackup


That's just Great - doesn't change the way I feel at this time about him - but yes that will put a damper on what or how or where -
kidninja
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 01.25.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:40 PM ET
He will have "the best goalie in the world" if this happens.... But I doubt it
- KINGS67


GOOD ONE!! LMFAO!!!
gtrman09
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 07.16.2009

Apr 30 @ 3:02 PM ET
GOOD ONE!! LMFAO!!!
- kidninja

You need to be exposed to some actual comedy, that wasn't even very clever
puckhog
Joined: 08.29.2008

May 4 @ 6:43 PM ET
What's up in Duckxville? Getzlaf bailing on O.C or on the move out of Anaheim? Selling both houses makes you wonder...
Eman87654
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 12.06.2015

May 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
What's up in Duckxville? Getzlaf bailing on O.C or on the move out of Anaheim? Selling both houses makes you wonder...
- puckhog

Nah . If he asked to be moved other teams would have let it leak . Theres no way to seriously shop a player of getzlafs caliber and it not get out . Also .Getzlafs the captian . If we moved him it would seriously raise questions about the direction the team . Its not like you could replace him . The only player avaliable that could is stamkos . And he ain't coming here .
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

May 7 @ 8:31 PM ET
You need to be exposed to some actual comedy, that wasn't even very clever
- gtrman09

It was a Darryl Sutter quote
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