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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 3:54 PM ET
good. he should go in there with his 1987 vic and slash everyone in the (frank)ing face, drop it on the desk, and then walk out.
- hammarby31

He's laying the ground work to knock a game or two off the suspension, which is exactly what he should be doing

I really like our GM and coach, feel good about the future
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:55 PM ET
I cant for the life of me figure out why people wouldnt be on board with a fantasy signing of Stamkos at 26.

Sign me up every time... In 4 years Provorov, Sanheim and Morin will have joined Ghost on the team and if they havent then they have been traded for assets. In that 4 year time Stamkos would still only be 30.

It's a no brainer to me. Giroux, Stamkos, Simmonds, Voracek , Schenn and Couturier\Koneckny in a top 6 roal for the next 4 years.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 3:57 PM ET
I cant for the life of me figure out why people wouldnt be on board with a fantasy signing of Stamkos at 26.

Sign me up every time... In 4 years Provorov, Sanheim and Morin will have joined Ghost on the team and if they havent then they have been traded for assets. In that 4 year time Stamkos would still only be 30.

It's a no brainer to me. Giroux, Stamkos, Simmonds, Voracek , Schenn and Couturier\Koneckny in a top 6 roal for the next 4 years.

- opeth_pa

it's just a ton of money tied up in three players

who wouldn't want stamkos?

its the cap they have to deal with
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Apr 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
it's just a ton of money tied up in three players

who wouldn't want stamkos?

its the cap they have to deal with

- Marc D


Hey if I can manage my team in NHL16 while being under the cap with how stacked my roster is than Hexy can too
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
it's just a ton of money tied up in three players

who wouldn't want stamkos?

its the cap they have to deal with

- Marc D


Yup but with what i would think will be a lot of ELC's over the next 2-4 years that becomes manageable.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
I cant for the life of me figure out why people wouldnt be on board with a fantasy signing of Stamkos at 26
- opeth_pa


Cause you could use $11m of the Flyers cap in better ways over the next seven years.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 27 @ 4:00 PM ET
it's just a ton of money tied up in three players

who wouldn't want stamkos?

- Marc D


Tampa, judging by the fact he hasn't been extended.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:00 PM ET
Yup but with what i would think will be a lot of ELC's over the next 2-4 years that becomes manageable.
- opeth_pa


And then when they're off their ELCs?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:03 PM ET

Personally here are a few thoughts from a non-Flyer fan:

- Do NOT sign any UFA this off-season.
- Trade some younger assets for a slightly more developed forward that is about to be an RFA (ie, find last year's Saad)
- Extend Neuvirth when the time is right. Mason is a decent G (think Reimer) and can be hot and cold, but I would prefer to retain the G with a better upside and I believe that is Neuvirth (and I thought that before 'the goal')

The last things I would look at, but something that I would give thought to, is dealing your franchise player, Claude Giroux. Yeah, yeah, I know I will take heat for this, but Claude isn't the same player he was just two years ago and his cold starts are very concerning.

Yes, of course he has a NTC/NMC but it is easy enough to test the waters with him. The return would also be huge. Now is the time.

Build your team around your youth on D....it will serve you well.

- Dollars2Donuts


Ignoring the first part because i think its crazy talk as well.

I disagree with trading Giroux. It is an NHL16 scenario that you speak of. It wont happen and shouldnt happen in real life. He is a more well rounded player than he was two years ago. The return would without a doubt be less than you are thinking it would be.

They will make some signings but they will not be big splashes
I would be okay with trading for a more polished prospect, but I struggle to envision that scenario (maybe anaheim D, rangers arent a good partner)
They dont have to decide on the goalies until next offseason or possibly around the trade deadline.

I am not sure why you think Neuvirth has more potential. I personally disagree. I also disagree with Mason being hot and cold...dude has been consistent over his time here
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 27 @ 4:04 PM ET
Off-topic, but the Blues organist playing Chelsea Dagger during the handshake line was fantastic.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:04 PM ET
Tampa, judging by the fact he hasn't been extended.
- Feanor

we don't have the full story

they also have a bunch of guys with expensive next deals looming
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 27 @ 4:05 PM ET
And then when they're off their ELCs?
- Mononoke


You always have moves to make and things work themselves out.
Maybe one of the prospects doesnt make it.who knows what..

Its just not often that a UFA of the Stamkos quality at age 26 hits the market. Their are few players I go after hard in UFA based on quality and age..Stamkos, Hedman if he ever gets there (which he wont) ... Those kinds of players I would move on and make the cap work around them in a few years after the ELCs expire.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:05 PM ET
Off-topic, but the Blues organist playing Chelsea Dagger during the handshake line was fantastic.
- jmatchett383


it was my anniversary so i didnt get to watch live. that is amazing
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:06 PM ET
Hextall said there's a danger in going overboard on July 1 only to get buyer's remorse and think "Now what do we do the next X years?"
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:06 PM ET
Off-topic, but the Blues organist playing Chelsea Dagger during the handshake line was fantastic.
- jmatchett383

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
He's laying the ground work to knock a game or two off the suspension, which is exactly what he should be doing

I really like our GM and coach, feel good about the future

- Marc D


as do i.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:09 PM ET
as do i.
- hammarby31

building through the draft can be a bit of a crapshoot, but its the only way to go

hopefully the scouts do a great job

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 27 @ 4:09 PM ET
Off-topic, but the Blues organist playing Chelsea Dagger during the handshake line was fantastic.
- jmatchett383


omg, i missed that. such a (frank)ing troll. that is fantastic. give that person a raise.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
You always have moves to make and things work themselves out.
Maybe one of the prospects doesnt make it.who knows what..

Its just not often that a UFA of the Stamkos quality at age 26 hits the market. Their are few players I go after hard in UFA based on quality and age..Stamkos, Hedman if he ever gets there (which he wont) ... Those kinds of players I would move on and make the cap work around them in a few years after the ELCs expire.

- opeth_pa


Isn't it alarming to anyone else that Tampa Bay isn't making moves to "work around" resigning Stamkos? They could have let Coburn walk and used the savings in him, or traded one of Johnson/Palat (good players, but not "elite" players) to get the space required, but they chose not to.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:12 PM ET
Hextall apparently did not get into the injury reports

He is waiting for the full list of surgeries to be known before that announcement
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:13 PM ET
You always have moves to make and things work themselves out.
Maybe one of the prospects doesnt make it.who knows what..

Its just not often that a UFA of the Stamkos quality at age 26 hits the market. Their are few players I go after hard in UFA based on quality and age..Stamkos, Hedman if he ever gets there (which he wont) ... Those kinds of players I would move on and make the cap work around them in a few years after the ELCs expire.

- opeth_pa


just an interesting picture

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 27 @ 4:13 PM ET
Isn't it alarming to anyone else that Tampa Bay isn't making moves to "work around" resigning Stamkos? They could have let Coburn walk and used the savings in him, or traded one of Johnson/Palat (good players, but not "elite" players) to get the space required, but they chose not to.
- jmatchett383

Its a bit of a red flag
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:13 PM ET
Hextall apparently did not get into the injury reports

He is waiting for the full list of surgeries to be known before that announcement

- Marc D


#firehexy
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 27 @ 4:17 PM ET
You always have moves to make and things work themselves out.
Maybe one of the prospects doesnt make it.who knows what..

Its just not often that a UFA of the Stamkos quality at age 26 hits the market. Their are few players I go after hard in UFA based on quality and age..Stamkos, Hedman if he ever gets there (which he wont) ... Those kinds of players I would move on and make the cap work around them in a few years after the ELCs expire.

- opeth_pa


He had 72 points last year, had 64 this year. He has not been the same the last couple seasons, elite as he still is. He isn't 50 goal 95 point Stamkos. Hell, he would've scored 6 more points than the "overpaid" Voracek in a pro rated season. He plays the same position on the PP as Giroux, isn't an all situations player, has declined in the stats department, and we are going to spend 11-12 mil a year for 7 years and think about the consequences later? Other players DO need to get paid in those 7 years.

He's awesome, but he's not highest paid player in NHL awesome to me. Maybe 3 years ago. We finally have maneuverability financially. Let's not spend it the first chance we get. Besides the fact signing him flies in the face everything Hexy has done, he has zero reason to come here, let alone for the discounted price many throw out.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 27 @ 4:17 PM ET
just an interesting picture


- YuenglingJagr


That is a great diagram but the game is played at more than 5 on 5..

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