Thanks for once again explaining to us all exactly where you are on the spectrum.
- RonPielep

This, in a nutshell, is Edmonton's problem. You scoff at that comparison yet it is entirely apt; that depth chart on LH D is completely analogous to the Isles' depth chart on LW. If I missed Davidson, I also left out Nelson for the Isles.

I know exactly where you are on this spectrum:

Cup winner--- contender---playoff team---mediocre---awful---DFL

It tires me when people throw out stupid trade offers with teams moving their number 1 Dman for this guy, that guy, what have you. The only way any team is moving their number 1 Dman is if they have no choice & even then it is incredibly rare. The hardest commodity to find in the NHL.

The last 1 I can think of was Phaneuf in January of 2010 & was he really Calgary's number 1 at that point with Bouwmeester & Giordano in place. Bouwmeester was acquired by Calgary in the summer of 09 he signed 4 days before he was due to become a UFA & Florida traded him to Calgary as he wasn't willing to resign in Florida. Can anyone enlighten me to any others?

Speaking of centers traded you can add Johansen to that list as well.

This, in a nutshell, is Edmonton's problem. You scoff at that comparison yet it is entirely apt; that depth chart on LH D is completely analogous to the Isles' depth chart on LW. If I missed Davidson, I also left out Nelson for the Isles.

I know exactly where you are on this spectrum:

Cup winner--- contender---playoff team---mediocre---awful---DFL

- Snowblind

Yes, random oiler fans thoughts about random oiler haters thoughts on a hockey discussion website is the root of the oilers problems

We'll do our best to correct this organizational issue going forward. Thanks for that



This was good too;
"It's entirely apt cause I say so!!"

Well that changes everything !!

It's either exaggeration to Furthur a point (par for the course here at hockeybuzz) or a lack of knowledge of the group the oilers have on the left side imo
- HB77

Hyperbole doesn't have the same effect when you come across as having a mental illness.

Suck it Alfie, you will post in here eventually you god damn Mouth Breather
- DDM-Coga

Hyperbole doesn't have the same effect when you come across as having a mental illness.
- RonPielep

You mean the exaggeration didn't change your mind ?

youre the problem with the oilers

Yes, random oiler fans thoughts about random oiler haters thoughts on a hockey discussion website is the root of the oilers problems

We'll do our best to correct this organizational issue going forward. Thanks for that



This was good too;
"It's entirely apt cause I say so!!"

Well that changes everything !!
- HB77

Please elaborate on why the Oilers' stable of left-handed defensemen is superior to the Isles' LW depth chart.

MaximumBone

I am not talking about his line mates missed assignments or the defenses, although I have seen 3 or 4 Edmonton players simultaneously collapse on 1 player & I am not just talking about a couple of feet but all covering significant distances leaving virtually everyone else on the ice wide open. I've watch 4 Edmonton players chase the puck against 1 opposing player into the corner on more than 1 occasion at Edmonton games live, how does that happen!

Its like Florida fans right now complaining about losing because officiating. Yes the refs missed calls, they always do, Martin should have gotten a tripping penalty right before Tavares scored but is it the refs fault 3 players including Barkov; who was responsible for covering Tavares all collapsed on 1 player leaving Tavares wide open to score with 54 seconds or that all 5 Florida players collapsed into a 10 foot circle to the right looking at the Florida net chasing after Tavares & no 1 staying in position to pick him up coming around the other side on the wrap around. 2 of Florida's players impeded Luongo from being able to come back across to potentially make that save.

This, in a nutshell, is Edmonton's problem. You scoff at that comparison yet it is entirely apt; that depth chart on LH D is completely analogous to the Isles' depth chart on LW. If I missed Davidson, I also left out Nelson for the Isles.

I know exactly where you are on this spectrum:

Cup winner--- contender---playoff team---mediocre---awful---DFL

- Snowblind

In a list of top NHL LD and top NHL LW both Sekera and Klefbom rank higher than Anders Lee. I mean (frank) their offensive contributions alone are comparable to Anders Lee and they are (frank)ing D-men ON THE OILERS...

Please elaborate on why the Oilers' stable of left-handed defensemen is superior to the Isles' LW depth chart.
- Snowblind

MDC isn't even an NHL player. Not saying Reinhart is but at least he has played some NHL games and produced over 0 pts in the AHL...

Comparing MDC to anyone who has played a regular season NHL game is more along the lines of completely deluded than completely analogous, especially considering MDC might never make it past the AHL at all.

I won't speak for anyone else, but personally, I've never considered that possibility cause I'm awesome. And never wrong


- HB77

THIS!

Please elaborate on why the Oilers' stable of left-handed defensemen is superior to the Isles' LW depth chart.
- Snowblind

K, but all we can really do is talk of impact and try and find a comparison in terms of where they stack up in the lineup. Tough to really draw an apt comparison when so much of it is based on potential/health/development/insulation/etc
And I'll fully admit as much.

Anywats,
I think klefbom has a higher ceiling than anyone you currently possess that plays the left side on a regular basis. And he's a truly quality top 4 guy already. Arguably even a decent top pairing guy and getting better.
So a true first line left winger ? (Brock Nelson maybe? Is he a full time left winger ?)

Sekera is a quality 2nd pairing option now.
A true 2nd line left winger ?

Nurse has true top pairing potential. Like stud defender imo. Again, I don't think you have anyone that possesses that ceiling on your left wing.
A stud franchise left winger ? (Mdc is not in that class imo)

And Davidson is a fantastic option in the 3rd pair. And has unequivocally proven he can be effective in a bigger role. A quality middle 6 defensive left winger ?



Kind of a tough argument to really quantify though. Especially assuming your response as "ahh!! Oilers are the worst!! Everyone is bad! You finished poorly so all of your players are bad!! You overrate them!! I hate the oilers !!"

Essentially, I don't believe the guys you named have near the quality of the ones I did

As I said, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't expect me to lend it much credence

If Edm wants Hamonic, the cost will be extreme. He is not my idea of an ideal number 1, more a solid number 2 guy but is a solid defensive player, great skater, huge minute muncher & when deployed in an offensive role which has been very rare in NYI, he has produced. When you factor in his very favorable contract the cost is almost unbearable. He seriously meets a need in Edmonton. His skill set is exactly 1 of the things missing in Edmonton at D.

Your not getting him for Hall straight up. Other assets would have to change hands & I do not see Edmonton moving Hall regardless. Snow has been very clear he wants a similar Dman back. Other than the cap savings why would any other team do that. Eberle, Davidsson & some other asset might get it done. With Okposo a UFA Eberle makes sense for NYI. Davidsson is a significant down grade but young by NHL standards, games played & looks to have a bright future, with Eberle & some other asset may get it done.

NYI might not like Eberles 6 million cap hit for only 3 more years. Might NYI not just be better served to resign Okposo at similar money & get 6 plus years instead & look at moving Hamonic else where.

If Edm wants Hamonic, the cost will be extreme. He is not my idea of an ideal number 1, more a solid number 2 guy but is a solid defensive player, great skater, huge minute muncher & when deployed in an offensive role which has been very rare in NYI, he has produced. When you factor in his very favorable contract the cost is almost unbearable. He seriously meets a need in Edmonton. His skill set is exactly 1 of the things missing in Edmonton at D.

Your not getting him for Hall straight up. Other assets would have to change hands & I do not see Edmonton moving Hall regardless. Snow has been very clear he wants a similar Dman back. Other than the cap savings why would any other team do that. Eberle, Davidsson & some other asset might get it done. With Okposo a UFA Eberle makes sense for NYI. Davidsson is a significant down grade but young by NHL standards, games played & looks to have a bright future, with Eberle & some other asset may get it done.

NYI might not like Eberles 6 million cap hit for only 3 more years. Might NYI not just be better served to resign Okposo at similar money & get 6 plus years instead & look at moving Hamonic else where.
- striker777

So many smart Isles fans in here today...

MDC isn't even an NHL player. Not saying Reinhart is but at least he has played some NHL games and produced over 0 pts in the AHL...

Comparing MDC to anyone who has played a regular season NHL game is more along the lines of completely deluded than completely analogous, especially considering MDC might never make it past the AHL at all.
- RonPielep

The only flaw in comparing Reinhart to MDC is that we already know that Reinhart sucks at the pro level while MDC just arrived in the AHL last weekend and so there is still plenty of plausible hope there.

The only flaw in comparing Reinhart to MDC is that we already know that Reinhart sucks at the pro level while MDC just arrived in the AHL last weekend and so there is still plenty of plausible hope there.
- Snowblind

K

Minnesota might be a better trade partner than NYI for a Dman. Its very possible Eberle & RNH both go to potentially address the holes at D in 2 separate trades but not certain RNH even though a center has more appeal to teams that might move a Dman than Eberle.

Goligoski would be a great UFA acquisition for any team. Great 2 way Dman that can be had for nothing more than cash & being Russian might be willing to sign in Edmonton. Even with all the young talent in Edmonton & another stud player coming this seasons draft Edmonton isn't an appealing destination for players as UFAs.

Ideally Edm would add 1 solid Dman as a UFA & move RNH plus futures to acquire the other keeping Hall & Eberle. Perhaps Yakupov goes in that deal as a sweetener with RNH but Yaks value is not any where near where he was drafted currently. Not sure he would garner much more than a mid 2nd round pick at this point. Ideally Edmonton would have tried to raise his value giving him quality ice time & power play time as opposed to burying him down the depth chart on the 3rd & 4th lines this season. Talk about depreciating an asset.

Minnesota might be a better trade partner than NYI for a Dman. Its very possible Eberle & RNH both go to potentially address the holes at D in 2 separate trades but not certain RNH even though a center has more appeal to teams that might move a Dman than Eberle.

Goligoski would be a great UFA acquisition for any team. Great 2 way Dman that can be had for nothing more than cash & being Russian might be willing to sign in Edmonton. Even with all the young talent in Edmonton & another stud player coming this seasons draft Edmonton isn't an appealing destination for players as UFAs.

Ideally Edm would add 1 solid Dman as a UFA & move RNH plus futures to acquire the other keeping Hall & Eberle. Perhaps Yakupov goes in that deal as a sweetener with RNH but Yaks value is not any where near where he was drafted currently. Not sure he would garner much more than a mid 2nd round pick at this point. Ideally Edmonton would have tried to raise his value giving him quality ice time & power play time as opposed to burying him down the depth chart on the 3rd & 4th lines this season. Talk about depreciating an asset.
- striker777

Brodin is interesting no doubt. And they probably covet a centre..

Thing about hamonic is he asked for a trade. And edm is one of his potential destinations. Love to have him but again, he asked for a trade. And as much as I really like him, I don't think the cost would be extreme depending on your definition. I'd consider eberle + something marginal. Nuge maybe straight up or hopefully get something marginal added in. Even the first I'd consider. But who knows really what's going on with that.

Don't mind the addition of goligoski either. But he has to be the insulating/2nd defensive acquisition. He can't be our primary addition or we're (frank)ed.

As far as yaks, if we deal ebs, I'm sorting hoping we keep him despite his clear and obvious flaws. But I don't think he's been treated unfairly at all

I cant believe this stupid blogger thinks 2 1st Overall picks, a 3rd Overall pick, and another top 5 pick are worth lots. What an idiot.

We`ll stand pat. Cannot trade 1st rounders with potential besides, we can draft good D with one of our 1st overall picks over the next 8 years under PCs new rebuild
- cdjaakkola

Please shove a steak knife up your Richard hole

I cant believe this stupid blogger thinks 2 1st Overall picks, a 3rd Overall pick, and another top 5 pick are worth lots. What an idiot.
- Matt_Henderson

Homer





On a side note, two of;

Hamonic/brodin
and
Shattenkirk/trouba

And I'll be in a good mood and a pleasure to deal with all Summer

I cant believe this stupid blogger thinks a hotdog is a sandwich. What an idiot.
- Matt_Henderson

You monster

I cant believe this stupid blogger thinks 2 1st Overall picks, a 3rd Overall pick, and another top 5 pick are worth lots. What an idiot.
- Matt_Henderson

Apparently LA would only have to give up Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli.

With expansion right around the corner Chiarelli sh-- the bed trading for Reinhart. Giving up the 16th & 33rd picks in 2015 for a player that you might not protect in expansion doesn't make any sense to me. I hated that trade then & like it even less now. It wreaks of desperation. Swing & a miss. Snow fleeced Chiarelli & Edmonton is even more desperate now so if Edmonton trades for Hamonic I see them fleecing him again.

What I find odd is if Hamonic requested a trade last off season why didn't Edmonton make that deal happen then for Hamonic instead of Reinhart. It would have cost more than the picks alone but they were in discussions for a Dman!

That leads me to extrapolate that Chiarelli was clueless as to the state of this team. All this change. Nicholson replaces Lowe; how is he still involved with the Oilers, no person is more responsible for this mess than Kevin Lowe, Chiarelli in as GM, a new shinny coach in McLellan, McDavid & Edmonton finishes 29th overall.

Sure the future looks bright. Its looked bright for what is it now, year 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 of the rebuild! I get confused very easily with math. Hell the NHL has changed the lottery rules not once but twice because Edmonton has picked to high to often & if they win again the will be changed again as the other 29 teams in the league are sick of it.

Apparently LA would only have to give up Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli.
- ReveenV2

Because oilers