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Razzdazzle1
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.17.2015

Apr 26 @ 7:28 PM ET


Oilers should keep their team the same. No need to panic and trade another Gretzky. They should just focus on adding more forwards at the draft. It's working!


HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 7:29 PM ET
looking now ufa's and jaden swartz... david backes
- derm10

They'll reup schwartz for sure. So good


Letting backes walk is a substantial savings.

Offer the first and a small salary dump for ks, that's another big savings for them.

If I were st.loo I'd really try to resign shats, but as that other buddy said, parayko gives them way more flexibility.


DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Apr 26 @ 7:34 PM ET
Suck it Alfie, you will post in here eventually you god damn Mouth Breather
ConnorMcDaigle
Calgary Flames
Location: Bustville, On.
Joined: 06.24.2015

Apr 26 @ 7:35 PM ET
There really isn't a trade the Oilers can make. They already have all of the best players in the league..... Wow. You all are (frank)ed in the head if you think like your blogger.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Apr 26 @ 7:37 PM ET
SUCK IT FATMARSH!!!!!
- smellmyfinger


no!!!!!!
Snowblind
New York Islanders
Joined: 03.08.2014

Apr 26 @ 7:38 PM ET
Have you Oilers fans ever considered the possibility that maybe you are the crazy ones and not everybody else?

McDonagh really does have more value than Hall because of his position, salary and the fact that he is by far the best skater on a team that has had some success in recent years. That goes doubly so for McDonagh vs. RNH. If the Oilers lose the lottery trading the pick and Nuge for McDonagh and change isn't too far-fetched at all, only unless rosterbation is still more important than winning hockey games.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 7:40 PM ET
There really isn't a trade the Oilers can make. They already have all of the best players in the league..... Wow. You all are (frank)ed in the head if you think like your blogger.
- ConnorMcDaigle
so your comprehension of the blog was "the oilers have all the best players in the league and they shouldn't make a trade of any kind?"

Connor mcdaigle?

Yeah, I'll pass on paying heed to your opinions
Buggy166
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 08.01.2007

Apr 26 @ 7:41 PM ET
the best thing that could happen to the rest of the NHL is the Oilers not making any trades.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 7:43 PM ET
Have you Oilers fans ever considered the possibility that maybe you are the crazy ones and not everybody else?

McDonagh really does have more value than Hall because of his position, salary and the fact that he is by far the best skater on a team that has had some success in recent years. That goes doubly so for McDonagh vs. RNH. If the Oilers lose the lottery trading the pick and Nuge for McDonagh and change isn't too far-fetched at all, only unless rosterbation is still more important than winning hockey games.

- Snowblind


I won't speak for anyone else, but personally, I've never considered that possibility cause I'm awesome. And never wrong

HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 7:47 PM ET
"Trading away two of our most valuable assets for a left handed defencemen might not be prudent cause we're relatively strong on that side going forward" is read as " we won't trade anyone cause we're the best ever and don't need anything "

Never change hockeybuzz posters. Never change
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Apr 26 @ 7:55 PM ET


Am I the only one who thinks NY should be adding in terms of a trade involving Hall for Mcdonaugh?

Hall "Plus" for Mcdonaugh sounds terrible.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 8:06 PM ET
Am I the only one who thinks NY should be adding in terms of a trade involving Hall for Mcdonaugh?

Hall "Plus" for Mcdonaugh sounds terrible.

- classic321

It's debateable depending on how good u think McDonagh is. (He's really Effin good imo) and maybe he is higher on the totem pole in pure value.
But hall AND potentially laune or pulujarvi? (frank) no.

And at the end of the day, it was just more about our desperation for right handed defenders, not lefties. Which we have a pretty solid stable of ( klefbom, sekera, nurse, Davidson)

it's kinda funny cause if someone said we should trade our valuable assets for a left winger, people would flip out cause we don't need that position. But not wanting to trade for another position we don't neccesarily need makes us crazy

#hockeybuzzlogic
Snowblind
New York Islanders
Joined: 03.08.2014

Apr 26 @ 8:33 PM ET
"Trading away two of our most valuable assets for a left handed defencemen might not be prudent cause we're relatively strong on that side going forward" is read as " we won't trade anyone cause we're the best ever and don't need anything "

Never change hockeybuzz posters. Never change

- HB77


Saying the Oilers are stocked with LH D because of you have:

Sekera, a good 2nd pairing-caliber journeyman;
Klefbom, who played about 30 games last year and still isn't skating;
Nurse, a good prospect;
Reinhart, a middling prospect;

is like the Isles saying they don't need Hall because they already have Anders Lee, Cal Clutterbuck, Allan Quine and Michael Dal Colle at LW.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Apr 26 @ 8:36 PM ET
They'll reup schwartz for sure. So good


Letting backes walk is a substantial savings.

Offer the first and a small salary dump for ks, that's another big savings for them.

If I were st.loo I'd really try to resign shats, but as that other buddy said, parayko gives them way more flexibility.

- HB77


Blues don't need to dump salary in a trade involving Shatty. Have 10m + whatever cap goes up to resign RFA Schwartz, plus a third liner & a few 4th liners.

More likely is something like Shattenkirk + Berglund for Hall + 2017 first (if Shatty resigns) or 2017 2nd (if he doesn't).
2centz
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 08.04.2015

Apr 26 @ 8:38 PM ET
I would trade Hall and Davidson for Alex Pietrangelo all day long...
But using our best trade pieces for another LHD is plain simple,and so are the people that suggest such a move. Oiler fans aren't overvaluing their prospects and players,they are simply recognizing the teams need for a stud RHD,and that it will take one of their gems to acquire it.
PS. How does Mr.Brooks even have a job in hockey?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 26 @ 8:44 PM ET
It's debateable depending on how good u think McDonagh is. (He's really Effin good imo) and maybe he is higher on the totem pole in pure value.
But hall AND potentially laune or pulujarvi? (frank) no.

And at the end of the day, it was just more about our desperation for right handed defenders, not lefties. Which we have a pretty solid stable of ( klefbom, sekera, nurse, Davidson)

it's kinda funny cause if someone said we should trade our valuable assets for a left winger, people would flip out cause we don't need that position. But not wanting to trade for another position we don't neccesarily need makes us crazy

#hockeybuzzlogic

- HB77

To be fair, Henderson words it horribly (for hits, I assume) and tries to pass off all Edmonton's asset as infallible while painting other team's assets into a box that biasedly represents that player's value. That's what I think most of these people are reacting to.

On an aside, I think too much is made of the whole LHD RHD issue. Sure it's better for balancing reasons, but at the end of the day, if we have a chance to acquire a LHD at the level of McDonagh and we refuse because we're to busy pursuing RHD options, I would sh!t a brick. I get the pursuit of the perfect fit, but how many otherwise good to great players have many of us here passed on because they weren't the perfect fit? Stralman is a big one that comes to mind. The old adage "beggars can't be choosers" holds SOME truth.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 8:46 PM ET
Saying the Oilers are stocked with LH D because of you have:

Sekera, a good 2nd pairing-caliber journeyman;
Klefbom, who played about 30 games last year and still isn't skating;
Nurse, a good prospect;
Reinhart, a middling prospect;

is like the Isles saying they don't need Hall because they already have Anders Lee, Cal Clutterbuck, Allan Quine and Michael Dal Colle at LW.

- Snowblind


I think we're actually fairly comfortable in the left side.

I think you underestimate sekera substantially. Really good 2nd pairing guy. And if he's insulated properly, I think he can be even better. The term "journeyman" is disingenuous in this instance. It's connotations don't represent the player he is at all imo.

Klefbom being injured this year doesn't truly hurt the caliber of player he is. I'm obviously assuming him healthy, but he's the goods imo. He was missed hugely.


Nurse is a bluechipper with some flaws that got exposed by getting thrown to the wolves, but a bluechipper with top pairing potential nonetheless.

And don't forget Davidson. He's a beaut. One of the most positive things that came out of this mess of a year. Again, add some right handers in the top 4 and place him in a 3rd pairing role with the ability to move up for injuries and we're stoked

And yeah, I don't equate your comparison to your left side at all. But we've been through this before. I've read your blind vitriol pertaining to the oilers. You're entitled to it I guess. Just don't expect me to give it much credence
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 26 @ 8:47 PM ET
I would trade Hall and Davidson for Alex Pietrangelo all day long...
But using our best trade pieces for another LHD is plain simple,and so are the people that suggest such a move. Oiler fans aren't overvaluing their prospects and players,they are simply recognizing the teams need for a stud RHD,and that it will take one of their gems to acquire it.
PS. How does Mr.Brooks even have a job in hockey?

- 2centz

I'd go as high as Hall and Nurse for Pietro and say (frank) everyone who disagreed with me Then again, I value Pietro VERY (almost TOO) highly so I can see why people would disagree with me on that one. Just imagine how he would completely revamp our D
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Apr 26 @ 8:49 PM ET
Yeah & if we prorate RNH's points this year he would have had 50 or the lock out season 48. Unfortunately the NHL doesn't prorate games, they have each team play 82. Part of the trick & value of a player is his ability to stay healthy & play at a high level game in game out.

Prorated. What a joke. Meaningless dribble.

RNH has 5 years in league, 313 regular season games. His best season ever he had 56 points, he accomplished that twice getting 1st line ice time & power play time with the best players Edmonton could put on the ice with him. Hall, Eberle, etc.

The fact he's played 5 seasons & still cant make the right mental decisions defensively is shocking. Although he is not alone on this team.

I have seen allot of Edm games live being a seasons ticket holder in the last 15 years. All of RNHs with a few exceptions. When people say he is a good 2 way center it leaves me speechless. Good 2 way centers do not miss that many assignments as often as RNH does.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 26 @ 8:53 PM ET
Saying the Oilers are stocked with LH D because of you have:

Sekera, a good 2nd pairing-caliber journeyman;
Klefbom, who played about 30 games last year and still isn't skating;
Nurse, a good prospect;
Reinhart, a middling prospect;

is like the Isles saying they don't need Hall because they already have Anders Lee, Cal Clutterbuck, Allan Quine and Michael Dal Colle at LW.

- Snowblind

Not quite and somewhat exaggerated, but I see your general point. I agree that they just need to improve by whatever means and that handedness shouldn't stop them from acquiring legit top quality Dmen, but despite what Hendo says, most of us are more of the mind to pursue the better fit (RHD) before "settling"- for lack of a better term- on another LHD when your left side of the present and future seems adequate to strong.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Apr 26 @ 8:54 PM ET
Saying the Oilers are stocked with LH D because of you have:

Sekera, a good 2nd pairing-caliber journeyman;
Klefbom, who played about 30 games last year and still isn't skating;
Nurse, a good prospect;
Reinhart, a middling prospect;

is like the Isles saying they don't need Hall because they already have Anders Lee, Cal Clutterbuck, Allan Quine and Michael Dal Colle at LW.

- Snowblind




Thanks for once again explaining to us all exactly where you are on the spectrum.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Apr 26 @ 8:56 PM ET
Yeah & if we prorate RNH's points this year he would have had 50 or the lock out season 48. Unfortunately the NHL doesn't prorate games, they have each team play 82. Part of the trick & value of a player is his ability to stay healthy & play at a high level game in game out.

Prorated. What a joke. Meaningless dribble.

RNH has 5 years in league, 313 regular season games. His best season ever he had 56 points, he accomplished that twice getting 1st line ice time & power play time with the best players Edmonton could put on the ice with him. Hall, Eberle, etc.

The fact he's played 5 seasons & still cant make the right mental decisions defensively is shocking. Although he is not alone on this team.

I have seen allot of Edm games live being a seasons ticket holder in the last 15 years. All of RNHs with a few exceptions. When people say he is a good 2 way center it leaves me speechless. Good 2 way centers do not miss that many assignments as often as RNH does.

- striker777

Believe when I agree his two-way is overrated by Oiler fans, but a lot of missed assignments can be chalked up just as to his team mates and the miscast Dmen losing their proper positioning or picking up the wrong guy.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 8:57 PM ET
To be fair, Henderson words it horribly (for hits, I assume) and tries to pass off all Edmonton's asset as infallible while painting other team's assets into a box that biasedly represents that player's value. That's what I think most of these people are reacting to.

On an aside, I think too much is made of the whole LHD RHD issue. Sure it's better for balancing reasons, but at the end of the day, if we have a chance to acquire a LHD at the level of McDonagh and we refuse because we're to busy pursuing RHD options, I would sh!t a brick. I get the pursuit of the perfect fit, but how many otherwise good to great players have many of us here passed on because they weren't the perfect fit? Stralman is a big one that comes to mind. The old adage "beggars can't be choosers" holds SOME truth.

- MaximumBone


For me, this just came down to halls value. I stated fairly clearly that I believe nuge isn't worth McDonagh. But I think in many cases in this thread the haters did nothing different than Matt. They equate halls value in with "oiler value" and wanna lump him in with nuge/ebs. That isn't reality imo.
But to be honest, are you implying that if Matt was more careful in his wording, the thread wouldn'tve been inundated with oiler hate ?
Yeah, no. I won't take that leap with you

And neither do I totally disagree on the handedness argument. I've always downplayed it. But this still shouldn't suggest it's not ideal to look for the perfect fit first and foremost. If McDonagh was on the table, there's no doubt in my mind that chiarelli considers it. But I'm also hoping he considers other defenders that can potentially help as much AND fill bigger needs AND potentially cost less

And neither is this at all unrealistic that he can do so
AlEx_OiL
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Machu Picchu, AB
Joined: 02.28.2011

Apr 26 @ 9:02 PM ET
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:02 PM ET


Thanks for once again explaining to us all exactly where you are on the spectrum.

- RonPielep

It's either exaggeration to Furthur a point (par for the course here at hockeybuzz) or a lack of knowledge of the group the oilers have on the left side imo
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