Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: John Jaeckel: So 'It' Ends
Author Message
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
He will probably get something in and around 2 mil.
- breadbag


If he can only pull $2mil on the open market, does StanBo offer him a deal in that range?
Pocho1956
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Leon
Joined: 07.13.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:40 AM ET
Sorry for having to even look at the length of this post, but it'll be the last one.

Like Savvy and many others have said, focusing on the past isn't going to do anything, because the only reality we ever have is the now...so what do the Hawks do now? Well, the first thing they can do is LEARN FROM THE PAST, and don't repeat mistakes. There are UNDENIABLY good players (like Brouwer, Leddy, Vermette, Weise, etc.) that have been run out of town by Q...and most of these guys were young, with big upsides...and because the Hawks tried to repeat this season, you can now add guys like Dano and Danault to this list (plus a bunch of 1sts and 2nds over the past 3 years).

In return for all these trades the Hawks got prospects (with few of them ever getting a sniff from the big club), low picks and RENTALS. Not the stuff of longevity. But again, that's the past and all that matters is now. So, for a 2nd time, how are the Hawks going to address these mistakes, biases and chances? Big trades, Free Agency, European players, US College FAs? Let's look at the first one, a big trade. It can't/won't happen because the only players of value that the Hawks can trade, can't be traded, either because they are core players or players nobody would take because of the age, drop off in play and salary Cap. So you can scratch that "answer". But what about Teravainen you ask? What would the return be? A top 4 DMan, or a young, #5 DMan with a chance of becoming a top 4 guy? No chance. When you look at TT's size, lack of interest in a physical game and his ACTUAL STATS, no team would make this move without help. As Rick said, you can also forget TT becoming an NHL Centre any time soon. The Hawks are located in the WC, in the Central Division, playing for Cups every season...he's too weak to contribute in that role when it would count the most. The RW is Teravainen's destination, and the Hawks had better hope he can make it there in a Top 6 capacity, because they traded away most of their other top 6 talent.

Free Agency? Likely, but only in a limited role, as JJ identified perfectly, the Hawks don't possess a lot of desirable players that are available to the traded. The Hawks will need a decent, reliable guy to solidify the 3rd pairing...EXACTLY like they should have done last summer. The signing of Rozy was lunacy (after his 2014 and 2015 seasons)...everyone knew what was going to happen with Rozy, even if the Hawks gave his ankle extra time to heal (which they did). He didn't dress in the final 3 playoff games because he was WORSE than David Runblad...and that says a lot! How about a big Free Agent? Not a chance. The Hawks won't even be able to afford either Ladd or Weise after they lock up Andrew Shaw. And make no mistake about it, Shaw has become one of the most important players on this hockey club...he isn't going ANYWHERE! They will need to add one more veteran forward, and I think that Fleischmann would be a solid choice because he would accept something close to the league minimum, he fits the Hawk's system well, he now knows the system and prior to the playoffs, he was one of the Hawks best wingers. He's got size, speed, heart, and flexibility. He's a good Centre should the need arise (very much like Desi, who has one more year on his solid deal).

Europeans and College FAs? Who knows? Bowman is apparently after the top European DMan interested in coming to the NHL, and the top College FA. Maybe these players will help? Again, who knows. Promotions from Rockford? What else can this team do? Q and the fans have slammed Gus, but he did well early before being jerked around by the coaching staff...he has the ability to help the Hawks in a meaningful way, because he's already done it over a significant stretch. He simply needs coaching, confidence, and some time. Svedberg? He was a lot better this season than he had the right to be, so with a lot of coaching to improve his decision making process, he could stick...he certainly possesses a lot of natural abilities. Pokka? He's intriguing because his 2nd half in Rockford (when everyone else on that team forgot how to play defence) was very good...just like his 1st half in Rockford last year. He's got the size/strength, patience and decision making skills to stick...as long as he coached, and shown patience!

IMO, the Hawks are NOT nearly as bad as most people here want to believe. Some things happened towards the end of the season that brought a lot of hope and brightness to the Hawks for next season. One, TVR lasted an entire season, and while he had his ebbs and flows, he was more than decent, and kept getting better. In fact, I would argue that his series against the Blues was BETTER than those of Keith and Seabrook. The longer summer break will help Keith, Seabrook and Hammer...the best top 3 in hockey...and with TVR's progression and experience, there's NO REASON to not see him as our #4 guy moving forward...capable of being as effective as Johnny Oduya given the time and help.

Two, Hossa quietly and effectively slid down the roster to the 3rd line...and low and behold, he Kruger and Ladd were a hit! Now, how would that line look next season with Ladd gone, replaced by Shaw??? Nice freaking line, that could shut down any top opponent in the league, and generate some offence (besides all helping on Special Teams). Three, Richard Panik showed that he wasn't just a decent player, that in fact, the kid possesses a lot of abilities, and with his speed, playmaking, and ability to forecheck and hit, he's a top 6 forward in CHI moving forward. And kudos have to be given to Bowman for acquiring him as it cost nothing, and the guy is a "Hossa-like" player with youth, speed, size and a dynamic game. He and Panarin were absolute must additions for the Hawks, and give the team hope moving forward. Four, Dennis Rasmussen is a player. There is no question about this, and in fact he even shows an offensive game waiting to breakout. With the money paid to Kruger, its time for him to become the permanent 3rd line Centre...but what fortune to trade Danault and still have Rasmussen to guide the 4th line. Big advantage Blackhawks. And five, late in the season it became evident that Panarin could produce consistently WITHOUT having to have Patrick Kane as his RW. Certainly they possess a chemistry together that would be nice to maintain, but I don't think the Hawks can afford this luxury any longer.

So, what do the Hawks need? It's not goaltending. Crawford has his best season yet, zero issues. Plus, Scott Darling showed that all he needed was more game time...Crow also demonstrated that he needed less. Problem solved. How about the forwards, a problem? I don't think so, in fact depending on how the situation is handled, it should be a team strength. There are two keys to the forwards, one is Teravainen (as discussed) and the other is the Head Coach (more to come). So, it must be defence that's the major problem...and I don't see it. With a rested Keith, Seabrook and Hammer, adding TVR makes a STRONG top 4...not a problem. So it's the 3rd pairing. All the Hawks possess right now are Gus, Sved, Runblad (because Bowman gave him a 2 year deal) and Pokka. That's not good enough, but not awful either. What they don't need is another BS decision to bring back a "trusted veteran". Rozy was done 2 seasons ago. All the Hawks need is sign or trade for a solid, consistent DMan (young or old) that can play 70 games and skate 15-18 minutes a night. This is NOT difficult for Bowman to achieve. He should have/could have done it last summer, but instead he RUSHED out to re-sign both Runblad and Rozy...and those were AWFUL decisions. Again, this is not an area as weak as some perceive it to be...Bowman just needs to do his job and it won't be a problem as it has been for the last 3 seasons!

So, its not looking bad at all. And in fact, here are my lines for next season:


Panik-Toews-Kane (you know this line will produce)
Panarin-Anisimov-Teravainen (potentially lethal, but it rides with TT)
Shaw-Kruger-Hossa (you know this line will produce results)
Desi-Rasmussen-Fleisch (Hartman/McNeil/Scmaltz/Motte) (Solid, flexible, predictable)

Keith-Seabrook (if rested/healthy best pairing in league)
Hammer-TVR (gets both guys on their "right" sides, very solid to good)
FA Vet DMan-Gus/Sved/Pokka (the key being the Vet DMan, but potential)

Crawford/Darling (Rock solid)

The good news? That lineup is capable of beating ANY team in a 7 game series and will fit under the Cap (with Bickell gone). Plus, its a good balance of youth and veteran players with lots of leadership. What more can hockey fans ask for, really?

Now the bad news...first, that lineup is capable of being beaten by ANY other NHL playoff team in a 7 game series. You see, the fact of the matter is, by missing with his moves this summer, the Salary Cap has finally taken away any EDGE the Hawks may have had over the rest of the league. The loss of Sharp and Stephen Johns for essentially NOTHING in return was the killer blow, but also losing Dano and Danault for NOTHING as well (plus losing more 1st and 2nd round picks) sealed the Hawks fate as Cap casualties. So ALL OF US just need to get used to the fact that the Hawks have a chance at winning the Cup just like say 11 other teams do as well. That's it. But there's more bad news, and this part few people here want to acknowledge, but not to do so is akin to the ostrich putting its head into the ground.

The Hawks have a serious rift between the Coaches and the Mgt. that has cost this team a LOAD of talent and youth for now and in the future. There are a literal ton of examples, but one need go no further than the Danault trade. Phil Danault is a winner...he's the kind of player like an Andrew Shaw. He makes the players around him better, and does whatever it takes to win. He's gone because the Hawk's TEAM deemed it was better to have Tomas Fleischmann and Dale Weise instead. And while the existence of Dennis Rasmussen may allow the Hawks to "get away" with this blunder, it more importantly unveiled this rift for everyone to see. So, what's going to happen? Contrary to some here who don't take the time to actually read the posts, I do not favour one over the other. I don't care who is "better" or more important than the other! Q or Bowman, I have no dog in this fight. All I care about is that they FINALLY get on the same bloody page once and for all. Either one of them should go, or they MUST start working together this summer because this team has run out of "2nd chances". There are no more easy fixes to "cover up" blunders. If the Hawks have to go forward with two of Gus, Sved and Pokka, then Q needs to show patience and COACH these kids into becoming smart, confident players, not "fraidy-cats" looking over their shoulders. If the Hawks resign both Panik and Shaw, plus decide to keep Teravainen then there is NO ROLE on this team for Brandon Mashinter, the guy who can't turn on his skates. Its time for McNeil and Hartman to be given this opportunity. Add these kids to say Rasmussen and Desi/Fleischmann, and the Hawks would have a good 4th line that could play a variety of roles.

Schmaltz and Motte progressed further than the Hawks had the right to expect; thus, both guys will be signed to PRO contracts and given the chance to contribute. There is reason to be optimistic. The core is still the best (most experienced) in hockey, but they can't be waylaid at the pass by the MGT any longer. They need help, THROUGH THE SEASON, so that they're not worn out come playoff time. And I will leave you all with this final thought...with the deepest group of NHL forwards Coach Q rolled 4 lines for an extended period only once during the season. That resulted in a 12 game winning streak, the trading of Garbutt, the ignoring of Sekac, and the introduction of Mashinter to a full time roll. With Mashinter in the lineup this season the Hawks were a .520 hockey team, without him in the lineup, they were a .690 hockey team. A playoff lineup without Mashinter/Rozy and with Panik/Weise/Gus would have won the STL series if they were employed from game one. The Coaches and the MGT need to get on the same page, once and for all, and decide what kind of team they are going to be, and then live with the results! Take care.

- MexicoHawk


Geez Mex. you out did yourself, this time .
Thats quite a writeup. Man, your insight and opinions ( along with JJ and some others) are what keeps me stuck on this page.

Totally agree with it, its through and precise. Hawks were a couple of inches from advancing. Now, at the same time how far would they haved advanced ? I for one enjoy reading all your blogs, no matter if theyre a little shorter than a mystry novel.

Your opinion on the rift between Mgt and Coaching is dead on. It became so evident during this year that, in my opinion, it was the mayor factor for us bowing out in the first round. THEY MUST BE ON THE SAME PAGE, FOR IT (WINDOW OPEN) TO CONTINUE.

I thank you and all the other bloggers for all the great insight and info, over the last few years, it has been a blast. After going through 60s and 70s, the darkages, watching and listening to Blackhawk Hockey, this my friend is truely the golden era of our beloved teem.

Finally let me add, I too have been living it up (just as you) in Mexico the last couple of decades in Leon Guanajuato, a city in the central part of the country.
So, keep up the good work, Im out........
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:40 AM ET
If he can only pull $2mil on the open market, does StanBo offer him a deal in that range?
- EnzoD


That'd be a good time for Q and StanBo to be on the same page about Weise's playing time.
kinigitt
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: kahnawake, QC
Joined: 11.16.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:41 AM ET
OK, slow down.

Kruger was replaced by Shaw a lot on his weak side last year and this year before the injury.

Who here has had surgery on anything and the area felt "right" 6 months later? Not me.

Nerves takes up to a year to fully regenerate. Kruger with—as some are alleging—his arm hanging off was 49% in the playoffs. Not great, not terrible, and he was really only just back form surgery.

Relax.

Also, while there is some confusion about when Kruger's NTC kicks in, the notion of this team trading him after the "odyssey" he went through last summer is far-fetched. Further, even if he were "damaged goods" (which I kinda doubt long term), then who's trading for him.

Like I said, come back from the ledge.

- John Jaeckel


In June, it will have been 2 years since I got a micro-fracture in my wrist and a partially severed tendon on the thumb side of my forearm.

I didn't have surgery. They told me there was nothing to do for it but take it easy and do light physio.

I had to change professions in the mean-time (auto mechanic) to something less intensive.

ONLY NOW, almost 2 years later, could I say I feel comfortable with it. It's never going to be as strong, but my body compensates sub-consciously so I manage just fine. Good thing it's my right and I'm a lefty.

But Kruger is a pro athlete, with the best physio/medical science there is to offer. Who knows what kind of miracles they can work.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Apr 28 @ 11:43 AM ET
TT still is very young and at his price tag there will be considerable interest.
- Al


That's the point. There are two separate issues. If you have to add, you need to create cap room. But you may also need to offer an asset that brings value in return.

And you can accomplish both in separate moves. Perhaps more than 2 separate moves.

So TT is not ideal (nor is TVR) because their present salaries are not boat anchors, but they are attractive (and bring value in return) for the two reasons you lay out: promising or good, and cheap.

You create the cap room with another move or two.

Not saying who they should deal, just pointing out who they might have to deal.

333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:45 AM ET
JJ, I figured the Hawks have about $6 mill in cap space, assuming a $74 mill cap, for 6 roster spots if Bickell gets bought out and if Scuderi retires (assuming his hit really goes off the books if he does so). It would probably mean Shaw is gone, unless his camp was able and willing to work the numbers as happened with Kruger. I have to think that Stanley has made contingency plans with Shaw, just as he did with Saad.

Anyway, I'm not ready to panic, unless my numbers are way off.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:45 AM ET
Well, I think that is tough to gauge, until we find out a cap #. We all know the Hawks are likely to be very thrifty right now, but a swing in where the cap lands one way or another could make a huge difference.

That and I assume Weise isn't the top priority on the list for Stan. Probably Shaw and a couple other pieces like what they do with Bickell may dictate what they do.

Weise is definitely a nice guy to keep if possible, but he is UFA so it may come down to where he wants to land or even just how much term he wants. Maybe the Hawks can retain him if they are flexible.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:46 AM ET
Hey if someone wants Weise at even $3 million per, they can have him. He's a fourth line player on a good team.
- John Jaeckel

And not every night, either.

But according to some people, Q was healthy scratching Cam Neely, Jarri Kurri and Guy Lafleur all rolled into one.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:49 AM ET
And not every night, either.

But according to some people, Q was healthy scratching Cam Neely, Jarri Kurri and Guy Lafleur all rolled into one.

- RickJ


Very hyperbolic, Rick. I'd argue that people were upset with Q scratching a legit NHL bottom 6 Power Forward for an AHL goon, not a lab creation of 3 HOF players into 1.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Apr 28 @ 11:52 AM ET
I look at three pivotal moves the last two summers:

Leddy, Saad, Sharp/Johns.

What do the Hawks have to show for those three trades? Ville Pokka, Artem Anisimov and indirectly, (Jeremy Morin was re-acquired in the Saad deal) Richard Panik.

Overall, Stan is a net negative on those deals. Fairly substantially although he did save some cap room.

When i look at the deals form 2010-11, again, substantial cap savings, but pretty horrible net player return.

The thing about the trades of the last two summers is there is evidence he waited a LONG time to pull the trigger on Leddy and Sharp/Johns. And it is HARD to believe that he received lesser offers up to the point he dealt them in either case.

The problem with Bowman and this front office (post-Tallon) is they are slow to act and they have a reputation (deserved or not) throughout the NHL that they are difficult to trade with because they never seem to want to finalize anything for do value for value deals (which I have heard from both the Hawk organization and another NHL organization).

Interestingly, you can argue Anisimov, Dano and Morin were the best return of any of the three deals. The difference? Bowman and the FO KNEW he had to act quickly and take the best offer.

Maybe they learn from that and do the same this summer. If they wait, I believe 29 other GMs know you can wait them out and get them to cave for whatever they can get at the last minute (Sharp, Leddy, Bickell, etc).

And then they will talk about the Great Wave of Swedish D-Men coming, TT's brilliant offseason and becoming the Incredible Hulk, etc.

It's put up or shut up time for this FO.

- John Jaeckel


that is the reality of winning and giving more of your allotted $$$ to fewer players in a hard cap world...you eventually have to deleverage and sell...which means the value of those assets is going to be less and in a world of limited buyers and sellers facing the same issues means your return is going to be MUCH LESS...pretty simple.

$6 mil sharp via daley, garbutt, scuderi and erhoff = $5 mil in cap saving (still has scuderi next year for about 1mil); he did the hard way but he got the savings and that fits the return of MUCH LESS...throw in Johns makes the cap savings goal much more expensive...so it goes..

when you have to dump...you dont' get anything worth much in return...and if the hawks do decide to go bold and move a big salary like CC...don't cry when the return there is also MUCH LESS

if krugs is worth 3 mil per...my goodness shaw has to be in the 4 mil area....adios and good luck with that
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 28 @ 11:52 AM ET
Very hyperbolic, Rick. I'd argue that people were upset with Q scratching a legit NHL bottom 6 Power Forward for an AHL goon, not a lab creation of 3 HOF players into 1.
- EnzoD


I think we could both agree his contribution in the time he was a Blackhawk was much less than expected or hoped for. Clearly he didn't do anything to impress Q - who knows the reason why.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 28 @ 11:55 AM ET
In June, it will have been 2 years since I got a micro-fracture in my wrist and a partially severed tendon on the thumb side of my forearm.

I didn't have surgery. They told me there was nothing to do for it but take it easy and do light physio.

I had to change professions in the mean-time (auto mechanic) to something less intensive.

ONLY NOW, almost 2 years later, could I say I feel comfortable with it. It's never going to be as strong, but my body compensates sub-consciously so I manage just fine. Good thing it's my right and I'm a lefty.

But Kruger is a pro athlete, with the best physio/medical science there is to offer. Who knows what kind of miracles they can work.

- kinigitt


It can be very tough to tell how much he will recover long term, but at least he is only 25 (almost 26) and not 10 years older. He is on the right side of 30 for recovering a bit better and faster at least.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:56 AM ET
JJ, I figured the Hawks have about $6 mill in cap space, assuming a $74 mill cap, for 6 roster spots if Bickell gets bought out and if Scuderi retires (assuming his hit really goes off the books if he does so). It would probably mean Shaw is gone, unless his camp was able and willing to work the numbers as happened with Kruger. I have to think that Stanley has made contingency plans with Shaw, just as he did with Saad.

Anyway, I'm not ready to panic, unless my numbers are way off.

- 333inthe3rd


Scuds last year pays him $833K in real salary. I don't think he's going to get another contract again, so I'm doubting that he retires. I know I wouldn't.

EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 28 @ 11:57 AM ET
I think we could both agree his contribution in the time he was a Blackhawk was much less than expected or hoped for. Clearly he didn't do anything to impress Q - who knows the reason why.
- RickJ


We can certainly agree on that. Though, I think people here will be surprised how much he can get as a UFA. He had an outstanding season prior to his trade from MTL to CHI. Plenty of teams with lots of cap space that would slot him at 3LW. Anyway, the only playoff series I'm excited for is the Penguins-Capitals. Hopefully Ovi and Co don't let Sid, Geno+Letang carve them up.
pierregruska
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2013

Apr 28 @ 11:58 AM ET
My hope is the Vegas expansion solves our salary cap hell. Also, have seen a few places in the Canadian press that in connection with announcement of the expansion draft, the NHL will afford teams one additional free compliance buyout with no salary cap ramifications...

http://getyoursportsnews....17-who-is-going-to-vegas/
arps714
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 11:59 AM ET
After letting the dust settle, it looks like the hawks are very close to making deep runs for the Cup again. Just like in 2014/2015 cup runs, our best guys need to be our best guys. If that happens, we'll be rock solid with the continued development of the young guys. I'd say keep TT at RW, and all you need to do is try and resign Shaw and we'll be a good team next year.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Apr 28 @ 12:00 PM ET
I think they sign Shaw to a one-year cap-friendly deal this year with the plan that they WILL ship off a piece of the core at the end of next year in order to make room for a longer Shaw contract (a la Kruger) and room for Panarin's new contract when it kicks in.

Let Gus, Sved, and TVR have another year of development next year and see what they have in Schmaltz and Motte. Expect a first-round exit in 2017.

Then make final adjustments in summer of 2017 for a legitimate run in 2018.

EDIT: Evaluating next year may be more realistic after all the core members have a legitimate summer for the first time since 2012. I.E. - Does Hossa's offense pep up a bit? Does Seabrook improve his foot speed with rest and good off-season workout? Does TT put on some muscle and use it for hockey strength? If there are problems next year, you can't blame them on the core being totally gassed.

- DMChi2010


The problem with moving the core next year is who? HAmmer, Teows, and kane keith make really no sense. If you move them you are not going to compete for titles. Hossa cannot be moved because the cap recapture. so that leaves Seabs and Crow. Who thinks either would have more value next year then this? Crow is possible if he has another good year, but even if he drops a little his value will go down. Plus you can only keep 1 goalie for EXP draft. when guys get to 31-32 value go down and when you factor Seabs contract it could go down so much that he is not movable at all to anyone. The moved Bollig after he signed a new deal and we got a better return then all our recent trades other then maybe leddy. We tried to be the 1st team to repest and gutted our team doing it. We did not. Now time to be a GM that wants to be in the mix every year which is maximizing money and assets. We have a top ORG in regard to players wanting to play for. and we have Teows and Kane. And we have Q and ST history. If you keep adding untouchables then we are going to become the Bruins. good but not great team, not getting any better with no real opputrutinty to get better down the road.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Apr 28 @ 12:01 PM ET
That's the point. There are two separate issues. If you have to add, you need to create cap room. But you may also need to offer an asset that brings value in return.

And you can accomplish both in separate moves. Perhaps more than 2 separate moves.

So TT is not ideal (nor is TVR) because their present salaries are not boat anchors, but they are attractive (and bring value in return) for the two reasons you lay out: promising or good, and cheap.

You create the cap room with another move or two.

Not saying who they should deal, just pointing out who they might have to deal.

- John Jaeckel


I mentioned yesterday in interview...Best chance to deal Bickell is likely to package with TT and maybe +.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Apr 28 @ 12:04 PM ET
Hey if someone wants Weise at even $3 million per, they can have him. He's a fourth line player on a good team.
- John Jaeckel


Exactly. If Nordstrom is only worth $1.3, why in the hell would Dale Weise, who is 4 years older and only 26 more goals in 200 more games be worth $3 million+?
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Apr 28 @ 12:07 PM ET
We can certainly agree on that. Though, I think people here will be surprised how much he can get as a UFA. He had an outstanding season prior to his trade from MTL to CHI. Plenty of teams with lots of cap space that would slot him at 3LW. Anyway, the only playoff series I'm excited for is the Penguins-Capitals. Hopefully Ovi and Co don't let Sid, Geno+Letang carve them up.
- EnzoD

We"ll see what Weise can get on the open market in a year before there is an expansion draft (probably). I know I wouldn't go beyond $1.5M/year for him.

Actually would like to see a St.Louis / San Jose WCF, that would likely be a war.

But a STanley Cup between the Penguins and Dallas would probably be very wide open and exciting as hell.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 28 @ 12:09 PM ET
The Dynasty is 3 Cups in 6 seasons and 5 WCF in that time, all while navigating the salary cap. Anything else troll?
- EnzoD

not trolling i just think it's funny how panicky you are now that they lost.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 28 @ 12:11 PM ET
We"ll see what Weise can get on the open market in a year before there is an expansion draft (probably). I know I wouldn't go beyond $1.5M/year for him.

Actually would like to see a St.Louis / San Jose WCF, that would likely be a war.

But a STanley Cup between the Penguins and Dallas would probably be very wide open and exciting as hell.

- RickJ


I like Burns as a player and as an off-ice personality. Pavelski as a 7th round pick to Elite Captain is a great story as well so I'd be happy with a Sharks Stanley Cup victory. Are you also jumping on the Pittsburgh bandwagon?? I am still putting my money on Washington. Too much depth on both forward and defense for Pittsburgh to skate circles around them like they did to NYR. Also, Holtby > Murray, but the kid has been good.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 28 @ 12:13 PM ET
not trolling i just think it's funny how panicky you are now that they lost.
- Fountain-San


You pretty much exclusively post on this site to troll others. Regardless, I'd say I am frustrated, not panicked. Like I said, I can sleep well for the rest of my life if the Hawks never win another Cup. The last 7 years have been almost a fairy tale type of ride. I am frustrated at the missed opportunity of this season, but not panicked. Hawks will be a playoff team for the next 5 years, regardless of the moves StanBo makes. Whether or not they can win another Cup in that time will largely depend on how Stan tackles the Cap this summer and next.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Apr 28 @ 12:13 PM ET

If he can only pull $2mil on the open market, does StanBo offer him a deal in that range?
- EnzoD




That'd be a good time for Q and StanBo to be on the same page about Weise's playing time.
- DMChi2010


I'm not sure they're not on the same page, Weise played almost every game since we picked him up, just a couple of scratches. Usually in the 9:00 to 12:00 minutes range.

If JJ's right about him being a good fourth liner that seems about right to me.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 28 @ 12:15 PM ET
You pretty much exclusively post on this site to troll others. Regardless, I'd say I am frustrated, not panicked. Like I said, I can sleep well for the rest of my life if the Hawks never win another Cup. The last 7 years have been almost a fairy tale type of ride. I am frustrated at the missed opportunity of this season, but not panicked. Hawks will be a playoff team for the next 5 years, regardless of the moves StanBo makes. Whether or not they can win another Cup in that time will largely depend on how Stan tackles the Cap this summer and next.
- EnzoD

stanbo

Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46  Next