Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Dan Spiegel: The Pain Of Injustice
Author Message
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 25 @ 4:38 PM ET
Sounds as if no one really cares how pi$$ poor the officiating is as long as their team wins. Don't fix it if it ain't broke - and it ain't broke if my team wins.
Does the game suffer? Nah. It's just female doging and whining by poor losers. Yeah. Right.

- itwasin

Let's not pretend that Jussi Jokinen didn't try to put his water skiing skills on display getting towed behind Hamonic in the first. I doubt you're a passionate about that non-call as you are about the others.
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Apr 25 @ 4:39 PM ET
You can say it's not sour grapes as much as you like... but it just makes it come across even more so as simply Sour grapes!
Bad calls happen. Calls get missed.
Refs are human and are not perfect.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Apr 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
Here's the statistics regarding your gripe:

Islanders called for 15 penalties, Florida 21. Six more penalties called against Florida over the course of six games. That's an average of one more call against Florida per game.

Want to know where you lost this series? Islanders 5/21 on Power play (24%). Florida 2/15 on the power play (13%). Greiss' save percentage: .942 for the series. Luongo's? .926.

You can possess the puck all you want but it does you no good if you can't score. Even when the Panthers were getting power plays, they weren't converting. Greiss outplayed a very solid Luongo and the Isles converted on their special teams chances. Florida didn't. It was not the ref's fault Florida lost the series.
phxcyots22
Florida Panthers
Location: Charlotte, NC
Joined: 01.10.2012

Apr 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
The problem was the ridiculous amount of scoring opportunities that the Panthers could not convert. There were so many passes across the net that never were caught/shot, so many shots that fell just wide, and way too many 2-on-1's that resulted in a poor pass instead of just trying to snipe the net.

Yes, the officiating was terrible, but it did go both ways. Panthers were very close to winning game 5 on an OT penalty shot, don't forget this. If Barkov had made a move whatsoever, he may have scored (I was calling for Huberdeau, and was very upset Barkov got the chance).

The problem with the refs form the Panther side was the timing. There were equally bad calls all around (And also bad no-calls), but it just seemed the timing of the Panthers penalties were just brutal, which makes it seem more one sided.

In the end, it was the Panthers inability to score goals and close out games that was the problem. Maybe 2016 will bring Panthers fans 2 things: A) Much needed playoff experience for the young guys to finish and close games, and B) A blogger who doesn't whine every time the Panthers lose.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Apr 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
In 2012 it was the refs

It's the refs again

The panthers are a good team but they weren't good enough at even strength and had opportunities to win and pit our games away but didnt, thats on them not the refs
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
Dont worry you will make it next year champ. Keep that chin up until next and the officials screw you over again
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:44 PM ET
Here's the statistics regarding your gripe:

Islanders called for 15 penalties, Florida 21. Six more penalties called against Florida over the course of six games. That's an average of one more call against Florida per game.

Want to know where you lost this series? Islanders 5/21 on Power play (24%). Florida 2/15 on the power play (13%). Greiss' save percentage: .942 for the series. Luongo's? .926.

You can possess the puck all you want but it does you no good if you can't score. Even when the Panthers were getting power plays, they weren't converting. Greiss outplayed a very solid Luongo and the Isles converted on their special teams chances. Florida didn't. It was not the ref's fault Florida lost the series.

- Jethro09


I think my favorite is still how bent out of shape he gets about the offside goal being called back. I hate the review as far as the time it takes and I don’t agree with them adding it for such close calls, BUT, it IS the rule and if you see a replay that shows it was offside….how do you argue it was a legit goal?
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Apr 25 @ 4:47 PM ET
I think my favorite is still how bent out of shape he gets about the offside goal being called back. I hate the review as far as the time it takes and I don’t agree with them adding it for such close calls, BUT, it IS the rule and if you see a replay that shows it was offside….how do you argue it was a legit goal?
- Isles_since_6


Also I beleive the PAnther player even admitted after the game he was offside.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Apr 25 @ 4:49 PM ET
I think my favorite is still how bent out of shape he gets about the offside goal being called back. I hate the review as far as the time it takes and I don’t agree with them adding it for such close calls, BUT, it IS the rule and if you see a replay that shows it was offside….how do you argue it was a legit goal?
- Isles_since_6

Maybe people don't like the replays, but they get the calls right. The league has multiple eyes looking at multiple camera angles of every contested play. None of the plays reviewed were incorrectly reversed or upheld.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:50 PM ET
Maybe people don't like the replays, but they get the calls right. The league has multiple eyes looking at multiple camera angles of every contested play. None of the plays reviewed were incorrectly reversed or upheld.
- Jethro09

I absolutely hate the replay, but it’s here, it’s part of the game and if it shows conclusively that the play was offside…how do you argue it?

Just silly.
phxcyots22
Florida Panthers
Location: Charlotte, NC
Joined: 01.10.2012

Apr 25 @ 4:51 PM ET
I think my favorite is still how bent out of shape he gets about the offside goal being called back. I hate the review as far as the time it takes and I don’t agree with them adding it for such close calls, BUT, it IS the rule and if you see a replay that shows it was offside….how do you argue it was a legit goal?
- Isles_since_6


100% accurate. It really sucks, because it would have NEVER been called back in the past, but its what it is. In my opinion, they should scrap the blue-line level cam, and allow the play to only be slowed to 50% speed, and then make the call. If it's a matter of centimeters, like this one and the St Louis one, then oh well, call on ice will stay. This sort of review should only be used for blatant off sides. Allows the small fractional mistakes that have always been a part of the game, which probably happened all the time in the regular season, to go unnoticed..
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:53 PM ET
The problem was the ridiculous amount of scoring opportunities that the Panthers could not convert. There were so many passes across the net that never were caught/shot, so many shots that fell just wide, and way too many 2-on-1's that resulted in a poor pass instead of just trying to snipe the net.

Yes, the officiating was terrible, but it did go both ways. Panthers were very close to winning game 5 on an OT penalty shot, don't forget this. If Barkov had made a move whatsoever, he may have scored (I was calling for Huberdeau, and was very upset Barkov got the chance).

The problem with the refs form the Panther side was the timing. There were equally bad calls all around (And also bad no-calls), but it just seemed the timing of the Panthers penalties were just brutal, which makes it seem more one sided.

In the end, it was the Panthers inability to score goals and close out games that was the problem. Maybe 2016 will bring Panthers fans 2 things: A) Much needed playoff experience for the young guys to finish and close games, and B) A blogger who doesn't whine every time the Panthers lose.

- phxcyots22



I hope panthers fans remember that throughout this series I’ve complimented the panthers many times and that my responses here have been due to this…unsportsmanlike blog that was posted.

You have a very strong young team, was a tough series.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:54 PM ET
Sounds as if no one really cares how pi$$ poor the officiating is as long as their team wins. Don't fix it if it ain't broke - and it ain't broke if my team wins.
Does the game suffer? Nah. It's just female doging and whining by poor losers. Yeah. Right.

- itwasin


If you have a plan to fix that, I'll sign up. I don't think you'll find an Islanders fan who will say, "Damn, the officiating in this series and across the NHL is friggin stellar!" The point isn't that we don't agree officiating is bad; it's that blaming that for the reason Florida lost is ridiculous. You can't just cherry pick the calls against your own team and say "what if?" If every penalty was called on both teams throughout the game and series, who knows how it would have ended up. Maybe the Isles score a couple of PP goals in the first and the game doesn't even get to OT. Maybe not. It's not just the big moments. That little hook on the hands a ref lets go in the first period could just as easily have influenced the course of the game as a call or non-call later on.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:55 PM ET
100% accurate. It really sucks, because it would have NEVER been called back in the past, but its what it is. In my opinion, they should scrap the blue-line level cam, and allow the play to only be slowed to 50% speed, and then make the call. If it's a matter of centimeters, like this one and the St Louis one, then oh well, call on ice will stay. This sort of review should only be used for blatant off sides. Allows the small fractional mistakes that have always been a part of the game, which probably happened all the time in the regular season, to go unnoticed..
- phxcyots22


I like this idea quite a bit.
harveykline
Joined: 09.01.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:56 PM ET
Dan you are nuts if you think that is why we lost the series. The isles were better than us. They scored 3 goals in ot and we didn't. Grie ss outplayed Luongo. Like it or not, these are the reasons.
Luongo has and still does stink in the playoffs.
Jagr hasn't scored a playoff goal in 4 years.
Our defense is too young and can't hit the net if they tried.
Our pp sucks.
Bjugstad is injury prone.
We are undisciplined and take stupid penalties.

One the other hand the future is bright with Barkov, Mathison, Ekblad, Trocheck, Huberdeau and others.

GREAT regular season, we accomplished our goal of making the playoffs. Now DT needs to find us a goalie of the future, a veteran dman or two, a replacement for Jagr. And a much better assistant coach than John Madden.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Apr 25 @ 4:57 PM ET
Yeah, and did you catch the missed call where the Panthers only scored 4 goals in the final 3 games of the series?
- eichiefs9


Oh for sure the Isles took it to them in both the OT's last night - and Yah 4 goals in 3 games ain't gonna make it - and for sure the Isles got jobbed also plenty of times - just not good officiating at all - just so obvious on those 2 calls out in the open
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 4:57 PM ET
I realize that the team name listed under my username will immediately invalidate my comment but this is an absolute embarrassment.

trochek was crying because he didnt get a call? try giving him a lollipop, that should distract him long enough to forget what those meanie zebras did.

give me a break man; i feel for panther fans that they are subject to read this the day after a tough series. get a grip.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 25 @ 4:59 PM ET
100% accurate. It really sucks, because it would have NEVER been called back in the past, but its what it is. In my opinion, they should scrap the blue-line level cam, and allow the play to only be slowed to 50% speed, and then make the call. If it's a matter of centimeters, like this one and the St Louis one, then oh well, call on ice will stay. This sort of review should only be used for blatant off sides. Allows the small fractional mistakes that have always been a part of the game, which probably happened all the time in the regular season, to go unnoticed..
- phxcyots22


I don't think they should review offside goals. Hated that rule since I saw it slow the Sabres' first game of the season down to crawl while they looked at a play forever, sucking the life out of what was an energetic building. Unless it's a breakaway or something...at which point a review maybe makes sense...it seems like there's an awful lot that has to happen between an offside entry and a goal being scored where it shouldn't be negated.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 5:01 PM ET
100% accurate. It really sucks, because it would have NEVER been called back in the past, but its what it is. In my opinion, they should scrap the blue-line level cam, and allow the play to only be slowed to 50% speed, and then make the call. If it's a matter of centimeters, like this one and the St Louis one, then oh well, call on ice will stay. This sort of review should only be used for blatant off sides. Allows the small fractional mistakes that have always been a part of the game, which probably happened all the time in the regular season, to go unnoticed..
- phxcyots22



not a fan of the idea...it opens things up for there to be more gray area and uncertainty of what the actual rule is. why is it crazy that if the player is half a centimeter offsides that its considered offsides??
Finkler
Calgary Flames
Joined: 04.20.2016

Apr 25 @ 5:03 PM ET
Dan Spiegel: The Pain Of Injustice
- spiegs13


Finkler feels for ya
LItransplant44
Season Ticket Holder
New York Islanders
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL
Joined: 04.25.2016

Apr 25 @ 5:04 PM ET
Last i checked the Isles had better goaltending and stood up to the pressure like a team that has been there before. So to say the cats were the better team is ridiculous. The officials were consistently inconsistent both ways. Actually the fact your boy did not score on the open net shows he lacks strength,drive and or skill. Playoff hockey is nothing like the regular season(see jagr). They will mature and learn how to finish and be dangerous.
phxcyots22
Florida Panthers
Location: Charlotte, NC
Joined: 01.10.2012

Apr 25 @ 5:15 PM ET
not a fan of the idea...it opens things up for there to be more gray area and uncertainty of what the actual rule is. why is it crazy that if the player is half a centimeter offsides that its considered offsides??
- LetsGoIsles


Not that its crazy, but what it works the same way, what if the goal the Panthers scored in game 4, that was onside by a centimeter, was rule offsides? The point being, let these small inaccuracies go. If the guy is offsides by a foot, fine, but I just don't like the idea of slowing things down to like 9 billion frames a second to catch the slightest bit of white between the puck and the blue line. Give the refs 30 seconds to look at it full speed or half speed and then make a decision. Lets not turn this into the NFL
BringNYIhome
New York Islanders
Location: Smithtown , NY
Joined: 04.10.2016

Apr 25 @ 5:17 PM ET
You wanna break down every call? You think the refs missed only calls that benefited the islanders and that's a joke. Yes you didn't get every call and yes the officiating was horrible all series. But it was bad both ways. If we got the calls we wanted we would have swept you kitties. That's not the way this game works. Good teams play through it and overcome it. Like a GIFT PENALTY SHOT IN OT. We didn't cry. We just drew a REAL PENALTY. And scored on the power play. You are such a homer and I don't think you should be writing about your "feelings" publicly. The better team won. See you next year
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Apr 25 @ 5:26 PM ET
In two weeks it won't matter anyway. Tampa is by far the best playoff team in this bracket and will give the winner of the Pens/Caps series serious difficulty. The most surprising thing about the Tampa/Detroit series was that Detroit actually won a game (I thought Tampa would sweep). A Panthers/Lightning series would have been interesting but oh well, maybe another year.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 5:33 PM ET
Not that its crazy, but what it works the same way, what if the goal the Panthers scored in game 4, that was onside by a centimeter, was rule offsides? The point being, let these small inaccuracies go. If the guy is offsides by a foot, fine, but I just don't like the idea of slowing things down to like 9 billion frames a second to catch the slightest bit of white between the puck and the blue line. Give the refs 30 seconds to look at it full speed or half speed and then make a decision. Lets not turn this into the NFL
- phxcyots22



Right, but where do you draw the line? What's considered to be onside when it's really offsides. Way too subjective in that scenario. It's kinda like the stupid rule where a play is dead when a referee had the intention to blow the whistle; one of the dumbest rules in all of sports
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next