Plus in a new building. I think he had enough of CBJ losing that he'll stay clear of them.
- zazzle

He's winning poop in NY...

I'm with you - give him a chance to play his way onto the team rather than make the decision now that he needs another year in Jr like a certain jobless moderator would argue.
- 1979AD

Agreed, he's playing all aspects of the game right now. Power play, penalty kill, last minute of games. He averages over 2 points a game. Not sure what more jr can do for him.

He's winning poop in NY...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

NY window is beginning to close if not halfway closed already. I wouldn't be surprised if he's willing to be moved if the Rangers want to re-coup some of the picks/prospects they've sold.

He's winning poop in NY...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

no but has a better chance to win something.

I just think the management is going to start using the young guys more than I personally like. However I have to defer to the experts and not my armchair GM opinion.
- Aaron_85

They have a tough decision, there isn't much more to learn in junior with him. Hunter is not going to make him play a two way game, whereas Babcock can teach him good habits. It's going to be a tough one for Lou, Shany and Babs.

I think Babcock manages his playing time, he can learn so much more at the NHL level with Babcock then he would in junior. You can always loan him to the WJC if need be, just my opinion.
- LeafMan

this is why i loathe the transfer agreement

there should be a modification to the rule that so long as 1 year of junior is played after a player has been drafted (barring immediate promotion to the NHL) then that player should be eligible to be promoted to an AHL affiliate if the parent club decides that is what is best for the player's personal development.

I was thinking the other day.... how is this transfer agreement even legal? I mean it basically keeps an adult male from earning a living using his skill set. How does this not fall under The Anti-Slavery Act? Since technically junior teams are forcing players to work for free when they have the maturity and skill to land a paying job.

this is why i loathe the transfer agreement

there should be a modification to the rule that so long as 1 year of junior is played after a player has been drafted (barring immediate promotion to the NHL) then that player should be eligible to be promoted to an AHL affiliate if the parent club decides that is what is best for the player's personal development.

I was thinking the other day.... how is this transfer agreement even legal? I mean it basically keeps an adult male from earning a living using his skill set. How does this not fall under The Anti-Slavery Act? Since technically junior teams are forcing players to work for free when they have the maturity and skill to land a paying job.
- Dozzer

Good point. They don't even have the 'we're paying them with an education' BS that the NCAA uses.

this is why i loathe the transfer agreement

there should be a modification to the rule that so long as 1 year of junior is played after a player has been drafted (barring immediate promotion to the NHL) then that player should be eligible to be promoted to an AHL affiliate if the parent club decides that is what is best for the player's personal development.

I was thinking the other day.... how is this transfer agreement even legal? I mean it basically keeps an adult male from earning a living using his skill set. How does this not fall under The Anti-Slavery Act? Since technically junior teams are forcing players to work for free when they have the maturity and skill to land a paying job.
- Dozzer

I agree, they have exceptional status for CHL, why not for AHL?

Good point. They don't even have the 'we're paying them with an education' BS that the NCAA uses.
- 1979AD

Yes they do, that's basically their only argument.

Also for every marner theres 3000 kids who are garbage and need the education

this is why i loathe the transfer agreement

there should be a modification to the rule that so long as 1 year of junior is played after a player has been drafted (barring immediate promotion to the NHL) then that player should be eligible to be promoted to an AHL affiliate if the parent club decides that is what is best for the player's personal development.

I was thinking the other day.... how is this transfer agreement even legal? I mean it basically keeps an adult male from earning a living using his skill set. How does this not fall under The Anti-Slavery Act? Since technically junior teams are forcing players to work for free when they have the maturity and skill to land a paying job.
- Dozzer

Cause hockey is big business for these chump owners.

Good point. They don't even have the 'we're paying them with an education' BS that the NCAA uses.
- 1979AD

thats what i mean.... how has an NHL club not looked into challenging this in the courts? its nothing more than forcing grown men to work for free.

its becoming an unfair advantage for NCAA and Euro players.... look at it this way... if a team is torn on drafting a euro guy and a junior guy and has them roughly even in talent... why would they take the guy that they would have to wait two years to start developing professionally?

I agree, they have exceptional status for CHL, why not for AHL?
- LeafMan

yeah.. something like this at the very least. or base it on draft position... top 10 picks are not subject to the transfer rule.

the CHL might try to argue it hurts their business model losing top talent... but lets look at this realistically....

in the top 10 this year only 6 are from the CHL, and 3 of those 6 arent even canadian.

Disclaimer: I used draftsite.com as a reference

Cause hockey is big business for these chump owners.
- Aaron_85

oh i get why the CHL owners want this agreement in place... I just dont think its justified... and may not even be legal.

now that players are being drafted from allover the world.... the talent drain on the CHL isnt nearly as bad as it once was or is made out to be now.

It really does seem like a poopty agreement lol.

I'll be surprised if Marner doesn't develop into an elite NHL scorer. It's also possible that he completely Schremps out though.
- 1979AD

i see Schremp thrown out a lot... but he was not really close to marner is his draft year... was like 1.20 ppg .. marner was 2.0 .. in Schremp D+2 year he put up huge numbers...but I assume marner would if he went back 1 more time

but 2.0 in your draft year has been done by a handful of players

It really does seem like a poopty agreement lol.
- daeth

lol no poop.

hi.. you are 18.. you can vote.. pay taxes.. be sent to war, be sent to jail

BUT

you are not allowed to make a living in your chosen field even though you are fully capable of landing work.

this is nothing more than exploitation of a labour force.

it would not surprise me to see kids looking to go to the NCAA south of the border in order to avoid being subject to the agreement.... if he CHL doesnt get in line, there is going to be a talent drain when it comes to new talent because that new talent wont want to be subject to the transfer agreement.

imagine if marner played for lets say the University of Michigan.... do you think he would still be in a development league? hell no.. he would be on the marlies right now.

lol no poop.

hi.. you are 18.. you can vote.. pay taxes.. be sent to war, be sent to jail

BUT

you are not allowed to make a living in your chosen field even though you are fully capable of landing work.

this is nothing more than exploitation of a labour force.

it would not surprise me to see kids looking to go to the NCAA south of the border in order to avoid being subject to the agreement.... if he CHL doesnt get in line, there is going to be a talent drain when it comes to new talent because that new talent wont want to be subject to the transfer agreement.

imagine if marner played for lets say the University of Michigan.... do you think he would still be in a development league? hell no.. he would be on the marlies right now.
- Dozzer

Take them to court.

thats what i mean.... how has an NHL club not looked into challenging this in the courts? its nothing more than forcing grown men to work for free.

its becoming an unfair advantage for NCAA and Euro players.... look at it this way... if a team is torn on drafting a euro guy and a junior guy and has them roughly even in talent... why would they take the guy that they would have to wait two years to start developing professionally?
- Dozzer

The NHL agreed to it. They won't challenge it.

What you need is a player to challenge it. And that's really difficult - you have to get a kid who is willing to upset the apple cart - a bit risky for a 19 year old who has never played in the NHL.

Although Kenny the Rat was willing to do it...

Take them to court.
- bixll

yeah... i dont know how or why that hasnt been done yet

It really does seem like a poopty agreement lol.
- daeth

Marner fall right into that area, to good for OHL but the team may want him to get his feet wet in the AHL;

He has played three full years of junior, it should be enough.

i see Schremp thrown out a lot... but he was not really close to marner is his draft year... was like 1.20 ppg .. marner was 2.0 .. in Schremp D+2 year he put up huge numbers...but I assume marner would if he went back 1 more time

but 2.0 in your draft year has been done by a handful of players
- senstroll

Nice. It's the smaller stature, Knights, great hands, lots of points thing that makes it easy to compare those too.

I like the Pat Kane comparison better, but he put up 2.5ppg in his draft year.

Take them to court.
- bixll

The people's court.

lol no poop.

hi.. you are 18.. you can vote.. pay taxes.. be sent to war, be sent to jail

BUT

you are not allowed to make a living in your chosen field even though you are fully capable of landing work.

this is nothing more than exploitation of a labour force.

it would not surprise me to see kids looking to go to the NCAA south of the border in order to avoid being subject to the agreement.... if he CHL doesnt get in line, there is going to be a talent drain when it comes to new talent because that new talent wont want to be subject to the transfer agreement.

imagine if marner played for lets say the University of Michigan.... do you think he would still be in a development league? hell no.. he would be on the marlies right now.
- Dozzer

It's pretty ridiculous. It's bad enough the kids almost play for free but then they prevent them from making pro money right out of the draft. I'm surprised agents haven't fought against this.

The NHL agreed to it. They won't challenge it.

What you need is a player to challenge it. And that's really difficult - you have to get a kid who is willing to upset the apple cart - a bit risky for a 19 year old who has never played in the NHL.

Although Kenny the Rat was willing to do it...
- Atomic Wedgie

oh i understand the situation... and i get how a player could feel helpless and wouldnt want to rock the boat, but that still doesnt make it right.

It's pretty ridiculous. It's bad enough the kids almost play for free but then they prevent them from making pro money right out of the draft. I'm surprised agents haven't fought against this.
- daeth

like i said.. i would even be open to the concept of at least one year after their draft year. after that, the agreement would no longer apply to the player.