23 and entering his prime years. I hope they don't give up on him.
- Phenom

I'm guessing percy is moved if he has trade value. Waiver eligible will force a move is my bet.

Hard to see him in the top 7 next year.

Anyone know of some good golf courses within 25-30 mins of the Rogers center?

Planning a bachelor party, was going to book glen abbey but we have a bunch of guys going that aren't avid golfers and don't want to spend $220 a round.
- bryant

Lowville Golf Course (in Burlington) courses are wide for average golfers but lots of slopes and still challenging at greens.

It was my favorite when I lived in Mississauga.. heh

If you want a young pair of D men that are responsible in the D zone, Harrington and Percy would be a good 5th and 6th, both can kill penalties, Harrington is physical, Percy can move the puck.

Leafs have too many 4/5/6 type guys on defense ... Carrick, Percy, Harrington, Loov, Corrado, Valiev and maybe Marincin - though Babcock really likes him may have him as a top 3 ... Not sure where Zaitsev fits in either ... but looking like a 3/4 type guy....with so many of them out of options - some are going to be moved. Just have no idea what the value is and what we can expect back.

all 3 ? Seems unlikely.. maybe 1 of them, and the other on waivers. I think 1 of those last 3 guys I mentioned will be the 7th dman .
- MCharisma91

NO, I would build the farm to be as strong as possible, if I am Shanny. Keep who you can, and move the ones you can't.

always said, let the kids play, especially on the blue line . Let them learn together with the big club.

Rielly - Hunwick
Gardiner - Russian dude
Percy - Harrington ?

where does that leave guys like Corrado, Marincin, and Carrick?
- MCharisma91

thats why i am not sure you see percy until someone is moved.... its going to be an interesting off season.... i would not be shocked to see the leafs sign a vet d man to help stabilize and teach.... if they do go this route... it will be a guy who is responsible in his own end and moves the puck out well.....

truth be told... the leafs have a lot of 2nd/3rd pairing young defensive depth... teams up against the cap looking for reliable youth for bottom pairing duties might be willing to overpay a bit.

Can Carrick jump in next yr and be a 2nd pairing dman ? because Gardiner is that right now. If he gets dealt for some goaltending or packaged for a top 10 pick, we'll need someone to play top 4 mins .. Besides Rielly/Hunwick .. ?
- MCharisma91

Pretty sure another vet D men will be brought in. Gardiner will always be a brain cramp D man, not even Babcock can change that.

Leafs have too many 4/5/6 type guys on defense ... Carrick, Percy, Harrington, Loov, Corrado, Valiev and maybe Marincin - though Babcock really likes him may have him as a top 3 ... Not sure where Zaitsev fits in either ... but looking like a 3/4 type guy....with so many of them out of options - some are going to be moved. Just have no idea what the value is and what we can expect back.
- mojo300

Let's see, not good enough to crack the top 7 on the Leafs......

I would say the value is virtually zilch

Guys, I know he's not 29, I was exaggerating to make the point that he's reaching the age where they need to poop or get off the pot. Maybe I should have said 34 or something to make that more clear. I've failed you.
- 1979AD

he was a late first rounder.... and a d man to boot... not unusual for guys like that not to crack an NHL roster full time til they are mid twenties.

Lowville Golf Course (in Burlington) courses are wide for average golfers but lots of slopes and still challenging at greens.

It was my favorite when I lived in Mississauga.. heh
- Delryk

I used to play there often as well. It's been a year or two now but they were having some serious problems with temporary greens and it was not worth the money. Definitely check that before hand.

12 games in the NHL and he did not show well. -6. I know he was on the Leafs..
- bixll

he was playing with Phagoof.

thats why i am not sure you see percy until someone is moved.... its going to be an interesting off season.... i would not be shocked to see the leafs sign a vet d man to help stabilize and teach.... if they do go this route... it will be a guy who is responsible in his own end and moves the puck out well.....

truth be told... the leafs have a lot of 2nd/3rd pairing young defensive depth... teams up against the cap looking for reliable youth for bottom pairing duties might be willing to overpay a bit.
- Dozzer

One or two will be traded, then you will have the bottom two and extra be a battle between, Harrington, Percy, Marincin, Carrick, Loov and Valiev minus the one or two traded. They may even carry 8 to start the season.

One or two will be traded, then you will have the bottom two and extra be a battle between, Harrington, Percy, Marincin, Carrick, Loov and Valiev minus the one or two traded. They may even carry 8 to start the season.
- LeafMan

you never know... i think a comparable on a currently competitive team would be taylor chorney on the caps

different draft years of course but chorney was only selected 11 spots after percy's draft position of his year (chorney: 36th / percy: 25th)

chorney only cracked a full time roster this season (and thats being generous)... as a 27 year old (he's 28 now)

all i am trying to say is that reliable bottom pairing guys dont typically crack nhl rosters until their mid twenties or later.

12 games in the NHL and he did not show well. -6. I know he was on the Leafs..
- bixll

Using only plus minus to make a point for a young dman is an irresponsible way of looking at his play and potential.

How many of you have actually read the GoT books? If not, "you know nothing!"

SO MUCH is missing from the HBO series.

he was playing with Phagoof.
- Delryk

Hopfully he has a great playoffs with the Marlies and it makes the choice to keep him easier.

you never know... i think a comparable on a currently competitive team would be taylor chorney on the caps

different draft years of course but chorney was only selected 11 spots after percy's draft position of his year (chorney: 36th / percy: 25th)

chorney only cracked a full time roster this season (and thats being generous)... as a 27 year old (he's 28 now)

all i am trying to say is that reliable bottom pairing guys dont typically crack nhl rosters until their mid twenties or later.
- Dozzer

No but a few are out of options, it's NHL, trade or waivers.

Using only plus minus to make a point for a young dman is an irresponsible way of looking at his play and potential.
- LeafMan

ok. * Feels scolded. *

ok. * Feels scolded. *
- bixll

You have to look at the situation when he was brought up, it was a mess.

One or two will be traded, then you will have the bottom two and extra be a battle between, Harrington, Percy, Marincin, Carrick, Loov and Valiev minus the one or two traded. They may even carry 8 to start the season.
- LeafMan

Leafs starting D next season will be

Gardiner Rielly
Hunwick Marincin
Corrado Carrick
Loov Harrington
Percy zaitsev
Valiev

Babs likes to spread the time around

Leafs starting D next season will be

Gardiner Rielly
Hunwick Marincin
Corrado Carrick
Loov Harrington
Percy zaitsev
Valiev

Babs likes to spread the time around
- senstroll

Funny. If they all clear waivers then yes you will see all used. unlikely though.

Oh and Gardiner on the top pair,

Toronto Marlies
Lineup Josh Leivo – Mark Arcobello – Connor Brown
Zach Hyman – William Nylander – Ben Smith
Brendan Leipsic – Sam Carrick – Nikita Soshnikov
Rich Clune – Frederik Gauthier – Kasperi Kapanen

Andrew Campbell – Rinat Valiev
Stuart Percy – Connor Carrick
TJ Brennan – Justin Holl

Starting Goaltender: Garret Sparks

Scratches: Tobias Lindberg, Matt Frattin, Colin Smith, Viktor Loov, David Kolomatis


Where is Harrington anyway? he's not even scratched!...

Toronto Marlies
Lineup Josh Leivo – Mark Arcobello – Connor Brown
Zach Hyman – William Nylander – Ben Smith
Brendan Leipsic – Sam Carrick – Nikita Soshnikov
Rich Clune – Frederik Gauthier – Kasperi Kapanen

Andrew Campbell – Rinat Valiev
Stuart Percy – Connor Carrick
TJ Brennan – Justin Holl

Starting Goaltender: Garret Sparks

Scratches: Tobias Lindberg, Matt Frattin, Colin Smith, Viktor Loov, David Kolomatis


Where is Harrington anyway? he's not even scratched!...
- Delryk

Injured almost the whole year. Jan. 3rd was his last game, I believe he suffered a season ending shoulder injury.

You have to look at the situation when he was brought up, it was a mess.
- LeafMan

No, actually I am able to give my opinion. I am tossing caution to the wind.

No but a few are out of options, it's NHL, trade or waivers.
- LeafMan

be interesting if they move a couple of their young d men for a couple extra picks

or... if they are looking at someone like shattenkirk... young D prospects would likely be sent back the other way

a move like that would drop someone like hunwick down to the 3rd pairing (where he belongs) and shattenkirk would be a great top pairing addition, as he is a rightie and rielly shoots left.

like i said... be an interesting offseason... there are so many directions the leafs could take atm.

Funny. If they all clear waivers then yes you will see all used. unlikely though.

Oh and Gardiner on the top pair,
- LeafMan

gotta have one of your best defensive D on the top pair