Soon the walls of Jericho will fall, and the Kraken will rise from the sea!
- Steven_Seagull

plays Van Halen The Seventh Seal

I don't think Matt murray is available for anything less than a huge overpayment. Leafs can't offer the Penguins cap space. Chris kunitz is our worst contract and I believe it has one year left and theres a good chance we can move him for a pick. Most pens fans think murray is the future and will help our cap by trading a fairly priced vet goalie and going with a elc guy.

Morgan Reilly has zero value to the Penguins because of the expansion draft. You can only protect 3 defenseman or 4 if you sacrifice your forward protection. Letang Maata and Dumoulin are all must protect players. And Pouliot is basically trade or protect.

Everything is pointing to fleury being the guy dealt. Not sure if he is too old for your rebuild time frame. If he was 29 would be perfect for you. At 31 he's old enough that a team needs to be close to add him. A package of picks would work for fleury since it's good for us in the expansion draft.
- sditulli

Accurate, well thought out post, you sure you belong on HB ?

San Jose actually won a round


- jimi james

La are a bunch of clowns, that poop cost me 50 bucks


im just gonna avoid the guy for the next 6 months

La are a bunch of clowns, that poop cost me 50 bucks


im just gonna avoid the guy for the next 6 months
- pinksocked

I like picking rounds, but I never put much cash on it....good thing because my picks are (frank)ing brutal this year

And the goalie they will lose in the expansion draft is worth a 1st and a prospect.
- Tumbleweed

Were better off trading Mathews for the other guy

Make the world right again....acquire Duchene.

Avoid yandle

If we get matthews....offer no more than 9 to stammer with only a 4 year ntc
- Fakepartofme

so we would have stammer, Duchene, Matthews, kadri, bozak etc down the middle. rightttt

Were better off trading Mathews for the other guy
- burn

in all seriousness, if we could get fleury to hold down the fort for the next 3 years, i'd be open to it if:

- bernier goes the other way
- add in a hunwick/3rd line veteran.
- salary rentention might also have to be involved .... $1.2m should do.

otherwise, (frank) it.

in all seriousness, if we could get fleury to hold down the fort for the next 3 years, i'd be open to it if:

- bernier goes the other way
- add in a hunwick/3rd line veteran.
- salary rentention might also have to be involved .... $1.2m should do.

otherwise, (frank) it.
- Tumbleweed

nah

so we would have stammer, Duchene, Matthews, kadri, bozak etc down the middle. rightttt
- langer420

wouldn't duchene cost way to much?

i'll all for adding stammer at the cost of cap space, but not paying a premium package for duchene.

in all seriousness, if we could get fleury to hold down the fort for the next 3 years, i'd be open to it if:

- bernier goes the other way
- add in a hunwick/3rd line veteran.
- salary rentention might also have to be involved .... $1.2m should do.

otherwise, (frank) it.
- Tumbleweed

most over-rated goalie in the league imo

wouldn't duchene cost way to much?

i'll all for adding stammer at the cost of cap space, but not paying a premium package for duchene.
- Tumbleweed

why would you want him anyways? Hes taken a team to nowhereville

Mike Augello: Addressing The Areas Of Need
- mikeinbuffalo

Highly doubt Pittsburgh is moving Murray. He's their future in net and with the expansion draft coming MAF might become available at the draft. (especially if the Pens make a playoff run with Murray) 5.75 per for 3 years is in the bottom half of salaries for starters. Statistically he's been excellent the last two years... 31 years old. Wonder If the leafs would inquire should he become available.

why would you want him anyways? Hes taken a team to nowhereville
- pinksocked

florida did well acquiring useful veteran salary cap cast offs for cheap.

more about exploring that avenue for acquiring players.

i don't see an internal option that will be ready in 3 years.

if the pens retain, $4.5m over three years and let him walk doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

florida did well acquiring useful veteran salary cap cast offs for cheap.

more about exploring that avenue for acquiring players.

i don't see an internal option that will be ready in 3 years.

if the pens retain, $4.5m over three years and let him walk doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
- Tumbleweed

Marc-Andre Fleury NMC (limited, can submit a list of 12 teams he will not accept trade to)Im sure we would be on the "do not go to list" just my 2 cents


Edit: Unrelated but just noticed the Marlies game is on tonight, Nic Cage over in reddit will be streaming it for those who dont get Leaftv

Did I just read someone saying Rielly is useless to them as they already have Maata and Dumoulin ?



Welcome to Hockeybuzz.

I get the expansion protection thing might make him less of an attractive commodity until after that expansion, (and the Leafs aren't trading him anyway so the point is moot) but Reilly is a significant upgrade over at least 2 of those guys.

Marc-Andre Fleury NMC (limited, can submit a list of 12 teams he will not accept trade to)Im sure we would be on the "do not go to list" just my 2 cents


Edit: Unrelated but just noticed the Marlies game is on tonight, Nic Cage over in reddit will be streaming it for those who dont get Leaftv
- pinksocked

FaIr point.

Lou and co probably still have some work to do to change the perception of the leafs league wide.

Toronto should be a place players are willing to go to.

Amazing how well we've drafted last few years with few high picks. Sprong Maata and murray if they redid their drafts are all potential top 10 selections in their draft year. Murray may go number 1 overall if they redid his year - Id guess top 3 his year would be ghost Forsberg and murray. Sprong class is really deep but I'm guessing he's shown enough to make 5-20 range.
- sditulli

- nbboy

OMFG

Matt Murray probably isn't available at a price you would be willing to pay. If he leads the pens to a cup or even gets us past the capitals his value as a 21 year old proven goaltender would be astronomical. And I'm not sure you have anything outside of Austin Mathews to get it done.

But if we play the game that you win the Matthews sweepstake. Use the addition of him to sell Stamkos on signing on to the team. You are instantly a playoff team and maybe more if you fix the defense and goaltender situation.

Would your rebuild be far enough along to make a move on a Fleury? He's 31. Reasonable 5.75 cap hit with 3 years remaining. Current concussion is concerning but his play this year has probably been top 10 goalie. Likely to finish his career top 3 in career wins and has been very durable for a long time.

I think the asking price would be reversing the kessel trade. Send us back our 1st and kapanen. Don't care about Harrington I think he's a bottom pairing at best now.

And the one rumor is you guys could have had your choice of pouliot kapanen or murray last summer if your pushed harder. Pouliot for sure not sure if murray would have happened.

Basically in that scenario if you add 2 top 4 dmen you are a legit fringe contender next year. Fleury who knows how guys age but he hasn't shown it yet. Gives you 3 years and probably an extension to develop a young goalie.
- sditulli

holy hell.

you think a goalie with 13 NHL games under his belt is worth matthews?

there are times i wish i wasnt a mod so i could take the ban to say what needs to be said.

holy hell.

you think a goalie with 13 NHL games under his belt is worth matthews?

there are times i wish i wasnt a mod so i could take the ban to say what needs to be said.


- Dozzer

come to the dark side


its alot of fun

Areas of concern

Accurate, well thought out post, you sure you belong on HB ?
- pinksocked

I wasn't serious about trading murray for Matthews. I was more implying that murray is close to untouchable. Most pens think fleury is the one to be traded. Reilly would be interesting but with the expansion draft coming adding a dman isn't something we are interested in. Pens will be interested in adding a vet goalie back up but not sure on bernier. I do think it would take closer to 2 million retained as I would budget 2 million for our back up. We would need a vukoun type back up that we had a few years ago if we are rolling with a 21 year old goalie.

Anyway if you guys come out of this offseason adding 2 #1 C then a fleury trade makes some sense. Fleury should be open to a trade this summer as its better than being exposed in the expansion draft and having no control over where you go.

holy hell.

you think a goalie with 13 NHL games under his belt is worth matthews?

there are times i wish i wasnt a mod so i could take the ban to say what needs to be said.


- Dozzer

"I got something to say
It's better to burn out
Than fade away"

holy hell.

you think a goalie with 13 NHL games under his belt is worth matthews?

there are times i wish i wasnt a mod so i could take the ban to say what needs to be said.


- Dozzer

Do it, abuse your powers and unban yourself immediately after.

come to the dark side


its alot of fun
- pinksocked

i am not sure the leafs would even want to target an unproven.... if you are going for stability in net you dont go fr a guy who hasnt even played 1/4 worth of a season yet regardless of how well he has played in his sample size.