Ottawa needs help killing penalties & shutting down the other teams scorers to reduce their goals against. If you think a 19 year old kid, Chabot is going to help in that regard good on you but that would put him in pretty exclusive company. In a group less than 1% of NHL Dman stepping into the NHL as a 19 year taking anything remotely close to a regular shift. Going from Major junior to the AHL is a huge step for any player. Few teenagers can step into the NHL & make an impact or even take a regular shift at 19 never mind a defensemen.

Here are the ages of this seasons top 10 Dman in rookie scoring & only a few had decent production, Gustafsson finished 10th in scoring with 14 points but I just use it as a reference to give you some example of the ages of Dman entering the NHL. Only 1 of the 10 was under 20, Hanafin. Their ages 23, 22, 23, 19, 21, 23, 21, 22, 24 & 24.

If you throw Chabot to the wolves as a 19 year old on a bad defensive team that will do more harm than benefit & slow his development especially with a new coach coming on board.
- striker777

If Chabot is too good for Junior(not sure if that's the case or not) it would be hard to keep him down, how would it help him playing in a league he's out grown pretty much. I know that it's the same thing with Leafs and Marner.. fans are pretty split if he should be in the NHL or Junior but he's way to good for junior.. hard decision.

If Spezza, Bishop were kept.

MacArthur (4.65) - Turris (3.5) - Stone (3.5)
Hoffman (6) - Spezza (7) - Ryan (7.25)
Lazar - Pageau - Zibanejad (2.2
Smith - McCormick - Neil

Methot (4.9) - Karlsson (6.5)
Phanuef (7) - Ceci (2)

Bishop (6)
Hammond (1.1)

If Spezza, Bishop were kept.

MacArthur (4.65) - Turris (3.5) - Stone (3.5)
Hoffman (6) - Spezza (7) - Ryan (7.25)
Lazar - Pageau - Zibanejad (2.2
Smith - McCormick - Neil

Methot (4.9) - Karlsson (6.5)
Phanuef (7) - Ceci (2)

Bishop (6)
Hammond (1.1)
- AlfieisKing

Definitely agree on Bishop, but I have the the feeling that Spezza wouldn't have resigned here even if we hadn't traded him. That lineup looks pretty good though

Definitely agree on Bishop, but I have the the feeling that Spezza wouldn't have resigned here even if we hadn't traded him. That lineup looks pretty good though

- wilkobecks

This was a honest to god accidental post lol..... was just typing away and had no clue it went through...

Ryan (7.25) Phanuef (7) Spezza (7) Karlsson (6.5) Bishop (6) Hoffman (6)
= 40M

THEN..... Methot (4.9) MacArthur (4.65) Turris (3.5) Stone (3.5)
= 56.3M

If Spezza, Bishop were kept.

MacArthur (4.65) - Turris (3.5) - Stone (3.5)
Hoffman (6) - Spezza (7) - Ryan (7.25)
Lazar - Pageau - Zibanejad (2.2
Smith - McCormick - Neil

Methot (4.9) - Karlsson (6.5)
Phanuef (7) - Ceci (2)

Bishop (6)
Hammond (1.1)
- AlfieisKing

Not possible....that would leave you 10 mIL to sign your entire bottom six, bottom pairing, plus your 13th forward and 7th dman.......and that's assuming Melnyk spent to the cap.

It's nice to dream but that is an impossible line-up to ice.

Better to dominate at Major junior, go to the WJC's against the best players in the worlld in your age group, the CHL playoffs & potentially the Memorial Cup than barely play on your NHL team as you can't be sent to the minors.

Vancouver just did that with Virtanen & McCann last season, numerous other teams have done the same repeatedly. I think it essentially wastes a years development. Surely McCann would have benefited to have been released to play at the WJC's but I don't think either player has benefited from spending last season in the NHL barely playing & when they did dress barely playing anyway.

I know others disagree but I'm not 1 of them.

Not possible....that would leave you 10 mIL to sign your entire bottom six, bottom pairing, plus your 13th forward and 7th dman.......and that's assuming Melnyk spent to the cap.

It's nice to dream but that is an impossible line-up to ice.
- sensarmy_11

the sad part in that statement is that I'm not even that confident that would get the job done. Ryan and Phanuef are way to overpaid

AlfieisKing

Ottawa moved out 11.7 million in salary next season shipping out Michalek, Greening & Cowen. They also saved more than 1.5 mil in prorated salary at the deadline this year in salary having moved those 3. Take that 13.2 million saved & amortize it over the remainder of Phaneuf's contract & he's costing Ottawa 4.6 per season. That's great value.

Better to dominate at Major junior, go to the WJC's against the best players in the worlld in your age group, the CHL playoffs & potentially the Memorial Cup than barely play on your NHL team as you can't be sent to the minors.

Vancouver just did that with Virtanen & McCann last season, numerous other teams have done the same repeatedly. I think it essentially wastes a years development. Surely McCann would have benefited to have been released to play at the WJC's but I don't think either player has benefited from spending last season in the NHL barely playing & when they did dress barely playing anyway.

I know others disagree but I'm not 1 of them.
- striker777

In the case of chabot I agree. He won't play in the top four and it would be a waste for him too be on the bottom pairing.

Hopefully they'll leave him in Jr next year

In the case of chabot I agree. He won't play in the top four and it would be a waste for him too be on the bottom pairing.

Hopefully they'll leave him in Jr next year
- sensarmy_11

Scouts talk about progression as the critical issue of development. If a player is left to dominate he is likely not progressing. Need to put a young progressing talent into tougher challenges each year in order to drive the progression curve to its highest level.

Scouts talk about progression as the critical issue of development. If a player is left to dominate he is likely not progressing. Need to put a young progressing talent into tougher challenges each year in order to drive the progression curve to its highest level.
- spatso

Chabot could learn so much from Karlsson, Methot, and Phanuef. Would be nice to see him up with the team. I think 2017 he's here anyway at some point

Players Sens can win a cup with: Karlsson, Stone, Pageau, Turris, Lazar, Methot, Ceci, MacArthur*, Boroweici, Smith, Neil

Players Sens can't win a cup with: Ryan, Wideman,

Players I'm unsure of: Phanuef, Zibanejad, Hoffman

Thing is Mac has health issues and aside from the first 7, not sure how rest will perform.

Players Sens can win a cup with: Karlsson, Stone, Pageau, Turris, Lazar, Methot, Ceci, MacArthur*, Boroweici, Smith, Neil

Players Sens can't win a cup with: Ryan, Wideman,

Players I'm unsure of: Phanuef, Zibanejad, Hoffman

Thing is Mac has health issues and aside from the first 7, not sure how rest will perform.
- AlfieisKing

Let me get this straight.......Boro and Neil help this team but zibby, Ryan, and Hoffman don't?

Let me get this straight.......Boro and Neil help this team but zibby, Ryan, and Hoffman don't?

- sensarmy_11

The last point I made was that you don't know the level at which they will play but YES I'd rather have Neil as a 4th line RW than Ryan as a 1st line RW when contending for a cup. If you read that thought carefully you'll know what I mean. Boro and Neil are players you want in the playoffs; but not more than a 11/12th forward and 6th D-man. It's the fact that they've been misused - Boro on the forward lines

Ryan and his infamous intensity is what really concerns me. How much does this want to win a cup? He's a nice guy, but at his cap hit 22 goals, falling down all the time, and not playing physically consistently doesn't translate well in the playoffs. I know his playoff numbers are horrible, but he Zibanejad and Hoffman, for their respective roles, aren't sold on me

Scouts talk about progression as the critical issue of development. If a player is left to dominate he is likely not progressing. Need to put a young progressing talent into tougher challenges each year in order to drive the progression curve to its highest level.
- spatso

I think it is good if a player is allowed to dominate at one level for a period of time as it helps them build their confidence that they can rise to the top if they work hard and persevere. That confidence can help them push through the struggles they may have in the NHL.
Cowen, Ceci and Lazar were all rushed and they have not progressed as well as hoped. Hoffman and Stone were both pushed to earn everything they received. I think that the organization ultimately benefitted more by keeping the players in the AHL longer.