Toronto is set for a nice rebuild though. I don't think they have a goalie in waiting though. Forget the fact the I'm pushing for a rebuild and trading Lundqvist. But Toronto will have a top 5 pick this year to go along with Marner, Nylander, Kapenen as headlining prospects. They got a good young player in the Phaneuf deal, in Tobias Lindberg, and they drafted a few under the radar forwards last year. They need another defender and goalie for sure.
- tomburton99

Speaking of draft picks, I did the math...

The best draft position the Rangers can be in this year (if Wild, Islanders, Flyers, Predators advance) is the #16 spot each round (#16, #46, #76, #106, etc)

The worst they will fall back to is the #20 spot each round

Speaking of draft picks, I did the math...

The best draft position the Rangers can be in this year (if Wild, Islanders, Flyers, Predators advance) is the #16 spot each round (#16, #46, #76, #106, etc)

The worst they will fall back to is the #20 spot each round
- hawkeytalkman

No your fault or don't take this the wrong way but don't bring up the draft.

The first pick they will get will between 76-80.

No your fault or don't take this the wrong way but don't bring up the draft.

The first pick they will get will between 76-80.
- tomburton99

Cant imagine it stays that way. NYR probably makes some trades and acquires some picks ahead of that 76-80 range

Cant imagine it stays that way. NYR probably makes some trades and acquires some picks ahead of that 76-80 range
- hawkeytalkman

Yep I can see that happening to

Yep I can see that happening to
- TPC

Which one of the MAtt's is going to be pissed then?

Which one of the MAtt's is going to be pissed then?
- tomburton99

I honestly don't care who gets moved anymore. If the trade helps the Rangers get better I am open to it

I honestly don't care who gets moved anymore. If the trade helps the Rangers get better I am open to it
- TPC

Well it really wouldn't though. At least not right away?

Cant imagine it stays that way. NYR probably makes some trades and acquires some picks ahead of that 76-80 range
- hawkeytalkman

Nash for a 1st 2nd and a prospect.
Hayes and Fast for a 1st and prospect.
Combine the 1sts get into the top 10.
Don't tell me we can't get 1sts for these guys with prospects when u look at some of these trades made recently.
Let Yandle E.Staal D.Moore Boyle go.
Sign Stamkos and bring over Buchnevich.
Get a gritty 4th line center that is good on the PK.
Buyout Girardi. The guy gave everything he had to this organization but his style of play and years of big minutes wore him down. No one should have anything bad to say about the guy, he gave everything he had his body just can't keep up anymore.

None of this is blowing anything up. That team would be better than this years and we restock some picks/prospects. I think Hayes will rebound and be a very good 2c on a lot of teams but we just don't have room for him.

Nash for a 1st 2nd and a prospect.
Hayes and Fast for a 1st and prospect.
Combine the 1sts get into the top 10.
Don't tell me we can't get 1sts for these guys with prospects when u look at some of these trades made recently.
Let Yandle E.Staal D.Moore Boyle go.
Sign Stamkos and bring over Buchnevich.
Get a gritty 4th line center that is good on the PK.
Buyout Girardi. The guy gave everything he had to this organization but his style of play and years of big minutes wore him down. No one should have anything bad to say about the guy, he gave everything he had his body just can't keep up anymore.

None of this is blowing anything up. That team would be better than this years and we restock some picks/prospects. I think Hayes will rebound and be a very good 2c on a lot of teams but we just don't have room for him.
- nyrangers9479

I think you would be very hard pressed to get either of those returns

Nashs contract is just too large on the heels of a bad year at his age turning 32 and this will be his 14th NHL season. You might get 2 out of 3 of those pieces, but probably not all
Ditto to Hayes as his stock is as low as its ever been, whether you tether Fast to him or not, combined they likely arent worth a 1st

I think you would be very hard pressed to get either of those returns

Nashs contract is just too large on the heels of a bad year at his age turning 32 and this will be his 14th NHL season. You might get 2 out of 3 of those pieces, but probably not all
Ditto to Hayes as his stock is as low as its ever been, whether you tether Fast to him or not, combined they likely arent worth a 1st
- hawkeytalkman

Yeah I agree. Plus I kinda want to keep Fast. He's quietly turning into a really completely hockey player. One of the guys on this team that can help the PK.

Evgeny Medvedev is a piece the Rangers could target. An intelligent smooth puck mover. Hasn't really fit with Philly. A Russian who could also become a #7 type d on this team and help make Buchnevich's transition to the NHL and North America more smoother.

Or just sell the farm on Tarasenko if the blues wind blowing this series

I think you would be very hard pressed to get either of those returns

Nashs contract is just too large on the heels of a bad year at his age turning 32 and this will be his 14th NHL season. You might get 2 out of 3 of those pieces, but probably not all
Ditto to Hayes as his stock is as low as its ever been, whether you tether Fast to him or not, combined they likely arent worth a 1st
- hawkeytalkman

E.Staal went for 2 2nds and a prospect for less than a quarter season and at the time people were saying that wasn't so bad.
Stempniak went for a 2nd and 4th.
Look at the Kris Russell return.
Nash is still a 30 goal scorer that plays responsible defense.

E.Staal went for 2 2nds and a prospect for less than a quarter season and at the time people were saying that wasn't so bad.
Stempniak went for a 2nd and 4th.
Look at the Kris Russell return.
Nash is still a 30 goal scorer that plays responsible defense.
- nyrangers9479

I still think we have a better chance at seeing the cup next year than we did this year. Just my thoughts.

E.Staal went for 2 2nds and a prospect for less than a quarter season and at the time people were saying that wasn't so bad.
Stempniak went for a 2nd and 4th.
Look at the Kris Russell return.
Nash is still a 30 goal scorer that plays responsible defense.
- nyrangers9479

Centers always command more of a premium come trade deadline for the playoffs.

Also, the term remaining for a player on the decline is more of a detriment than a benefit in terms of return for trades.

As wacky as it is, rentals go for a premium at an all-in shot. Trading for someone like Nash comes with a high pricetag AND two years remaining. It lessens the value because of his age, declining play, and the risk that you have more than just a rental on your hands in case he fades further.

The Patrick Sharp trade is a prime example of that and is looking like a comparable scenario here. Sharp was 33 with 2 years remaining when he was traded. Nash is going to be 32 with 2 years remaining

If Nash gets shopped I can guarantee he brings something similar to what I proposed. People will pay to take the risk on Hayes, big center with skill that had a sophomore slump.

Yeah I agree. Plus I kinda want to keep Fast. He's quietly turning into a really completely hockey player. One of the guys on this team that can help the PK.
- tomburton99

He doesn't add anything and doesn't have a place on the team IMO. Not a top 9 player, not a 4th liner. Not great on the PK and doesn't play the PP.

This team had no identity all year. Speed wasn't their thing. Grit wasnt their thing. Effort wasn't their thing. Mediocrity seemed to be their niche. The Rangers need to retool with players who want to win and avoid overpaying for anyone...even current roster players.

If Lundqvist wants to win a cup he needs to move. I love Hank and want him to retire as a NYR. That said, he needs to go along with half of this roster.

Lundqvist to Dallas for a king's ransom and one of their goalies. Dallas then moves the other one to another team for a bag of pucks. Raanta starts next season and the acquired goalie walks at the end of the contract.

Nash to anywhere but here. Drouin for Nash? Yzerman would probably die laughing. That's the sad reality of Nash's value.

M Staal, Girardi for anything that can be mustered. Literally anything. Otherwise at least buy out Girardi. Surely someone still needs to make the cap floor.

Kreider can stay for $a max of $2.5M otherwise move him. Potential is wasted energy. All we talk about is Kreider's potential and never his production. This is all that Kredier will ever be...a frustrating talent who barely nets 20 goals a season.

Yandle isn't a $7-8M+ player that makes you hold your breath when he gets the puck. He can stay for $5M which he won't...so bye. Nothing personal Keith, just go handicap someone else's cap situation.

Hayes, Boyle, and E Staal: bye Felicia. Duclair scored more goals and pts than Hayes and E. Staal and Hayes did this season as Rangers.

If exit interviews conclude that AV is the reason guys don't compete he should be gone same day.

Next season I would rather watch a losing team full of young players that bring it every night and play hard than a mediocre playoff team where we all discuss "effort" and "compete level" at least once a week.

He doesn't add anything and doesn't have a place on the team IMO. Not a top 9 player, not a 4th liner. Not great on the PK and doesn't play the PP.
- nyrangers9479

Are we not talking about a player that is the defensive anchor on whichever line he plays on. Nash, Stepan and Fast are the only forwards on this team that can effectively kill a penalty. And he's, Fast that is is good on the 3rd line. What are you talking about?

This team had no identity all year. Speed wasn't their thing. Grit wasnt their thing. Effort wasn't their thing. Mediocrity seemed to be their niche. The Rangers need to retool with players who want to win and avoid overpaying for anyone...even current roster players.

If Lundqvist wants to win a cup he needs to move. I love Hank and want him to retire as a NYR. That said, he needs to go along with half of this roster.

Lundqvist to Dallas for a king's ransom and one of their goalies. Dallas then moves the other one to another team for a bag of pucks. Raanta starts next season and the acquired goalie walks at the end of the contract.

Nash to anywhere but here. Drouin for Nash? Yzerman would probably die laughing. That's the sad reality of Nash's value.

M Staal, Girardi for anything that can be mustered. Literally anything. Otherwise at least buy out Girardi. Surely someone still needs to make the cap floor.

Kreider can stay for $a max of $2.5M otherwise move him. Potential is wasted energy. All we talk about is Kreider's potential and never his production. This is all that Kredier will ever be...a frustrating talent who barely nets 20 goals a season.

Yandle isn't a $7-8M+ player that makes you hold your breath when he gets the puck. He can stay for $5M which he won't...so bye. Nothing personal Keith, just go handicap someone else's cap situation.

Hayes, Boyle, and E Staal: bye Felicia. Duclair scored more goals and pts than Hayes and E. Staal and Hayes did this season as Rangers.

If exit interviews conclude that AV is the reason guys don't compete he should be gone same day.

Next season I would rather watch a losing team full of young players that bring it every night and play hard than a mediocre playoff team where we all discuss "effort" and "compete level" at least once a week.
- Maskdman3

I was talking about this last night. I don't think you'd get a haul for a 34 year old goalie with a 8.5 million dollar cap hit. No chance you trade for 5.9 million dollar Lehtonen or 4 million dollar Niemi just have them be back up for 60+ games.

If Nash gets shopped I can guarantee he brings something similar to what I proposed. People will pay to take the risk on Hayes, big center with skill that had a sophomore slump.
- nyrangers9479

Based on what? Will all due respect, you guaranteeing anything doesnt mean much.

The history is not on your side when it comes to players in Nash's situation especially coming off the year he just had and he looks like a shell of his former self, even from just a year earlier

To make this easier, what team in the league is going to offer a 1st, 2nd, and prospect for Rick Nash?

Again, Rick Nash is NOT a center, which is a big sticking point.

He is also coming off a year where he scored 15 goals in 60 games (paces to 20 goals over a full season). Not really worth anything close to a $7.8 mil cap hit, especially for 2 more years at 32 years old

Nobody is coughing up a premium of a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect that isnt total garbage for that

Are we not talking about a player that is the defensive anchor on whichever line he plays on. Nash, Stepan and Fast are the only forwards on this team that can effectively kill a penalty. And he's, Fast that is is good on the 3rd line. What are you talking about?
- tomburton99

Fast is a pretty prototypical bottom 6 winger. Not sure how he doesnt have a spot on the roster, especially being cost controlled

I was talking about this last night. I don't think you'd get a haul for a 34 year old goalie with a 8.5 million dollar cap hit. No chance you trade for 5.9 million dollar Lehtonen or 4 million dollar Niemi just have them be back up for 60+ games.
- tomburton99

I totally see your point, but the feeling around Dallas is that this team is a legitimate contender and that goaltending is what's missing. If the Rangers take one of them (probably Lehtonen) it makes it easier. Dallas could probably move Niemi to clear him off the books to a team near the floor. Even if they have to keep half of Niemi's salary it saves $2.25M.

They currently have $9.9M tied up on two terrible goalies. Hank and a $1M backup are $9.5M. Even if they keep $2M of Niemi it's only for one season and they haven't spent much more to greatly upgrade their playoff goaltending.

I think your points are right to a great degree, but I actually think it's plausible.

I totally see your point, but the feeling around Dallas is that this team is a legitimate contender and that goaltending is what's missing. If the Rangers take one of them (probably Lehtonen) it makes it easier. Dallas could probably move Niemi to clear him off the books to a team near the floor. Even if they have to keep half of Niemi's salary it saves $2.25M.

They currently have $9.9M tied up on two terrible goalies. Hank and a $1M backup are $9.5M. Even if they keep $2M of Niemi it's only for one season and they haven't spent much more to greatly upgrade their playoff goaltending.

I think your points are right to a great degree, but I actually think it's plausible.
- Maskdman3

You have a better feel obviously being around the Dallas area. I just don't want to see like a homer, I also am a little reserved on the internet trade proposals.

I totally see your point, but the feeling around Dallas is that this team is a legitimate contender and that goaltending is what's missing. If the Rangers take one of them (probably Lehtonen) it makes it easier. Dallas could probably move Niemi to clear him off the books to a team near the floor. Even if they have to keep half of Niemi's salary it saves $2.25M.

They currently have $9.9M tied up on two terrible goalies. Hank and a $1M backup are $9.5M. Even if they keep $2M of Niemi it's only for one season and they haven't spent much more to greatly upgrade their playoff goaltending.

I think your points are right to a great degree, but I actually think it's plausible.
- Maskdman3

Your facts arent correct here.

First, they have $10.4mil tied up in two terrible goalies, not $9.9

Second, both Lehtonen AND Niemi have two years remaining on their contracts after this summer

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/dallas-stars

Based on what? Will all due respect, you guaranteeing anything doesnt mean much.

The history is not on your side when it comes to players in Nash's situation especially coming off the year he just had and he looks like a shell of his former self, even from just a year earlier

To make this easier, what team in the league is going to offer a 1st, 2nd, and prospect for Rick Nash?

Again, Rick Nash is NOT a center, which is a big sticking point.

He is also coming off a year where he scored 15 goals in 60 games (paces to 20 goals over a full season). Not really worth anything close to a $7.8 mil cap hit, especially for 2 more years at 32 years old

Nobody is coughing up a premium of a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect that isnt total garbage for that
- hawkeytalkman

To your point, teams could probably pickup Eric Staal (who is a center and the same age) without giving up anything and sign him for well under $7.8M