Thanks Cranny
- smellmyfinger

provorov is gonna be a (frank)ing revelation. question is, what to do with the goalies? can you roll with both long term? i always thought mason was really damn good and underappreciated, but what neuvy is doing right now, regardless of the outcome tomorrow, is gonna ahve people thinking.
- stayinthefnnet

Well to be honest both have to stay and unsigned after next season. Reason being the expansion draft. We will protect Stoltz and leave mason and nervy available because the team won't pick them up with no term left , then we resign one after expansion draft.

Provy will def be something different for the Flyers back end. So will konecky on the forwards. I doubt sanheim or morin is ready yet along with Haag.

Well to be honest both have to stay and unsigned after next season. Reason being the expansion draft. We will protect Stoltz and leave mason and nervy available because the team won't pick them up with no term left , then we resign one after expansion draft.

Provy will def be something different for the Flyers back end. So will konecky on the forwards. I doubt sanheim or morin is ready yet along with Haag.
- jmdodgeser4

And management made it clear they won't go overboard with rookies out of camp. If a young D makes it out of camp, there'll be time given for him to acclimate and become comfortable in the NHL before another joins the ranks, possibly later in the year.

Now it hit me...can't believe we waited all year from the game 7 loss last year to watch that shyt show for 5 games

What a train wreck. Start moving pieces. Unacceptable . The effort after game two was paltry. Game three to some they had the effort there, I didn't see it that way. Can't put yourself behind the 8 ball constantly. Absolutely pathetic. Fire this hack too he's run his course here.
- Anthony5967

What does this team do though in regards to moving pieces?

Not quite ready for a full blown rebuild, but I see them in a really difficult place right now. Right in the middle of being good and not.

Would not want to see the Rangers become the Canucks.

What does this team do though in regards to moving pieces?

Not quite ready for a full blown rebuild, but I see them in a really difficult place right now. Right in the middle of being good and not.

Would not want to see the Rangers become the Canucks.
- rmiethaner

Already close to being Vancouver

Already close to being Vancouver
- Lundqvist79

So full blow rebuild now?

Their top two scorers this year had career years at 28. The goalie is getting older.

It sucks, but might be the best thing to do.

What does this team do though in regards to moving pieces?

Not quite ready for a full blown rebuild, but I see them in a really difficult place right now. Right in the middle of being good and not.

Would not want to see the Rangers become the Canucks.
- rmiethaner

I think a decent blueprint is

Buyout Girardi: I love the guy and he gave this organization everything since he came up from Hartford as an u drafted FA but all the injuries have unfortunately caught up to him . He is slow, out of position easily now due to it.

M.Staal+Hayes trade: Many on here love Hayes and believe he will benefit from the learning experience this year but i believe that selling a team on Staal will be easier if a Hayes/Miller/Kreider is attached. Miller stays in my book. He will get better. So you have a choice between K and Hayes. Hayes to me is a very good offensive player but the problem with him is: lack of foot speed, not overly gifted offensively, and he can't play the wing and is awful on draws. So where does he play? Third line C? That's a spot on the roster that could be filled. With these moves look and see how much cap is cleared. It's around 12.5+ Not including a Nash deal.

Nash trade: Very possible a trade could be sought out by Gorton by the draft. Will a Toronto take him? Remember, it's two years left on his deal and a team like Toronto, even though they want Stamkos provides a veteran presence and hard working attitude for the young kids and is a great example as far as leadership goes. I'm sure another team may kick the can at him you never know. If David Clarkson could be moved and Rob Scuderi then Nash can.

I think a decent blueprint is

Buyout Girardi: I love the guy and he gave this organization everything since he came up from Hartford as an u drafted FA but all the injuries have unfortunately caught up to him . He is slow, out of position easily now due to it.

M.Staal+Hayes trade: Many on here love Hayes and believe he will benefit from the learning experience this year but i believe that selling a team on Staal will be easier if a Hayes/Miller/Kreider is attached. Miller stays in my book. He will get better. So you have a choice between K and Hayes. Hayes to me is a very good offensive player but the problem with him is: lack of foot speed, not overly gifted offensively, and he can't play the wing and is awful on draws. So where does he play? Third line C? That's a spot on the roster that could be filled. With these moves look and see how much cap is cleared. It's around 12.5+ Not including a Nash deal.

Nash trade: Very possible a trade could be sought out by Gorton by the draft. Will a Toronto take him? Remember, it's two years left on his deal and a team like Toronto, even though they want Stamkos provides a veteran presence and hard working attitude for the young kids and is a great example as far as leadership goes. I'm sure another team may kick the can at him you never know. If David Clarkson could be moved and Rob Scuderi then Nash can.
- Anthony5967

You have to keep Kreider.

I know Buffalo would be interested in Stamkos if he becomes available, but if not, I would not be surprised to see them trade for Nash. They can definitely afford him for two years. I would be against it, but I could see him being a plan B.

I think a decent blueprint is

Buyout Girardi: I love the guy and he gave this organization everything since he came up from Hartford as an u drafted FA but all the injuries have unfortunately caught up to him . He is slow, out of position easily now due to it.

M.Staal+Hayes trade: Many on here love Hayes and believe he will benefit from the learning experience this year but i believe that selling a team on Staal will be easier if a Hayes/Miller/Kreider is attached. Miller stays in my book. He will get better. So you have a choice between K and Hayes. Hayes to me is a very good offensive player but the problem with him is: lack of foot speed, not overly gifted offensively, and he can't play the wing and is awful on draws. So where does he play? Third line C? That's a spot on the roster that could be filled. With these moves look and see how much cap is cleared. It's around 12.5+ Not including a Nash deal.

Nash trade: Very possible a trade could be sought out by Gorton by the draft. Will a Toronto take him? Remember, it's two years left on his deal and a team like Toronto, even though they want Stamkos provides a veteran presence and hard working attitude for the young kids and is a great example as far as leadership goes. I'm sure another team may kick the can at him you never know. If David Clarkson could be moved and Rob Scuderi then Nash can.
- Anthony5967

I wouldn't dump Hayes. He's not gonna get much of a raise whatsoever. They need younger forwards that are cheap. He'll just have to be better next year, and that's the bottom line. He has very good abilities that just didn't materialize like last year. One of those 2 yr bridge deals and then reassess.

I agree on Toronto for Nash. Works for all involved.

Staal is an enigma for me. I have no idea what to do. We're weak on D (in bodies) if we're losing Girardi, Boyle and Yandle. Skjei, McD and Klein were talking about and probably mcilrath. How else we gonna get? If your telling me were resigning Yandle then it's more likely Staal is going. But if I'm a betting man our top 4 is Mcd-Skjei-Klein and Staal next year. I really don't think Yandle will be here. Mcilrath has to be in the 3rd pair I think too

Wow..Hawks looks as bad as we did today jesus

Wow..Hawks looks as bad as we did today jesus
- Slimtj100

Well they got 3 cups in the last 6 years to fall back on at least

not here to troll. good season, boys. not really a good series, but hopefully it shows management the problems with the team like you did for us 2 years ago.

with the rangers out, and the hawks possibly being out tonight, when was the last time all original 6 teams were out this late? probably at least a decade.

I think a decent blueprint is

Buyout Girardi: I love the guy and he gave this organization everything since he came up from Hartford as an u drafted FA but all the injuries have unfortunately caught up to him . He is slow, out of position easily now due to it.

M.Staal+Hayes trade: Many on here love Hayes and believe he will benefit from the learning experience this year but i believe that selling a team on Staal will be easier if a Hayes/Miller/Kreider is attached. Miller stays in my book. He will get better. So you have a choice between K and Hayes. Hayes to me is a very good offensive player but the problem with him is: lack of foot speed, not overly gifted offensively, and he can't play the wing and is awful on draws. So where does he play? Third line C? That's a spot on the roster that could be filled. With these moves look and see how much cap is cleared. It's around 12.5+ Not including a Nash deal.

Nash trade: Very possible a trade could be sought out by Gorton by the draft. Will a Toronto take him? Remember, it's two years left on his deal and a team like Toronto, even though they want Stamkos provides a veteran presence and hard working attitude for the young kids and is a great example as far as leadership goes. I'm sure another team may kick the can at him you never know. If David Clarkson could be moved and Rob Scuderi then Nash can.
- Anthony5967

Not trolling here, but M. Staal has a NMC and Nash has a NTC. I can't imagine anyone would even have any interest in either, unless the Rangers were to retain somewhat-significant money. I'm not sure Hayes has shown enough yet to persuade any other GM to take on that awful M. Staal contract, assuming Staal even waived his NMC.

Well they got 3 cups in the last 6 years to fall back on at least
- TPC

(frank) them.

Not trolling here, but M. Staal has a NMC and Nash has a NTC. I can't imagine anyone would even have any interest in either, unless the Rangers were to retain somewhat-significant money. I'm not sure Hayes has shown enough yet to persuade any other GM to take on that awful M. Staal contract, assuming Staal even waived his NMC.
- eichiefs9

Yeah, I think they have to go for it with what they have. Hank getting older, tough contracts to dump with Girardi and Staal. Maybe move Nash to get some flexibility and hope Skjei and McIlrath step up. I don't think the blow it up method is going to work for the Rangers.

Been a busy few days for me. Didn't catch the game today. Just lowly stats from my phone. First off, congrats to the Penguins. That was just an old fashion whoopin'. Next, this era of Rangers hockey is over. They had their window from 11/12-now. Changes, substantial ones need to be made. Coaching and player personal.

Not trolling here, but M. Staal has a NMC and Nash has a NTC. I can't imagine anyone would even have any interest in either, unless the Rangers were to retain somewhat-significant money. I'm not sure Hayes has shown enough yet to persuade any other GM to take on that awful M. Staal contract, assuming Staal even waived his NMC.
- eichiefs9

Nash only has a 10 trade clause I believe. It changes from a full NMC to a LNTC on July 1st I think.

Yeah, I think they have to go for it with what they have. Hank getting older, tough contracts to dump with Girardi and Staal. Maybe move Nash to get some flexibility and hope Skjei and McIlrath step up. I don't think the blow it up method is going to work for the Rangers.
- smellmyfinger

Just seems like their options are either to trade young talented guys, which they shouldn't do, or try to move guys who are one-or-more of old/expensive/terrible, which seems not likely.

Demers would be a guy that, if the Stars let him get to UFA, the Rangers would be well served to take a shot at signing.

Nash only has a 10 trade clause I believe. It changes from a full NMC to a LNTC on July 1st I think.
- tomburton99

Gotcha. All I see on generalfanager is that he had a NMC until 2015, which then converted into a NMC. Doesn't list any details, so that is entirely possible.

Just seems like their options are either to trade young talented guys, which they shouldn't do, or try to move guys who are one-or-more of old/expensive/terrible, which seems not likely.

Demers would be a guy that, if the Stars let him get to UFA, the Rangers would be well served to take a shot at signing.
- eichiefs9

I want the Rangers to go full rebuild. Now, nobody is taking M.Staal and Girardi. The Rangers are gonig to t have to eat those deal. But I want the Rangers to sit down with both Lundqvist and Nash and try to get both of of them to agree to a trade. Won't happen, but it's what I want.

Wow..Hawks looks as bad as we did today jesus
- Slimtj100

Tie game, never count out the Hawks.....

I want the Rangers to go full rebuild. Now, nobody is taking M.Staal and Girardi. The Rangers are gonig to t have to eat those deal. But I want the Rangers to sit down with both Lundqvist and Nash and try to get both of of them to agree to a trade. Won't happen, but it's what I want.
- tomburton99

U never know, they still bring veteran PO experience that some teams may covet...???

I want the Rangers to go full rebuild. Now, nobody is taking M.Staal and Girardi. The Rangers are gonig to t have to eat those deal. But I want the Rangers to sit down with both Lundqvist and Nash and try to get both of of them to agree to a trade. Won't happen, but it's what I want.
- tomburton99

Lundqvist is all world no doubt. But put yourself in an opposing GMs shoes, even if Hank waives do you touch a 33 year old goalie with the highest goalie cap hit in the league running until he is 40?

I just don't think blow it up is an option. This was a 100 point season for the Rags, as much as I hate them I don't think the situation is as dire as some make it to be (other than Staal and Girardi)

U never know, they still bring veteran PO experience that some teams may covet...???
- Ur Not Me

After seeing Gomez not only moved, but returning a top pair defenseman I'll never say never.