And I am not even saying it is his fault.

I think more of the argument is he thinks if Neuvirth plays this has some fallout of loyalty and trust that Mason can't recover in the offseason. That Mason is "owed" this start.

They are 0-3

The Flyers are "owed" any changes or tweaks to try and get a win.
- J35Bacher

Logical tweaks. Tweaks that address the actual issue at hand. Tweaks such as:
1. Changing the personnel or positioning of players on the FUTILE power-play
2. Have the PK play a much more aggressive style
3. Reinforce the importance of not taking a penalty.
4. Inserting a Medvedev to see if he can spark some offense
5. Enlist in a voodoo doctor
529. Switch out Mason for Neuvirth

Mason should be seeking at least a 6 yr 36 mill conract
- vejim

The question is do you pay it?

Maybe I'm alone here, but I've been studying the Fyers' PK and PP very closely...and I think they have problems.
- Mononoke

#fancy

Patiently awaiting the DOPS video explaining how letangs two hander to the face warrants no discipline

Masonites are a funny bunch.

Had someone like, oh, let's say Bryz played like this in even a meaningless series of preseason games posters here would be shouting from the rooftops to ship him back to wherever he came from.

But Steve Mason? Oh, heck no. Gotta protect him no matter what.
- Scoob

I disagree with that -- Mason's played well enough

There's no such thing as Masonites. The guy's a good goalie, got them into the playoffs, was probably one of the five or six best goalies in the league last year and has been consistently good since he got to Philadelphia

Maybe I'm alone here, but I've been studying the Fyers' PK and PP very closely...and I think they have problems.
- Mononoke

In your analysis...is the best fix to start Neuvirth or trade Giroux for picks?

See, many people know this stuff happens, even in the playoffs. It happens every two or three years or so

But because Jeremy Roenick has ZERO perspective beyond what he saw five seconds ago, Mason's goal is the worst goal ever

Take a look at some more "worst goals ever," including some in the playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNAhEE-BnI
- AllInForFlyers

So there've been 6...

Masonites are a funny bunch.

Had someone like, oh, let's say Bryz played like this in even a meaningless series of preseason games posters here would be shouting from the rooftops to ship him back to wherever he came from.

But Steve Mason? Oh, heck no. Gotta protect him no matter what.
- Scoob

Actually, no. The folks who could separate what was actually on Bryz vs. what wasn't were not the ones "shouting from the rooftops." That was the lazy narrative crowd.

Same with now. Game one, Mason was outstanding. Every bit as good as Holtby. Goal 2 in Game 2 was on Mason. Goal 4 of Game 2 wasn't unstoppable but Flyers already trailed by 2 late in 3rd period with Caps in total control of 3rd pd. Goal 2 of Game 3 was on Mason.

Masonites are a funny bunch.

Had someone like, oh, let's say Bryz played like this in even a meaningless series of preseason games posters here would be shouting from the rooftops to ship him back to wherever he came from.

But Steve Mason? Oh, heck no. Gotta protect him no matter what.
- Scoob

...the difference being Mason has a .922 save percentage and Bryz had a .906 save percentage as a Flyer

Masonites are a funny bunch.

Had someone like, oh, let's say Bryz played like this in even a meaningless series of preseason games posters here would be shouting from the rooftops to ship him back to wherever he came from.

But Steve Mason? Oh, heck no. Gotta protect him no matter what.
- Scoob

Wha? Even us Masonites approve (mostly) of giving Neuvirth the start. But there is such a thing as a track record, and Mason has one for 3 years. He dominated the second half the season, whereas Neuvy regressed. And sometimes you have to let your best players play, even when they weren't at their best previously. It's trust in them.

Mostly us Masonites just get angry at the constant torrential downpour of poop that falls unnecessarily on him. He's not immune to criticism. He deserves some right now.

What kind of wimpy arm can't hit the ice with a bracelet from any seat in the house? A hat I can understand, but not a bracelet.
- Scoob

Originally they were going to do a commemorative ninja star giveaway but thankfully they reconsidered. JK. I think anyone with a brain knows it isn't a true representation of the entire Philly fanbase. Just about everybody here immediately condemned it, save for a few real gems on csn philly. Is Philly the worst fan base in sports? If they are its only by .05%. Again I kid.
I think you have to sit Mason. Not that he has been the reason for the losses but the team needs some kind of change to shake things up.

Question for all: Who in your opinion has stood out and played well for the Flyers in the Playoffs? Who has raised their game to an acceptable level from where their baseline play is for the post season?
- flyguy12

Since the questions is RAISED I will put them in the obvious category and less obvious. Order is actual ranking

Obvious
Gagner
Schultz
Amac
Schenn

Less obvious
Raffl
Schenn
Voracek
White
Bellemare

So there've been 6...
- mayorofangrytown

There's more than that -- that's just what YouTube showed off a quick glance

My memory gets foggy as I get older, but didn't Niitty give one up from another county once?

I disagree with that -- Mason's played well enough

There's no such thing as Masonites. The guy's a good goalie, got them into the playoffs, was probably one of the five or six best goalies in the league last year and has been consistently good since he got to Philadelphia
- AllInForFlyers

Milbury and JR are Masonispitts

I disagree with that -- Mason's played well enough

There's no such thing as Masonites. The guy's a good goalie, got them into the playoffs, was probably one of the five or six best goalies in the league last year and has been consistently good since he got to Philadelphia
- AllInForFlyers

Neuvirth and the rest of the team got them to the playoffs, too.

Since the questions is RAISED I will put them in the obvious category and less obvious. Order is actual ranking

Obvious
Gagner
Schultz
Amac
Schenn

Less obvious
Raffl
Schenn
Voracek
White
Bellemare
- YuenglingJagr

I forgot about Raffl, and didn't give Schultz enough credit the first time

Neuvirth and the rest of the team got them to the playoffs, too.
- Scoob

Come on, Scoob -- you know exactly what I mean

They were dead in the water if Mason hadn't been able to play and win those games down the stretch when Neuvirth was hurt

In your analysis...is the best fix to start Neuvirth or trade Giroux for picks?
- YuenglingJagr

That's drastic. First I would put Jordan Weal out there in the Ghost spot. Move G in front of the net. Arm him with delicious grilled cheese sandwiches. White behind the net facing the crowd. Cousins chirping in front of the opposing bench. And then Caligula at center ice with one of his sisters.

If this doesn't work, Giroux has to go.

I don't care if people think special teams are the difference in this game, they're not. We're holding on within an inch of our lives at 5 on 5. One mistake we're scored on. Take away one of our men with a penalty, we're scored on. All these outside shots even if we lead in shots means nothing.

Hak doesn't wanna make changes and adjust, we were dead the moment game 1 began.
- SuperSchennBros

more high danger scoring chances than the caps at 5v5

Actually, no. The folks who could separate what was actually on Bryz vs. what wasn't were not the ones "shouting from the rooftops." That was the lazy narrative crowd.

Same with now. Game one, Mason was outstanding. Every bit as good as Holtby. Goal 2 in Game 2 was on Mason. Goal 4 of Game 2 wasn't unstoppable but Flyers already trailed by 2 late in 3rd period with Caps in total control of 3rd pd. Goal 2 of Game 3 was on Mason.
- bmeltzer

Some posters here are part of that lazy narrative crowd when it comes to goalies.

I agree with your summary of the games. I also think he's somehow banged up because he just doesn't seem like himself.

Starting Neuvirth tonight is not in any way a slap to Mason, imho.

...the difference being Mason has a .922 save percentage and Bryz had a .906 save percentage as a Flyer
- PhillySportsGuy

Being too literal. My point was some folks here need to relax about the goalies. Both played very well this season and are both responsible for helping get the team to the playoffs.

I think starting Neuvirth is more about the rest of the team than Mason.

Mason's work just to get them to this point has been stellar.

If you want to question something, question not getting Mason a blow down the stretch, but how was Hakstol hamstrung with no veteran backup?

And I am not even saying it is his fault.

I think more of the argument is he thinks if Neuvirth plays this has some fallout of loyalty and trust that Mason can't recover in the offseason. That Mason is "owed" this start.

They are 0-3

The Flyers are "owed" any changes or tweaks to try and get a win.
- J35Bacher

Objectively, I found the team played a bit better in front of Michal this year. No idea why. This really can't hurt. We rode made into the ground and I'm sure they've said. Man. This isn't on you and mase seems professional enough to know that. God. If the flyers had scored just 1 pp goal in each of the games so far with the numerous golden opportunities in 5 on 3 or 4 on 3. They'd prob be down 2 1 and still in it. It's been pathetic and I think they've just lost all confidence. Regardless that's not on the tenders

Of note, I'm a huge mase fan and will continue to be. Without him we don't get to this point.

Actually, no. The folks who could separate what was actually on Bryz vs. what wasn't were not the ones "shouting from the rooftops." That was the lazy narrative crowd.

Same with now. Game one, Mason was outstanding. Every bit as good as Holtby. Goal 2 in Game 2 was on Mason. Goal 4 of Game 2 wasn't unstoppable but Flyers already trailed by 2 late in 3rd period with Caps in total control of 3rd pd. Goal 2 of Game 3 was on Mason.
- bmeltzer

Thats exactly how I see it Bill.. And even sometimes you do have to give shooters credit. I still want/expect Mason to make that save on Ovenchicken, but that was a beauty of a snap shot. Low glove side with a wicked release. If anything (despite the guy driving down Masons right side, he was too far away to be a real threat) Mason needed to challenge AO more on that play.

I hope the Flyers win tonight. I really do. But I just think Mason should have been the guy to go.. win or lose.

Re: goaltending

They've scored 2 goals in 3 games. Who they choose to start in net is irrelevant.