Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe any picks involved in offer sheets have to be your own, can't use other teams picks.
- Horus1927

that is correct as well, that why you see at the draft teams always trying to obtain their 2nd and 3rd rounders back in an attempt to be offersheet ready after July 1st.

Never thought of that. You could very well be correct.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yup have to be your own. Offer sheets would be interesting, I'd like the leafs to go after lindholm or trouba.

Ottawa had the 9th best offense in the NHL last season & all that youth we discussed will improve. That's simply how it works. Young kids get better & most take 4 to 6 years to reach their full potential at the NHL. They had the 9th best offense with MacArthur lost all season essentially, Michalek & Turris for significant portions. Ottawa doesn't need help at forward really. Considering their PP was brutal 26th overall finishing 9th in GF is impressive. Had Cameron deployed Hoffman on the 1/2 wall as opposed to the point when actual given PP time that would have helped tremendously. Having your leading goal scorer from 2 years in a row at #7 in PP TOI/GP makes no sense. Even with his limited deployment his 9 PPG's were 50% better than the next player at 6.

They need help at D. They allowed the 5th most goals against. Phaneuf will help both the offense & defense moving forward but Ottawa seriously needs a #5 & 6 NHL quality Dman. Ottawa had the 2nd worst penalty kill in the league as well.

Solve that problem & Ottawa can be a playoff team. A bubble team but you can't expect to make the playoffs having the 5th worst goals against in the league & 2nd worst penalty kill.
- striker777

I kind of agree with what you said, see bolded..... I think that having Phaneuf all year next year is enough to solidify the defense. With he a Ceci logging more minutes than Ceci and 'player X', the bottom paring will play less.

Again, a T6 forward, with a cup win, and leadership[p that will be respected by the young guns is what this team needs.

A new coach with similar pedigree preaching the gospel of defensive awareness, which is repeated by to the vet forward .... the kids will buy in.

I agree adding a body or two in the bottom pairing would go a long way. I've always included it as a need going forward for next season. While I think a new and more effective coach would help, he needs the resources (roster) to implement his plan. In my opinion, if you have to add bodies to your roster, making the argument that a new coach will help, is weak.

Adding defensive depth on the bottom pairing is indeed a need. Having Dion for a full year, should help and Ceci should make another step in his game. He played well the last quarter of the year.

I don't think you can ignore the forward group though. Just because they scored a lot of goal, doesn't necessarily mean it's a group that will get you to the next level. Adding some guys would help create more depth amongst the 4 lines. Let's be honest, how confident are you when Hoffman, Ryan, Stone, and Turris aren't on the ice that we will be generating offence? Adding a guy who can play top 6 minutes would help. Getting a top line centre who can push Turris down to the second line where he belong would help. The centre is quite difficult to obtain, but should be explored.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

definitely agree with that. i like our top six as is, but you're right in that we really don't have anyone who's primarily a bottom six guy but can step in and maintain the offense (although pageau might fit that bill). i'd love to explore a guy like okposo.....of all the UFAs listed i think he would be my 1st choice. would be a real solid add to the team....and might allow you to keep that pageau stone smith line together as a 3rd line.

I don't think the offence needs a massive overhaul. Remember, Karlsson is essentially a threat every time he's on the ice.

They need another good top 9 winger. Lose Chiasson. Limit Neil. A top line centre would be ideal for sure.

They also could use one more decent D.

Lose Boro, or at very least, make him your 7th Dman.

They have some pieces that are coming in a few years, with Chabot maybe even next year.

White, Perron, Gagne.

If you're going to make any deal upfront, The deal I would honestly be trying my hardest to make is a Ryan for Giroux deal. Ottawa would have to massively sweeten that pot, but make no mistake about it, Giroux wants to be here. Family is here. Wife is from here. Building a house here.

So there it is... Im not sure what can be done to be honest. A lot of moving parts likely have to be in this deal...

Im just ball parking here:

Turris, Ryan, 2017 1st and ..... maybe Englund or prospect of similar potential

for

Giroux, Good D-prospect (Sanheim, Hagg or Morin)....

Does it get it done? Unlikely. I would then be trying to find someone who can give you 15-20 goals on the RW via UFA or trade. I'd be keeping Hoffman. I include Turris because he is going to want 5.5+ when his deal is up - which is soon. Giroux is locked in for 6 more years.

I don't think the offence needs a massive overhaul. Remember, Karlsson is essentially a threat every time he's on the ice.

They need another good top 9 winger. Lose Chiasson. Limit Neil. A top line centre would be ideal for sure.

They also could use one more decent D.

Lose Boro, or at very least, make him your 7th Dman.

They have some pieces that are coming in a few years, with Chabot maybe even next year.

White, Perron, Gagne.

If you're going to make any deal upfront, The deal I would honestly be trying my hardest to make is a Ryan for Giroux deal. Ottawa would have to massively sweeten that pot, but make no mistake about it, Giroux wants to be here. Family is here. Wife is from here. Building a house here.

So there it is... Im not sure what can be done to be honest. A lot of moving parts likely have to be in this deal...

Im just ball parking here:

Turris, Ryan, 2017 1st and ..... maybe Englund or prospect of similar potential

for

Giroux, Good D-prospect (Sanheim, Hagg or Morin)....

Does it get it done? Unlikely. I would then be trying to find someone who can give you 15-20 goals on the RW via UFA or trade. I'd be keeping Hoffman. I include Turris because he is going to want 5.5+ when his deal is up - which is soon. Giroux is locked in for 6 more years.
- BodyCheckRadio

That no where near gets it done.. I can't see Philly moving Giroux though

That no where near gets it done.. I can't see Philly moving Giroux though
- ClarksonDavid

Like I said, that deal would need tweaking

Giroux is a player that wants to be here. Rare can that be said about Ottawa LOL. Im not saying he wants to be out of Philly desperately, but I know the chance to come home is something he wouldn't turn down.

I would be trying my hardest to get him.

That no where near gets it done.. I can't see Philly moving Giroux though
- ClarksonDavid

come on man....

turris, ryan, and a 1st easily gets you giroux and a prospect.

not saying philly or ottawa makes that deal, but in terms of value it's AT LEAST even, and i'd probably say philly is winning that deal.

come on man....

turris, ryan, and a 1st easily gets you giroux and a prospect.

not saying philly or ottawa makes that deal, but in terms of value it's AT LEAST even, and i'd probably say philly is winning that deal.
- sensarmy_11

I don't know if it gets it done, but it starts the conversation is all I was saying.

Lots of moves to make, tons of young talent moves every summer and Dorion will be in on something.

Ryan O'Reilly, Johanssen, Saad - with 2 new coaches, lots of chips to trade, Dorion can remake this team pretty quickly if he's willing to make some bold moves.

Car: Ryan
Ott: Jordan Staal

Win: Hoffman
Ott: 25th overall

sign Slava Voynov - 2 years $5 million / $2.5 Average
Song Loui Ericsso 5 years / 27.5 million / $5.5 avg

Draft #12 LW Clayton Keller / #25 LW Max Jones

Ericsso - Staal - Stone
Mac - Turris - Zibby
Stone - Pgeau - White
Paul - Lazar - Neil

Dion - EK
Voynov - Ceci
Methot - Wideman

Lots of moves to make, tons of young talent moves every summer and Dorion will be in on something.

Ryan O'Reilly, Johanssen, Saad - with 2 new coaches, lots of chips to trade, Dorion can remake this team pretty quickly if he's willing to make some bold moves.

Car: Ryan
Ott: Jordan Staal

Win: Hoffman
Ott: 25th overall

sign Slava Voynov - 2 years $5 million / $2.5 Average
Song Loui Ericsso 5 years / 27.5 million / $5.5 avg

Draft #12 LW Clayton Keller / #25 LW Max Jones

Ericsso - Staal - Stone
Mac - Turris - Zibby
Stone - Pgeau - White
Paul - Lazar - Neil

Dion - EK
Voynov - Ceci
Methot - Wideman
- tuna99

so let me get this straight....

you want to trade ryan for arguably one of the most overrated players in the league (who's on an even worse contrat than ryan)....and who would be the 3rd best center on this team, maybe 4th

then you want to trade a 30 goal scorer for a late 1st (he's EASILY worth way more than that)

then you want to sign a convicted wife beater who's probably not legally allowed in the country.

how are you not employed as a GM in the NHL. (frank)ing brilliant.

also, you have stone playing on 2 different lines

I don't see much if any changes coming next season. Nothing wil change with Melnyk at the helm but with that being said this team still has a solid lineup IMO

Mac-Turris-Ryan
Hoff-Zibby-Stone
Smith-Pageau-Lazar
Neil-Paul-Dzingel

Karlsson-Methot
Phaneuf-Ceci
Wideman-Chabot
Boro

Certainly not a cup contender but definately a team that can fulfill Eugene's ultimate goal of finishing 8th every year

Richardson is leaving Bingo .....

could it mean that this is the 'other opportunity within the organisation' for Smith????

imagine if Cameron went back to Bingo????

Car: Ryan
Ott: Jordan Staal
- tuna99

So the Sens get Stall, a guy who hit 50 points that ONE time in 11-12, for Ryan who got 56 points this year, and you called out for not producing enough. So the sens are down to a single RW in Stone capable of playing top 6 so that we can get ANOTHER guy unable to take the reins as a #1C? Why?

Win: Hoffman
Ott: 25th overall
- tuna99

The odds of a 25th overall getting to the point Hoffman is at now are long to say the least. Again, why do this?

sign Slava Voynov - 2 years $5 million / $2.5 Average
- tuna99

Probably not coming back from Russia.

Song Loui Ericsso 5 years / 27.5 million / $5.5 avg
- tuna99

He's UFA, so will be looking for more than that.

Richardson is leaving Bingo .....

could it mean that this is the 'other opportunity within the organisation' for Smith????

imagine if Cameron went back to Bingo????
- SensnRBs

where is he going?

I kind of agree with what you said, see bolded..... I think that having Phaneuf all year next year is enough to solidify the defense. With he a Ceci logging more minutes than Ceci and 'player X', the bottom paring will play less.

Again, a T6 forward, with a cup win, and leadership
- SensnRBs[p that will be respected by the young guns is what this team needs.

A new coach with similar pedigree preaching the gospel of defensive awareness, which is repeated by to the vet forward .... the kids will buy in.

They really need him to play well next season. He didn't impress me much but Im still hopeful that he can help improve our backend.

where is he going?
- sensarmy_11

Bluesfest

where is he going?
- sensarmy_11

From what I've heard he was told he wasn't in the running for the Sens coaching position, so he's just pursing other opportunities.

From what I've heard he was told he wasn't in the running for the Sens coaching position, so he's just pursing other opportunities.
- MaxTLimit

expected. pretty sure he could have left a long time ago but stayed in bingo cuz his daughter was in school close by.

come on man....

turris, ryan, and a 1st easily gets you giroux and a prospect.

not saying philly or ottawa makes that deal, but in terms of value it's AT LEAST even, and i'd probably say philly is winning that deal.
- sensarmy_11

Giroux has been one of the top point producing players in the league for years. Ryan is not near his value, what are the chances the first going to Philly turns out as good as a Sanheim type prospect? I wouldn't trade Sanheim for a mid to late first.

Lots of moves to make, tons of young talent moves every summer and Dorion will be in on something.

Ryan O'Reilly, Johanssen, Saad - with 2 new coaches, lots of chips to trade, Dorion can remake this team pretty quickly if he's willing to make some bold moves.

Car: Ryan
Ott: Jordan Staal

Win: Hoffman
Ott: 25th overall

sign Slava Voynov - 2 years $5 million / $2.5 Average
Song Loui Ericsso 5 years / 27.5 million / $5.5 avg

Draft #12 LW Clayton Keller / #25 LW Max Jones

Ericsso - Staal - Stone
Mac - Turris - Zibby
Stone - Pgeau - White
Paul - Lazar - Neil

Dion - EK
Voynov - Ceci
Methot - Wideman
- tuna99

25th overall for a 30g scorer? Im not sure I make that trade if I'm Ottawa. I want a hockey deal. Not a futures deal.

Giroux has been one of the top point producing players in the league for years. Ryan is not near his value, what are the chances the first going to Philly turns out as good as a Sanheim type prospect? I wouldn't trade Sanheim for a mid to late first.
- ClarksonDavid

The deal gets the conversation started. Here is why the deal doesn't happen though, not like this at least...

1/ Philly would lose a 1st line Centre... Turris is an amazing #2 without question and can be a #1 but, just a lower producing #1. If Philly had a legit 1st line centre in the wings, it would make more sense

2/ Ryans contract. Its just too much to eat. Yes, Giroux makes 8.25, but he's worth it. Ryan was overpaid to stay. He warrants a 5.5-6mil cap hit. For them to do this, they likely need to move Voracek.

Like I said, it gets the conversation started...

andrew lad is the type of player needed by the team. He is a veteran with good leadership qualities. He would fit perfecty as a number 1 centre or number 2 centre. With him in the lineup you can expect to deal away another player in the lineup. The defense should be of top priority, but I'm not sold that they need to change the lineup, defenitely need a good coach (Jacques Martin...fingers crossed). Bring the old man back, we had great powerplay and great defense when he was around.

My two cents are equal to Ladd + Jacques Martin.

Giroux has been one of the top point producing players in the league for years. Ryan is not near his value, what are the chances the first going to Philly turns out as good as a Sanheim type prospect? I wouldn't trade Sanheim for a mid to late first.
- ClarksonDavid

i didn't realize he was asking for their top prospect.......but you're acting like it's not close in value.

and giroux has had 2 very good years, interspersed with a whole lot of "okay" years.

giroux is a 25 goal, 70 pt player. he's certainly worth more than ryan straight up, but when you add a 25 goal/60 pt center and a 1st rd pick.....then the value starts tipping the other way.

as for sanheim for a mid to late 1st....at best i'd expect the sens to be a mid round 1st, highly doubt it would be a late rd 1st.

i still maintain that philly wins that deal, or it's even, even with Sanheim.

the 1st and sanheim are about even, and i think Ryan AND Turris are worth more than Giroux.

definitely agree with that. i like our top six as is, but you're right in that we really don't have anyone who's primarily a bottom six guy but can step in and maintain the offense (although pageau might fit that bill). i'd love to explore a guy like okposo.....of all the UFAs listed i think he would be my 1st choice. would be a real solid add to the team....and might allow you to keep that pageau stone smith line together as a 3rd line.
- sensarmy_11

Basically my thinking is if you somehow get a top line centre and easily acquire a top 6 level forward, you push guys like Turris, Zibby, Mac, Pag, Smith, etc down in the lineup. It would create a solid scoring 3rd line and a more than capable 4th line. I have no problem with the existing top 6 on this team either in theory, but I think they could be used more effectively given the right resources added.

Maybe ZIbby takes a step next year with his new offseason gameplan. He always seems to have a good finish to a year, but always starts off slow. With that said, with the existing forward group there are a lot more questions rather than confidence.

Should be interesting to see what Dorian does. I'd like to see a couple of depth signings and one significant trade at least.