As an outsider who doesn't really care, I'll just say that RNH is NOT a defensive player or a winner. He's the type of player you find on the top 6 of mediocre at best teams. He's very talented and he will forever show promise and sparkles. But if I were edmonton managment, I would put him at the top of a trade-for-D list.

Now the geniuses are starting to show up

i don't beleive the oiler finished with the most man games lost
- derm10

I think they did, but if they didn't they definitely did in quality of man games lost. 52 games sans their top Dman, 31 without their third best, 13 games sans Eberle, 27 games sans Nuge and Pouliot, 37 games sans McDavid, and a bunch more lost on depth players.

i don't beleive the oiler finished with the most man games lost
- derm10

Well go check it out.

I believe NJ had more games but Edmonton had the highest amount of impact player games lost.

I think they did, but if they didn't they definitely did in quality of man games lost. 52 games sans their top Dman, 31 without their third best, 13 games sans Eberle, 27 games sans Nuge and Pouliot, 37 games sans McDavid, and a bunch more lost on depth players.
- MaximumBone

1 TOR 448
NJD 405
MTL 383
EDM 367
BUF 346
ARI 331
VAN 327
COL 317
PIT 313

The Seguin move concerns me a little bit, but remember he traded Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton in the first place. How quickly people forget
- 6ringslowe

Not exactly. He traded Kessel for two 1sts and a second. A great value obviously but nobody at the time entertained the possibility that both picks would end up in the top 10.

He was lucky in that respect.

Well go check it out.

I believe NJ had more games but Edmonton had the highest amount of impact player games lost.
- Iggysbff

what classifies an impact player..... price? jvr?

what classifies an impact player..... price? jvr?
- derm10

Both impact guys. But there are some who have made metrics for it to try to quantify the quality of the minutes lost. Edmonton was at the top back in February for sure but may have finished a bit lower.

Point is we had a lot of high impact guys out. If not the most close to it.

I think they did, but if they didn't they definitely did in quality of man games lost. 52 games sans their top Dman, 31 without their third best, 13 games sans Eberle, 27 games sans Nuge and Pouliot, 37 games sans McDavid, and a bunch more lost on depth players.
- MaximumBone

that is only 160 man games... and players so impactful u dont even name then by name

Both impact guys. But there are some who have made metrics for it to try to quantify the quality of the minutes lost. Edmonton was at the top back in February for sure but may have finished a bit lower.

Point is we had a lot of high impact guys out. If not the most close to it.
- Iggysbff

does toronto get to use that excuse also?

does toronto get to use that excuse also?
- derm10

Now you're being a jackass. If you look back myself and others have said it's not an acceptable excuse.

As an outsider who doesn't really care, I'll just say that RNH is NOT a defensive player or a winner. He's the type of player you find on the top 6 of mediocre at best teams. He's very talented and he will forever show promise and sparkles. But if I were edmonton managment, I would put him at the top of a trade-for-D list.
- jackzack87

You're free to have that opinion but players of his style are seen all around winning teams. Stepan (2C), Granlund (2-3C), Datsyuk (1C), Ribeiro (soft-comp 2C), and Nielsen (2C) to name a few. They're all smaller players that play a slippery playmaking game and contribute on defense (with the exception of Ribeiro) by using their stick. He's not the elite #1 like Datsyuk, but he's no far cry from Stepan or Nielsen. He's also younger than all of those mentioned.

As an outsider who doesn't really care, I'll just say that RNH is NOT a defensive player or a winner. He's the type of player you find on the top 6 of mediocre at best teams. He's very talented and he will forever show promise and sparkles. But if I were edmonton managment, I would put him at the top of a trade-for-D list.
- jackzack87

If they trade Nuge I hope it's to the Leafs. But we don't have what they need in return. I like Ebs too but our D is also weak.

If they trade Nuge I hope it's to the Leafs. But we don't have what they need in return. I like Ebs too but our D is also weak.
- shack67

ebs for marincin

Not exactly. He traded Kessel for two 1sts and a second. A great value obviously but nobody at the time entertained the possibility that both picks would end up in the top 10.

He was lucky in that respect.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Good GM's tend to get "lucky" more often than bad ones though, wouldn't you say?

What I mean by that is good GM's see value when they see it, having that foresight gives you more opportunity for moves to work out in your favour.

Examples:
- Ray Shero trading Alex Gogligoski for Matt Niskanen and James Neal
- Chiarelli trading Phil Kessel for the 2010 first, 2011 first and a second
- Steve Yzerman trading Cory Conacher for Ben Bishop

If nothing else though, I'd prefer a wheelin and dealin GM rather than one that does nothing, because doing nothing so far has gotten us nowhere

that is only 160 man games... and players so impactful u dont even name then by name
- derm10

Except for the 6 that I did Or would you like me to lay out the names of the two Dmen? Klefbom out for 52 and Davidson out for 31.

1 TOR 448
NJD 405
MTL 383
EDM 367
BUF 346
ARI 331
VAN 327
COL 317
PIT 313
- derm10

Avs don't count, Winchester and Stuart count towards that and both were out for he season to start, Avs were healthy for the most part all season

Except for the 6 that I did Or would you like me to lay out the names of the two Dmen? Klefbom out for 52 and Davidson out for 31.
- MaximumBone

u named 4...

that is only 160 man games... and players so impactful u dont even name then by name
- derm10

Man either you're intentionally obtuse or you're trollin. If Nick Bonino got injured vs Sidney Crosby got injured, which would have a bigger impact on their team? Or are you one of those guys who needs numbers to make every argument make sense for you?

does toronto get to use that excuse also?
- derm10

If you want to use it as an excuse, sure. That having been said, your team lost 42 games of JVR, 15 games of Komarov, 25 of Bozak, 5 games of PAP, 6 games of Kadri (were any of those scratches?), and 3 games of Gardiner. The primary thing being you guys had your top-3 D healthy for the vast majority of your year whereas our team didn't.

Man either you're intentionally obtuse or you're trollin. If Nick Bonino got injured vs Sidney Crosby got injured, which would have a bigger impact on their team? Or are you one of those guys who needs numbers to make every argument make sense for you?
- 6ringslowe

They have fancy charts for this now

u named 4...
- derm10

Because I figured I wouldn't need to name the other two as I listed their games lost, but evidently I should've guessed you didn't want to do any research of your own to try to understand our team's roster better. See, normally when you come in to another team's thread, you assume a certain level of responsibility to put in effort to understand the opposing team and their situation.

Only bad teams argue over who had the most injuries. Last year it was the Jackets excuse for their troubles. Look at the pens and bolts... They just keep playing.

Only bad teams argue over who had the most injuries. Last year it was the Jackets excuse for their troubles. Look at the pens and bolts... They just keep playing.
- shack67

youre a bad team


Boom roasted

Because I figured I wouldn't need to name the other two as I listed their games lost, but evidently I should've guessed you didn't want to do any research of your own to try to understand our team's roster better. See, normally when you come in to another team's thread, you assume a certain level of responsibility to put in effort to understand the opposing team and their situation.
- MaximumBone