I would draft Laine over Matthews almost 100 times out of a 100. He is boner Jams
- DDM-Coga

You'll get your chance when the Avs and Devils win #1 and #2 in the lotto.

I would draft Laine over Matthews almost 100 times out of a 100. He is boner Jams
- DDM-Coga

I could watch Laine take passes from McDavid and score many goals for years to come...wouldnt even get old

You'll get your chance when the Avs and Devils win #1 and #2 in the lotto.
- smellmyfinger

Can we get first then so we can trick Arizona into giving us OEL for the #1 pick? (im allowed to dream that their ownership will get so zealoous over Matthews that they demand they get him at any cost) then Fatmarsh can still have Laine at #2

Matthews couldn't get a "potential" top pairing guy like brodin or trouba ??!

Forget what the teams that have those assets actually want or need. We're talking straight up value.
You fundamentally misunderstand value if you believe this.
In fact, I believe you might be able to acquire a true top pairing guy now for an asset if that value

In fact, imo, those moves didn't historically not take place because said team wasn't willing to give up anything of value, but because said team with a potential kid that could be franchise, didn't think the offer was enough

Laine or pulujarvi ? Marginally less in value, but again, depending on needs, there's no doubt whatsoever the value is there
- HB77

And therein lies your problem there. If you don't have a dance partner you're not making any trade. The value doesn't mean anything if teams don't want what you're offering. Why would the Islanders trade a PROVEN defenseman in Hamonic for a prospect like Laine that MIGHT turn out? They're in the playoffs, they want to get better, not worse!

If you're so sold on the value of the pick, why wouldn't the team just keep the pick, take the player and trade a veteran? Oh yeah, because you don't want to get rid of PROVEN assets like Eberle or Pouliot, you'd rather dump off MAYBES and HOPEFULS like Yakupov and whoever the Oilers draft. Your whole argument contradicts itself my friend.

My main issue isn't from hindsight, and seeing how awful it worked out, it is more from the fact he had the chance to put a stop to the revolving door of coaches, and give Kreuger at least a chance to see what he could have done.

Also which "experienced" gm's were after his services? Serious question.
- leonkennedy

I agree that MacT made a big mistake in letting Kreuger, a well known and respected coach on the international level go, especially since he actually helped the others improve in the lockout season (They drafted 7th place instead of 1st, hooray!). Yakupov was also looking like a stellar #1 pick under Kreuger's coaching.

However, many people are bashing MacT without addressing what he actually did for the team.

MacT did the best he could do with what he had, among with the situation at hand.
He got us Perron which at the time looked like a steal from STL. He developed LD CORRECTLY. He showed Petry the door when he wanted 6mill per year, yet he only plays consistently at the Top 4 level. What he did at the 2014 NHL draft with the draft picks was creative, great, and well thoughtout. He also got us Fayne, who imo, is great for the bottom paring role (Too much cap hit though). He drastically improved our pipeline prospects with the draft picks he acquired. He then sold Perron for solid value. He drafted Nurse and LD, which was actually a bit of a surprise to some scouts in the league, but the way they have been developed has definitely been a positive thing for us. These are the reasons why Chiarelli ACTUALLY respected MacT and kept him on the management board, especially in the provision and supervision of scouting and Bakersfield activity.

Of course there are places where MacT did make mistakes like firing Kreuger and hiring Eakins, which at the time seemed like the great thing to do, but hindsight begged to differ. He also mishandled the Dubynk situation (Reports were coming out that Dubynk actually had personal problems at the time), not to mention the Schultz fiasco (Which, imo, is actually due to the lack of developing Schultz properly). He also signed Nikitin and Ference, who at the time were valued at decent, but are now a hindering element in regards to the team. However, remember that this was MacT's first year as a GM, therefore mistakes and hindsighted dilemmas were bound to happen.

Overall grade for MacT would be anywhere within the range of a B to a C; I'd give him a B-.
He didn't address the right side of the defense in the best way possible (Fayne was a decent add, but Nikitin wasn't), but he drastically improved our depth, provided us with Nurse and LD (Who weren't the consensus picks for the current slots we had; there was debate), and etc.

And therein lies your problem there. If you don't have a dance partner you're not making any trade. The value doesn't mean anything if teams don't want what you're offering. Why would the Islanders trade a PROVEN defenseman in Hamonic for a prospect like Laine that MIGHT turn out? They're in the playoffs, they want to get better, not worse!

If you're so sold on the value of the pick, why wouldn't the team just keep the pick and take the player? Oh yeah, because you don't want to get rid of PROVEN assets like Eberle or Pouliot, you'd rather dump off MAYBES and HOPEFULS like Yakupov and whoever the Oilers draft. Your whole argument contradicts itself my friend.
- 6ringslowe

Huh?
Hamonic asked for a trade! He's probably going no matter what.
Let alone for a piece like laine.
You literally chose the worst example of all the guys I mentioned

And they might keep the pick. But whether they choose to deal it or not has nothing to do with value. It depends on which strategy they choose to go owith. And I laid out multiple plausibilities

When did I say I wouldn't trade eberle ? Or even nuge?

Dude, I don't know where u came from, but you've come to a gunfight armed with a knife. You're entitled to your opinion. That's all any of us have. But using definitives with little to no proof doesn't prive ones point

There's absolutely zero contradiction in any statement I've made at any point.

This guy
- HB77

Im serious, Laine just looks like such a game breaker, the fact they are comparing him to Mario with how offensively gifted he is, with his size, and how he uses it.

He seems like such the franchise whole package winger

You'll get your chance when the Avs and Devils win #1 and #2 in the lotto.
- smellmyfinger

Im serious, Laine just looks like such a game breaker, the fact they are comparing him to Mario with how offensively gifted he is, with his size, and how he uses it.

He seems like such the franchise whole package winger
- DDM-Coga

There wasnt much of a debate at the beginning of the season it was all Matthews all the time but now Laine is creeping up into the convos which speaks alot for Laine...its alot closer then what it was and if you get Laine or Matthews its going to be a very solid pick

Im serious, Laine just looks like such a game breaker, the fact they are comparing him to Mario with how offensively gifted he is, with his size, and how he uses it.

He seems like such the franchise whole package winger
- DDM-Coga

I know you are

And I don't neccesRily disagree

The kid gives me wood

For the oilers, he's probably far more of a need too.
same goes for the avs potentially

I know you are

And I don't neccesRily disagree

The kid gives me wood

For the oilers, he's probably far more of a need too.
same goes for the avs potentially
- HB77

Laine MacKinnon Rantanen

Give it to me, give it to me now

Im serious, Laine just looks like such a game breaker, the fact they are comparing him to Mario with how offensively gifted he is, with his size, and how he uses it.

He seems like such the franchise whole package winger
- DDM-Coga

He definitely could make a case for being picked #1 instead of Matthews. I've heard the reports about that kid too.

If we obtain the #2 pick and Laine isn't the #1 pick or if we get the #1 pick, I can definitely see Chia drafting him and trading Eberle.

The kid is like a mix of Lemeiux + kurri imo.

And therein lies your problem there. If you don't have a dance partner you're not making any trade. The value doesn't mean anything if teams don't want what you're offering. Why would the Islanders trade a PROVEN defenseman in Hamonic for a prospect like Laine that MIGHT turn out? They're in the playoffs, they want to get better, not worse!

If you're so sold on the value of the pick, why wouldn't the team just keep the pick, take the player and trade a veteran? Oh yeah, because you don't want to get rid of PROVEN assets like Eberle or Pouliot, you'd rather dump off MAYBES and HOPEFULS like Yakupov and whoever the Oilers draft. Your whole argument contradicts itself my friend.
- 6ringslowe

The thing with Hamonic is different because he has asked for a trade and on top of that Snow has a very limited list on teams he can even deal with and he probably wont get 100% of what he wants for him in the end....under normal circumstances the guy doesnt even get traded its not even a thought

The thing with Hamonic is different because he has asked for a trade and on top of that Snow has a very limited list on teams he can even deal with and he probably wont get 100% of what he wants for him in the end....under normal circumstances the guy doesnt even get traded its not even a thought
- RatedR80

If Laine is drafted by the Oilers, I'd say there is a 90% chance that there will be an Eberle for Hamonic + trade in the offseason.

If Laine is drafted by the Oilers, I'd say there is a 90% chance that there will be an Eberle for Hamonic + trade in the offseason.
- EdmHockeyMan

Thats pretty much what I have been saying if Ebs gets traded and we draft say #2 then I can see PC taking Laine...if we draft #1 then I see what we can get for the shot at drafting Matthews....hard to predict now because we dont even know where we are drafting...could be 5th which changes things

He definitely could make a case for being picked #1 instead of Matthews. I've heard the reports about that kid too.

If we obtain the #2 pick and Laine isn't the #1 pick or if we get the #1 pick, I can definitely see Chia drafting him and trading Eberle.

The kid is like a mix of Lemeiux + kurri imo.
- EdmHockeyMan

stay out of my country, EuroLanche is in full effect.
You stick to Canada and America for players

stay out of my country, EuroLanche is in full effect.
You stick to Canada and America for players
- DDM-Coga

You are a free agent fan though so the EuroLanche tour has been cancelled

You are a free agent fan though so the EuroLanche tour has been cancelled
- RatedR80

damn you

Historically teams don't trade top 4 defensemen for reclamation projects and hopeful prospects. They just don't. Look from the perspective of another team at a deal of Yakupov and the #2-3 overall pick for one of your top 4 defensemen. Why would any team make that trade? You're trading away a proven commodity to roll the dice on 2 maybes? I'm sorry keep dreaming its not gonna happen. On paper that trade might have fair valuation but on paper means squat in the real world as we know all too well.
- 6ringslowe

If they have depth on D, need some cap space, and lack high end scoring talent. That one's kind of a given. As much as it's "just a prospect" going back, it's about as elite a prospect as you can get.

Can we get first then so we can trick Arizona into giving us OEL for the #1 pick? (im allowed to dream that their ownership will get so zealoous over Matthews that they demand they get him at any cost) then Fatmarsh can still have Laine at #2
- RatedR80

Fair enough as long as the Devils are somewhere in the top 3.

If they have depth on D, need some cap space, and lack high end scoring talent. That one's kind of a given. As much as it's "just a prospect" going back, it's about as elite a prospect as you can get.
- MaximumBone

I know that in terms of what we should offer to shore up deficiencies, we disagree on a deep level

But in terms of this post, the value is hardly debateable

And Team needs are irrelevant cause it's fluid and ever changing

Why are you talking about drafting another forward?
- Barkovolchuck

We're talking about filling the hole we leave by trading one or more of our young forwards. But I get the feeling you don't actually care and are just trying to stir something up.

Why are you talking about drafting another forward?
- Barkovolchuck

Cause

Chycrun solves no short term needs

We have young high potential prospects in nurse , klefbom , etc

We'll certainly consider Jacob depending, but to assume it's silly to take someone else in the top 3 ignores the big picture

Why are you talking about drafting another forward?
- Barkovolchuck

Because we draft forwards...pay attention

Because we draft forwards...pay attention
- RatedR80

This


Keep up bro