toronto, montrea, carolina

i could live with that
- daeth

you can live with me if you want baby gurl

I threw some fries over there! Go get them and leave us alone.

Love you
- RickJames77

Fries?


Love you, too.

This makes the original conversation so much more sinister!

Steven?
- Seanook

I didn't do it. *coughs up a feather*

you can live with me if you want baby gurl
- twiztedmike

Have a good night guys

Have a good night guys
- RickJames77

(frank) yo couch

Night brosif mcgee

I didn't do it. *coughs up a feather*
- Steven_Seagull

Where you from gullsie?

Hypothetical here but if the buds get 1st overall and Arizona 4th, would it not make sense to trade the 1st overall for Dvorak and the 4th overall then use that to draft Tkachuk? If Arizona would do that, then make that trade. Yeah Matthews is good and all but is he better than Dvorak and Tkachuk combined? It's a win win for both, Arizona get's a hometown kid they can market the poop out of, while Toronto still gets a center plus another winger to speed up the rebuild and both have previous chemistry with Marner. I can totally see this playing out.

Hypothetical here but if the buds get 1st overall and Arizona 4th, would it not make sense to trade the 1st overall for Dvorak and the 4th overall then use that to draft Tkachuk? If Arizona would do that, then make that trade. Yeah Matthews is good and all but is he better than Dvorak and Tkachuk combined? It's a win win for both, Arizona get's a hometown kid they can market the poop out of, while Toronto still gets a center plus another winger to speed up the rebuild and both have previous chemistry with Marner. I can totally see this playing out.
- Vavrakadabra

420 it

if leafs move that 1st overall pick to arizona, they better be getting strome and their 1st (which better be top 3 at minimum). there is no way they move the 1st overall pick for dvorak and arizona's 1st even if they have the 2nd overall pick.

this whole, picking from only london thing is getting ridiculous. if dubois is the better player between him and tkachuk, they should be picking him. in no way should they be influenced by the fact that tkachuk plays for london and beside marner. dubois is leading his points in team, and he doesn't play with anyone near the calibre of marner.
- matt1337

ask Craig Button what he would do - and do the opposite.
if you need further back-up for the decision - also ask Steve Simmons

Hypothetical here but if the buds get 1st overall and Arizona 4th, would it not make sense to trade the 1st overall for Dvorak and the 4th overall then use that to draft Tkachuk? If Arizona would do that, then make that trade. Yeah Matthews is good and all but is he better than Dvorak and Tkachuk combined? It's a win win for both, Arizona get's a hometown kid they can market the poop out of, while Toronto still gets a center plus another winger to speed up the rebuild and both have previous chemistry with Marner. I can totally see this playing out.
- Vavrakadabra

My take on it is this..

In theory its understandable why some may think thats a smart move for the Leafs. But i think its a horrible idea. They could get more from ARI than Dvorak and the 4th. The question of "is Matthews better than Dvorak and Tkatchuk combined?" Isnt that simple. Its not even a given that both of those guys would produce more than Matthews. Every team has a set amount of forwards, so if we got Dvorak and Tkatchuk you have to consider thats two roster spots instead of one. Whoever ends up playing with Matthews is going to be a good player so the equation would look more like Matthews + player X vs Dvorak and Tkatchuk.

Theres actually a significant difference between a good player and a very good player.. thats gamebreaker ability. I would rather at this point have a very good player join the Leafs opposed to two good players. It's kinda like saying would you rather have Stamkos or Kucherov and Palat? The latter two may combine for more points, but they aren't elite. They aren't gamebreakers.. (kuch is a playoff savage tho). The Leafs already have the bottom 9 players they need. Marner will create chemistry with anyone he plays with. I think people put too much stock in junior line combinations. Trying to be greedy and more out of the 1st pick by trading it would be a massive mistake and Leafs management would never go for it. If you have a chance to draft a talent like Matthews you do it.

It also wouldn't speed up the rebuild as both those players would some more seasoning (tkatchuk in london and Dvorak with the Marlies). Matthews would step in immediately and contribute. Matthews would instantly make the players around him better and also attract decent FA's to want to sign in TO. Theres many spin-off effects going the Matthews route. Thats why i think the Leafs wouldnt consider it unless it was an offer they couldnt refuse.

Wow the refs did a gut shot on the Blues

Hypothetical here but if the buds get 1st overall and Arizona 4th, would it not make sense to trade the 1st overall for Dvorak and the 4th overall then use that to draft Tkachuk? If Arizona would do that, then make that trade. Yeah Matthews is good and all but is he better than Dvorak and Tkachuk combined? It's a win win for both, Arizona get's a hometown kid they can market the poop out of, while Toronto still gets a center plus another winger to speed up the rebuild and both have previous chemistry with Marner. I can totally see this playing out.
- Vavrakadabra

That not even remotely close to enough. No where near enough to even begin to think about it. That is a ridiculous offer. Mathews (potential #1 C, franchise player) is worth more than dropping 3 spots and a decent prospect.

Hypothetical here but if the buds get 1st overall and Arizona 4th, would it not make sense to trade the 1st overall for Dvorak and the 4th overall then use that to draft Tkachuk? If Arizona would do that, then make that trade. Yeah Matthews is good and all but is he better than Dvorak and Tkachuk combined? It's a win win for both, Arizona get's a hometown kid they can market the poop out of, while Toronto still gets a center plus another winger to speed up the rebuild and both have previous chemistry with Marner. I can totally see this playing out.
- Vavrakadabra

Zona can't get the 4th pick via the lottery. Only 1-3 or 7-10.


Dream squashed.

Zona can't get the 4th pick via the lottery. Only 1-3 or 7-10.


Dream squashed.
- The Law

Cold bloooooded!

If I wrote a book about failure and it didn't sell, would that be a success?

That not even remotely close to enough. No where near enough to even begin to think about it. That is a ridiculous offer. Mathews (potential #1 C, franchise player) is worth more than dropping 3 spots and a decent prospect.
- burn

The only way I consider a trade down with Arizona is if it's strome, Merkley, and their 1st. I would ponder long and hard about it, but even then it's only a 10% yes.

If I wrote a book about failure and it didn't sell, would that be a success?
- Woderwick

No it'd be a failure

Wow the refs did a gut shot on the Blues
- AdamFrench

yup.

terrible.

that was the Blues game - the offiside call was ruled that way because the player's foot was off the ice...

but there's no way that player broke the plain before the puck going over the blueline - either they need to change what the rule is based on ... OR the guys doing the review need to get a clue.

and the little rat pushed Ladd pushed Elliots head after having pushed him backwards.

terrible calls.

Toronto would never trade their first overall since Wendel....that would be PR suicide

The only way I consider a trade down with Arizona is if it's strome, Merkley, and their 1st. I would ponder long and hard about it, but even then it's only a 10% yes.
- matt1337

I would suggest - if Arizona is that desperate to grab Matthews something like
Strome
2016 1st from Phoenix
2017 1st from Phoenix (not lottery protected)

I'm saying this because I doubt that Merkley or anything else they have prospects wise is significant improvement over what the Leafs already have.

Assuming the Coyotes are still a basement or near-basement team in 2017 a non-lottery protected pick to go along with the Leafs very likely bottom 5 pick ... a nice little prospects cabinet filling exercise.

Now if I'm the Coyotes GM I wouldn't make this deal... but that would all depend upon how that individual views the value of acquiring Matthews - whilst surrendering Strome plus.

toronto, montrea, carolina

i could live with that
- daeth

Hell no.
Toronto, american team, american team, edmonton
No other canadian team in the top three

Hell no.
Toronto, american team, american team, edmonton
No other canadian team in the top three
- Fakepartofme

If you change American team number one or two to NJ Devils I will be your friend.

I would suggest - if Arizona is that desperate to grab Matthews something like
Strome
2016 1st from Phoenix
2017 1st from Phoenix (not lottery protected)

I'm saying this because I doubt that Merkley or anything else they have prospects wise is significant improvement over what the Leafs already have.

Assuming the Coyotes are still a basement or near-basement team in 2017 a non-lottery protected pick to go along with the Leafs very likely bottom 5 pick ... a nice little prospects cabinet filling exercise.

Now if I'm the Coyotes GM I wouldn't make this deal... but that would all depend upon how that individual views the value of acquiring Matthews - whilst surrendering Strome plus.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I doubt that they would move that much for the pick though. As good as Matthews is, they could easily miss the playoffs. The west is a cluster (frank) of good teams. They are no way guaranteed a playoff spot

If you change American team number one or two to NJ Devils I will be your friend.
- smellmyfinger

I have too many friends