not saying he's not a good coach but he is messing with Stamkos as far as where he plays, but that's my opinion.
- SABRES 89

Agree.

Completely mishandled. I think it's a bit of a power play by Cooper. He comes in and takes on the superstar to show he's the boss. Never like people like that. If you're secure in yourself and your abilities you don't need to pull that bullpoop.

Pure speculation ...........
- fastek

No, it's not.

Possible ........... the thing is ........ nobody will ever know.
- fastek

Maybe not...
But we can still make logical assumptions

Thinking that Yzerman knows "something" that no one else does just isn't grounded in fact at all.

And like I said before,
If this were true he'd have traded him
Because that would make sense

Also, things like you suggest don't stay secret now a days

After listening to Murray's presser today I gathered a few things...

-He wanted a qb for his defense but doesn't think 8th overall would be enough and likely sees getting a great one as a pipe dream
- He would like to keep pick for the fans but again if he gets a great deal (unlikely) he would consider trading it.
- He knows of GM's he can for sure trade with. (Anaheim? Ottawa? Minnesota?)
- He isn't buying out Moulson (Looks like we're stuck)
- Sounds like Franson isn't going anywhere either...
- Doesn't seem too attached to Girgensons
- Doesn't seem like he wants to really add much on offense in terms of major moves...
- Doesn't see much depth in the FA pool. (Doesn't mean we aren't going after Stamkos but his comments made it seem like we weren't going to have a major shake up which is what signing Stamkos would be)
- bluengold12

Do you know where the full presser is? I could only find like a 3 minute excerpt. I haven't checked WGR yet, but I've heard their audio vault is useless.

Agree.

Completely mishandled. I think it's a bit of a power play by Cooper. He comes in and takes on the superstar to show he's the boss. Never like people like that. If you're secure in yourself and your abilities you don't need to pull that bullpoop.
- Wetbandit1

I actually wonder if this supposed riff between the 2 is overblown?
Cooper moved Stamkos to the wing in the playoffs to free him up bc he wasn't scoring...
Stamkos didn't pout, he didn't even complain. He said he'd prefer center (why wouldn't he? It's the position he was used to), but he'd do whatever to help the team win
Then he started scoring...
And they got all the way to the Cup

Unless there's more to it?

Which there might be...
Idk though

Seems to me like the bigger issue here is that Stamkos might have felt slighted with trade rumors last summer & then getting low-balled by Yzerman.

I'm sure there's more to it behind the scenes that we don't know about though

Do you know where the full presser is? I could only find like a 3 minute excerpt. I haven't checked WGR yet, but I've heard their audio vault is useless.
- Wetbandit1

I listened to the first part of it on the audio vault earlier
I listen to a lot of stuff on it
I think it works just fine

This is the rib everyone is freaking out about... I've had bigger boogers than that. Ok not really, but you get my point. It's very, very different to McCormick and Dupuis. Both those guys had life threatening, emergency situations. Obviously it's still nothing to shake a stick at and could cause problems if left untreated, but so can an ingrown toenail. People hear blood clot and think heart attack and stroke like what very easily could've happened to McCormick and Dupuis, but the Stamkos thing again, not making light of it, isn't anywhere near as serious as the other 2 guys. If you find a problem on Friday or Saturday, but can wait until Monday for surgery to repair it; it's not a super duper emergency like say having chest pain because you have a clot in your lung would be. I'm not sure I can even think of another hockey player that had the same issue as Stamkos.



Edit: Fleischmann had PE's(clots in his lungs which are way more serious than Stamkos) and he's still playing up to his old standard. Vokoun couldn't come back after his bout with DVT's(clots in his legs again, potentially very, very serious) And Timonen and Dupuis's clotting issues stemmed from injuries. Timonen blocked a shot and Dupuis because of a knee injury. Timonen came back, albeit at the end of his career, so it's impossible to tell if there was any real long term effect. Dupuis retired because he couldn't get it under control, same with Vokoun, but again those guys all had DVT's that turned into PE's. Stamkos is similar only in that he also had a blood clot, but that's where the similarities end. It's like say breaking your ankle because you slipped on some ice, not fun, but not as bad as having your foot ripped off at the ankle by a bear. Both ankle/foot injuries, one is way, way worse than the other.
- Wetbandit1

Hope you're right but I think its the blood thinners that makes it a problem going forward.

No, it's not.
- Wetbandit1

There's ZERO issue with him going forward? Really ?

And you are convinced of this how again? You watch a lot of medical shows on TV perhaps ?

There's ZERO issue with him going forward? Really ?

And you are convinced of this how again? You watch a lot of medical shows on TV perhaps ?
- fastek

My hematology degree with a fellowship at Johns Hopkins in vascular surgery of course... Kidding, although I do have a pretty heavy bio background from college. Just from what I've read about his case. It seems very straight forward and not in any way comparable to the other guys I've listed. Other than they've all had/have clots. All their problems started with the DVT and then spiraled from there. This thing with Stamkos is localized issue they went in and fixed it, but anytime you have any vascular work done you're probably going to go on blood thinners for a little while especially if it's because you've had a clot somewhere. Like everything in this life it comes down to location, location, location in the leg? Bad with the potential wo be very bad. In the lungs? Very bad, life threatening. In the heart or brain? Probably already dead. And the removal of the rib. It's surgery, sure, but it's not super involved like triple bypass or something.

I also had a bit of a scare last year. I went in to the doc so he could look at my ankle. I had been having pain on and off for months and my lower leg would swell up. Sometimes independently of the pain, sometimes with it. He looks at me for about 3 seconds and says "you have to go to the hospital/call your doctor to get an ultrasound right now, not later today, not tonight, not tomorrow, now. those are all signs of a clot" I had to call 2 doctors before I could get the script for it then called over to the place and they said come right in and so I did. I didn't even have to fill out the forms beforehand that's how quickly they wanted me in there. They gave me the ultrasound. Thankfully there was no clot, but had there been, I would've been in an ambulance before I could get my pants back on to get treatment and possible surgery to go and get it before it could kill me. So I know a thing or two about blood clots. I'm obviously not a doctor, but neither am I just some guy off the street.

Stamkos, again, from what I read wasn't in any imminent danger of life and limb. Because of where the clot was. It was already in his shoulder in an artery, and in order to get to the heart/lungs/brain, well it couldn't get to his heart or lungs or brain due to the setup of your circulatory system. It's possible he could've lost blood flow to his arm, but you have time to get to the hospital at that point for any emergency surgery.

On that note I'm going to bed. Goodnight you bastards.

EDMONTON SUN:
Jim Matheson speculates if Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli trades winger Nail Yakupov “it’ll likely be for a bigger body at forward who plays a different style. Maybe somebody like Marcus Foligno in Buffalo, along with a draft pick.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE:
After putting up 20 points in 57 games last season, the 24-year-old Foligno regressed this season with only 23 in 75 games. Perhaps this could be a swap of two players in need of a change of scenery

not into Pink Floyd.
- SABRES 89

You're dead to me............

Exhibit #278 why the Oilers are hilarious.

"The Oilers then-General Manager, Kevin Lowe, was reportedly willing to trade Comrie to the Anaheim Ducks for Corey Perry and a first round draft pick,[8] but within that deal sought to have Comrie reimburse the Oilers $2.5 million,[9] which was part of the bonus money he earned from his entry-level contract.[10] After this deal fell through, Comrie was dealt to the Philadelphia Flyers in December 2003, for Jeff Woywitka, a first round selection in 2004 (Rob Schremp), and a third round selection in 2005 (Danny Syvret)."

EDMONTON SUN:
Jim Matheson speculates if Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli trades winger Nail Yakupov “it’ll likely be for a bigger body at forward who plays a different style. Maybe somebody like Marcus Foligno in Buffalo, along with a draft pick.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE:
After putting up 20 points in 57 games last season, the 24-year-old Foligno regressed this season with only 23 in 75 games. Perhaps this could be a swap of two players in need of a change of scenery
- jdfitz77

I think we crucified this exact comment yesterday morning. I'll chime in again with a big ol' (frank) that.

Backes, Zetterberg, Stamkos, all play or sometimes play wing. All take a ton of draws. It doesn't matter who's taking the actual faceoff.

Didn't Steve Ott take a ton of faceoffs?
- sbroads24

OTT IS NOT A CENTER!

OTT IS NOT GOING TO ST LOUIS!

Do you know where the full presser is? I could only find like a 3 minute excerpt. I haven't checked WGR yet, but I've heard their audio vault is useless.
- Wetbandit1

jut checked it is in WGR on demand app.

I think O'Reilly has the most value to our team as a center. I don't see why we couldn't just have Eichel/Stamkos/O'Reilly all play center on 3 scoring lines, we wouldn't HAVE to move one to the wing.
- chilliard77

This team, as it is, has 3 highly skilled guys (Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhardt), Kane and Ennis below them, then the rest of the guys are "3rd line" or lower types (barring potential gems in youngsters who haven't really played/developed yet).

It's tough to field enough good wingers though to take advantage of having such good centers on 3 lines. The 3rd Center of those right now would get the likes of Girgensons, Foligno, Larsson, Deslauriers, Gionta, Moulson, etc. And if you're talking about getting a Stamkos type contract on this team, you can't fill that 3rd line with new blood that will be remotely close to a talent level as the "top 2" lines would be filled out in on the wing.

A lot of those were on the PP and if not one-timers, then he received the pass settled it down and shot it.

His best goals were from playing center. The one against Columbus, the one against Colorado and the one against the hurricanes were all because he had the freedom to roam a bit which you can't really do from the wing. Centers, generally drive possession and he's the best puck carrier in the league. There was a graph, I can't find it. That showed him better in almost all facets of carrying the puck up the ice than anyone else in the league. You're not going to get that if he's restricted to a third of the ice.
- Wetbandit1

Are there any "quality" compilations of his goals this year? I'm talking about something that would have more than just the few seconds prior to each goal. I'd love to see all of his goals with about 15-20 seconds (or longer if it was a longer developing play) on every goal he scored.

I'll have to see if the "new" NHL.com/NHL.tv does something that would make it easy to see all of them, but wondered if there were any good youtube ones.

Are there any "quality" compilations of his goals this year? I'm talking about something that would have more than just the few seconds prior to each goal. I'd love to see all of his goals with about 15-20 seconds (or longer if it was a longer developing play) on every goal he scored.

I'll have to see if the "new" NHL.com/NHL.tv does something that would make it easy to see all of them, but wondered if there were any good youtube ones.
- stashu

There was one posted in Bo0s previous thread .

EDMONTON SUN:
Jim Matheson speculates if Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli trades winger Nail Yakupov “it’ll likely be for a bigger body at forward who plays a different style. Maybe somebody like Marcus Foligno in Buffalo, along with a draft pick.”

SPECTOR’S NOTE:
After putting up 20 points in 57 games last season, the 24-year-old Foligno regressed this season with only 23 in 75 games. Perhaps this could be a swap of two players in need of a change of scenery
- jdfitz77

I wouldn't read to much into that

There was one posted in Bo0s previous thread .
- cabin

Thanks cab, I'll dig through it

Thanks cab, I'll dig through it
- stashu

I did some searching .. no luck

I did some searching .. no luck
- cabin

Yeah, just looked through Boos's last 3 posts and saw no links in comments. Oh well, I'll dig into nhl.tv later today.

Arizona President says there is no way they would trade OEL for a draft pick.

Does Bailey, Guhle and Makarov get it done?
- sbroads24

wat

Garth

SabresBuzz ‏@SabresBuzz 4m4 minutes ago
Murray and Bylsma are searching high and low for a QB. If the can't trade for Cam Fowler, they should go after Erik Karlsson
- yen6d1

SabresBuzz ‏@SabresBuzz 17h17 hours ago
@Sabres_Fans @mjgatas Murray doesn't trade 1st rounders

Hope you're right but I think its the blood thinners that makes it a problem going forward.
- fastek

Tampas back up goalie had the same issue. He had the surgery done last September and was on the ice by the end of October. It was a 6-8 week recovery. It's a totally different surgery and a totally different issue than what you're thinking.