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Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Apr 8 @ 4:03 PM ET
the league has kinda caught up to Ghost as well.

Only 5 assists, no goals in last 12 games.

Next year he will have to make some adjustments. (and hopefully find a better partner)

- MBFlyerfan


I don't buy the Flyers are tired argument too too much, but for Ghost I think it may actually be true. He has never played a full pro season before. Going from 40 games in college to missing an entire season to an 80 game grind is tough. This being one among a few reasons for his slowing down, as you alluded to.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
The Flyers must play boldly this weekend. The boldliest of bold.
- Mononoke

that's a pretty bold statement
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 8 @ 4:23 PM ET
that's a pretty bold statement
- 2Real


so is this
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 8 @ 4:25 PM ET
so is this
- Scoob

pro meme
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
The Flyers must play boldly this weekend. The boldliest of bold.
- Mononoke


Or we will demand VENGEANCE NOW!

Jot that one down, marketing guys.....it's ALL YOURS!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 4:43 PM ET
Just win, baby #ClutchTime
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 8 @ 4:59 PM ET
Just win, baby #ClutchTime
- BulliesPhan87


OK!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 8 @ 5:10 PM ET
OK!
- funmaster18


It feels damn good to be in control of our own destiny
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 8 @ 5:11 PM ET
It feels damn good to be in control of our own destiny
- Just5


It's not a cindarella run unless you falter late in the game only to redeem yourself in the final hour
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 5:33 PM ET
OK!
- funmaster18

ty
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Apr 8 @ 5:47 PM ET
I don't buy the Flyers are tired argument too too much, but for Ghost I think it may actually be true. He has never played a full pro season before. Going from 40 games in college to missing an entire season to an 80 game grind is tough. This being one among a few reasons for his slowing down, as you alluded to.
- Mononoke


Im not so sure that Ghost has "hit the rookie wall" as much I am aware teams have just learned to key in on him and Giroux.

I have noticed the amount of time and space Ghost is being given to make decisions gradually diminish over the last 15 games or so. I've also noticed teams are playing Giroux air tight and especially physical.

Ghost is not only our most skilled and best puck moving defensemen (by a country mile), he's the third most dangerous player on the entire roster with the puck on his stick. The fact that Voracek isn't playing at the level we've grown accustomed to is compounding these issues greatly.

Issues like this will alleviate in the near future as the team becomes more skilled. But in the mean time, it's just the reality of the way the roster is constructed. Shut down G, Voracek, and Ghost, you're basically asking Simmonds, Coots, and Schenn to run an offense.

Mason is really the only reason we're still in this thing. While we have the goalie, we don't have the defense needed to be a team that can rely on scoring 1-3 goals max to win a game. Guys like Strwit and Amac aren't going to get any better over night, so that leaves one solution. We either wake the offense up, or our seasons over.

For the record, I think moving Jake to the 2nd PP unit wouldn't be a terrible idea.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 8 @ 5:47 PM ET
Any word on the Pens line up tomorrow? They have absolutely nothing to play for tomorrow.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 8 @ 5:47 PM ET
Win out. Just win baby. Stranger things have happened.
- bodiva88


They always do
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Apr 8 @ 6:00 PM ET
Any word on the Pens line up tomorrow? They have absolutely nothing to play for tomorrow.
- SuperSchennBros


i've heard they don't like anyone on our team
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 8 @ 6:03 PM ET
i've heard they don't like anyone on our team
- -davies-

So full roster for them?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 8 @ 6:46 PM ET
i've heard they don't like anyone on our team
- -davies-





No they apparently do not. However one of the local reporters said he doesn't think Sid or Letang will play.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 8 @ 6:51 PM ET


No they apparently do not. However one of the local reporters said he doesn't think Sid or Letang will play.

- madmike71

If I'm Pitt, I wouldn't play either players. We hate them and they hate us. We'll likely make them earn every inch of ice.
LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

Apr 8 @ 6:53 PM ET
The last two games have been very frustrating and I will be very disappointed if they don't make the playoffs. But I try to remind myself that over the past few months this team has been much more fun to watch. They are actually playing as a team, have more heart and fight than the last two-three seasons. They seem to have found an identity.

I'd be full of poop if I said I wouldn't been pissed if they miss the playoffs, but they are a lot better then what I thought they would be. This team has come a far way this season, but they better make the playoffs.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 8 @ 6:58 PM ET
They always do
- ob18

and if they don't?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 8 @ 7:01 PM ET
If I'm Pitt, I wouldn't play either players. We hate them and they hate us. We'll likely make them earn every inch of ice.
- SuperSchennBros


I'd probably agree, but TO and Detroit just happened.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 8 @ 7:01 PM ET
It's not a cindarella run unless you falter late in the game only to redeem yourself in the final hour
- funmaster18


THIS

Someone said it earlier, but it's true: Rather be us right now than the Devils

They can still make it, and it's not some byzantine confluence of events that everyone knows won't happen

They absolutely can still make it. The Rags are gonna roll over tomorrow, but Ottawa isn't

And if they win both games this weekend, it doesn't matter what anyone else does

Better this than being, what, 14 other teams right now
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 8 @ 7:06 PM ET
and if they don't?
- 2Real


They make tee times
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 8 @ 7:32 PM ET
I don't buy the Flyers are tired argument too too much, but for Ghost I think it may actually be true. He has never played a full pro season before. Going from 40 games in college to missing an entire season to an 80 game grind is tough. This being one among a few reasons for his slowing down, as you alluded to.
- Mononoke


I think Gostisbehere is also hurt by his defensive partner. MacDonald isn't the worst player in the NHL, but his passive NZ play tends to lead to a lot more time spent in the Flyers end for him and Gostisbehere.

Teams have adjusted to the Flyers PP-especially the first unit-and when teams get numerous bodies on Giroux & Ghost, the other guys have not been able to perform effectively. Whether it's injury or an inability to step up, it's a big contributing factor to Gostisbehere's dip in production.

I do disagree on the tired aspect. This team has been basically playing playoff type games for 10-12 weeks. Combine that sort of pressure(which admittedly is self induced by their poor play in October & November) with the grueling end of schedule workload of 12 games in 21 days, and fatigue is almost certainly a factor, and I think the mental fatigue is a bigger issue than the physical.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 8 @ 7:41 PM ET
I think Gostisbehere is also hurt by his defensive partner. MacDonald isn't the worst player in the NHL, but his passive NZ play tends to lead to a lot more time spent in the Flyers end for him and Gostisbehere.

Teams have adjusted to the Flyers PP-especially the first unit-and when teams get numerous bodies on Giroux & Ghost, the other guys have not been able to perform effectively. Whether it's injury or an inability to step up, it's a big contributing factor to Gostisbehere's dip in production.

I do disagree on the tired aspect. This team has been basically playing playoff type games for 10-12 weeks. Combine that sort of pressure(which admittedly is self induced by their poor play in October & November) with the grueling end of schedule workload of 12 games in 21 days, and fatigue is almost certainly a factor, and I think the mental fatigue is a bigger issue than the physical.

- Jsaquella


Macdonald scored last night. Ghost, Giroux and Voracek didn't. Therefore Amac>everyone
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 8 @ 7:43 PM ET
phils 0-4 flyers on the verge of missing the playoffs
well at least we got the eagles coming up
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