moulson and a 5th to the yotes or panthers for a 7th

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- jochfr

I can't see Godzilla

It isn't?

I don't disagree that they could be good or that they'd easily be the best LHD on the team but that is hardly an impressive feat considering the lefties we have. I just think with a position as important as top pairing D they cant really afford to take any chances. Especially after all the moves they made to speed this up.
- Sabresfan-365

Considering Philadelpha has two of the best defensive prospects in the league and the best defensive rookie in years I'd say they have outstanding depth.

Let me rephrase my point. I think all three of those defenceman can be future top pair defenceman in the league should they progress. It isn't a sure thing but not much is. Why not be happy we're adding something very good. If Hall or Lindhom aren't available or at least aren't available for what we can offer why not get excited about still getting a very good player in one of the three defeceneman or Nylander and then in addition to that try and trade for a more NHL ready LHD.

For example: Say the price is just absurd for Lindholm. Like Reinhart plus our 2016 first. Murray says no but gets a reasonable trade for Fowler. A 3rd and Ennis or something like that. You still get a decent top 4 LHD for right now in Fowler while also drafting a future top pairing LHD and a guy that could and most likely would be in your top 4 to start next year as well.

Considering Philadelpha has two of the best defensive prospects in the league and the best defensive rookie in years I'd say they have outstanding depth.

Let me rephrase my point. I think all three of those defenceman can be future top pair defenceman in the league should they progress. It isn't a sure thing but not much is. Why not be happy we're adding something very good. If Hall or Lindhom aren't available or at least aren't available for what we can offer why not get excited about still getting a very good player in one of the three defeceneman or Nylander and then in addition to that try and trade for a more NHL ready LHD.

For example: Say the price is just absurd for Lindholm. Like Reinhart plus our 2016 first. Murray says no but gets a reasonable trade for Fowler. A 3rd and Ennis or something like that. You still get a decent top 4 LHD for right now in Fowler while also drafting a future top pairing LHD and a guy that could and most likely would be in your top 4 to start next year as well.
- bluengold12

I would be much more ok with that scenario, though i can't imagine them asking that much for Lindholm. I don't think using that top pick to land a top pair guy is as much of a stretch as you're making it out to be.

moulson and a 5th to the yotes or panthers for a 7th
- homiedclown

Moulson "no thanks I'd rather stay in buffalo"

(Tallon isn't going to waste 5 million on moulson, they have way too many young guys they're going to need to pay)

Moulson "no thanks I'd rather stay in buffalo"

(Tallon isn't going to waste 5 million on moulson, they have way too many young guys they're going to need to pay)
- Mentalorgasm5

Yeah you're probably right. We're stuck. We couldn't trade Hodgson or even Ehrhoff.

Those Clarkson and Pronger deals should be referred to as unicorns

Moulson "no thanks I'd rather stay in buffalo"

(Tallon isn't going to waste 5 million on moulson, they have way too many young guys they're going to need to pay)
- Mentalorgasm5

I think his NTC only allows him to list up top 8 teams he wouldn't go to. Decent chance Florida isn't one of them.

Yeah you're probably right. We're stuck. We couldn't trade Hodgson or even Ehrhoff.

Those Clarkson and Pronger deals should be referred to as unicorns
- bluengold12

Sabres bought out Ehrhoff instead of trading him because if he retired early we would be liable for a huge payout to him even if trade, I thought anyways...?

I would be much more ok with that scenario, though i can't imagine them asking that much for Lindholm. I don't think using that top pick to land a top pair guy is as much of a stretch as you're making it out to be.
- Sabresfan-365

We'll see come draft time I guess... Who knows... Maybe we luck out and win one of the three lottery picks...

Sabres bought out Ehrhoff instead of trading him because if he retired early we would be liable for a huge payout to him even if trade, I thought anyways...?
- RhinoFan

You're right my bad on that one.

We'll see come draft time I guess... Who knows... Maybe we luck out and win one of the three lottery picks...
- bluengold12

Yes, please.

Moulson "no thanks I'd rather stay in buffalo"

(Tallon isn't going to waste 5 million on moulson, they have way too many young guys they're going to need to pay)
- Mentalorgasm5

there is a thing called the cap floor that teams need to get to

there is a thing called the cap floor that teams need to get to


- homiedclown

Could see a team like Winnipeg or Calgary taking him but they are almost undoubtedly on his list of no-no's

there is a thing called the cap floor that teams need to get to


- homiedclown

Yes. Look at Florida's roster, they're not going to have an issue getting there. And I don't see why moulson waives his clause to uproot his family to play in Arizona.

We're stuck with him. Maybe we get lucky an we loose him in an expansion draft.

Starting to accept and get use to the fact we will be drafting 5-9. If we stay at our current spot of 7th there are five very good prospects that will go 5-9 meaning we have a shot at three of them

Juolevi
Chychrun
Sergachev
Nylander
Dubois

I like the top four the best after reading up on them. Segachev has grown the most on me.

"The two-player limit the CHL imposes on its clubs in regards to European-born players may seem restrictive, possibly xenophobic. What you can’t argue, however, is how it enables teams to be far more deliberate and selective when adding a player from across the pond. Russian-born defenseman Mikhail Sergachev is one of those fortunate ones, but take our word for it when we say he’s not your classic European-trained blueliner. He plays an aggressive and punishing style, mixed in with offensive flair and a strong enough sense to either join the rush or create one himself.

Sergachev has anchored Windsor’s top pairing since the season began, logging minutes on both the top power play and penalty killing units. He possesses above-average speed, and owns a powerful stride which makes him difficult to stop when in full flight. Additionally, Sergachev is a mobile playmaker from the back end, capable of connecting on and receiving difficult passes, whether up the ice or diagonally through a maze of sticks. Most impressive is his hard shot, which he can fire with substantial velocity from the point’s deepest areas. The pace and complexity of the next level shouldn’t intimidate him, but his slot coverage is one area where he must improve to complete his development."
- bluengold12

If we miss out on the top 4 forwards, I think I want us to go defense
Chychrun & Juolevi are prob the only top10 guys
We could prob trade down & still get Sergachev

I like all 3 of them though

If we miss out on the top 4 forwards, I think I want us to go defense
Chychrun & Juolevi are prob the only top10 guys
We could prob trade down & still get Sergachev

I like all 3 of them though
- jdfitz77

Sergachev will go in top 10 I think. According to McKenzie a lot of scouts see him as the best defenceman in the draft. If Chychrun & Juolevi go 5& 6 (very possible) We can either go Nylander, Sergachev or Dubois. (Though I prefer the first two)

Sergachev will go in top 10 I think. According to McKenzie a lot of scouts see him as the best defenceman in the draft. If Chychrun & Juolevi go 5& 6 (very possible) We can either go Nylander, Sergachev or Dubois. (Though I prefer the first two)
- bluengold12

Is Gauthier completely out of the conversation at this point? I heard him in same breath as the latter 3 pects you mention...not anymore.

Is Gauthier completely out of the conversation at this point? I heard him in same breath as the latter 3 pects you mention...not anymore.
- RhinoFan

From what I've gathered he has dropped off a bit in production and Dubois is seen a the more complete/more dynamic prospect. Nylander has always been seen as better than him but is a completly different type of player. (More skilled, fast/goal scorer)

Gauthier will probably go anywhere from 9-15. (Hopefully we don't drop that low)

I was just playing around with armchair GM. If the sabres sign stamkos, they need to trade ennis.

Stamkos 11 million for 7 years
Foligno 2.1 for 2 years (I believe this is the min raise)
Girgensons 3.25 for 2 years
Deslauriers .702 tender
Larsson .88 tender
Ristolainen 5.5 for 6 years (gets him until UFA)
McCabe 1.5 for 2 years
McCormick to LTIR
Moulson sent to the AHL
Call up Ullmark (this is the cheap route, rather than signing a UFA)

This only leaves us 436k in cap space, and we would still need a 4th liner, along with room for forward depth (call ups/signings) and a 7th defenseman.

I think ennis being hurt will damage our chances of stamkos, solely due to the fact we won't be able to trade ennis. Some would argue others such as Deslauriers/Larsson/Foligno won't be here, but their caps are modest and we would still need to sign someone to fill their spots. So not much of savings can be argued.

Ennis and Moulson have me thinking it won't be possible to bring in Stamkos.
- Mentalorgasm5

You guys already have 3 good centers in Girgensons, O'Reilly, and Eichel.
Signing Stamkos would not make sense roster wise and cap wise.
It would be better for you guys to invest in acquiring solid wingers that can slot in the 1st and 2nd line, a good 2-way defender, and a great goalie.
Center depth is the least of your team's problems.

You guys already have 3 good centers in Girgensons, O'Reilly, and Eichel.
Signing Stamkos would not make sense roster wise and cap wise.
It would be better for you guys to invest in acquiring solid wingers that can slot in the 1st and 2nd line, a good 2-way defender, and a great goalie.
Center depth is the least of your team's problems.


- EdmHockeyMan

While I agree. Most, including myself don't like Girgensons at the moment. We'd gladly ship him your way in a package for Eberle or Hall...

That being said... You take Stamkos if you can get him and move O'Riley to the wing.

While I agree. Most, including myself don't like Girgensons at the moment. We'd gladly ship him your way in a package for Eberle or Hall..

That being said... You take Stamkos if you can get him and move O'Riley to the wing.
- bluengold12

Eberle is possible, Hall might be too expensive. I don't want to know what Chiarelli will be asking in return for a 60 point player

While I agree. Most, including myself don't like Girgensons at the moment. We'd gladly ship him your way in a package for Eberle or Hall...

That being said... You take Stamkos if you can get him and move O'Riley to the wing.
- bluengold12

If it would be a package, it would have to probably include one of your best defenders, especially if Hall is coming back your way (Possibly Risto.? ).

With that being said, I wouldn't give up on Girgensons just yet.

As for Stamkos, he is looking for long term with a massive payout. You guys still need to worry about signing Eichel and Risto. Not to mention you still are on the look out for a bonafid #1 goalie.

If it would be a package, it would have to probably include one of your best defenders, especially if Hall is coming back your way (Possibly Risto.? ).

With that being said, I wouldn't give up on Girgensons just yet.

As for Stamkos, he is looking for long term with a massive payout. You guys still need to worry about signing Eichel and Risto. Not to mention you still are on the look out for a bonafid #1 goalie.
- EdmHockeyMan

As are you. Talbot's numbers aren't anything too special...

Eberle I could see something like a 3rd Girgensons and one of our D prospects.

Risto would be off the table unless we get to keep our 1st...

I think more likely it would be our first round pick Girgensons plus Guhle or Pysyk

If it would be a package, it would have to probably include one of your best defenders, especially if Hall is coming back your way (Possibly Risto.? ).

With that being said, I wouldn't give up on Girgensons just yet.

As for Stamkos, he is looking for long term with a massive payout. You guys still need to worry about signing Eichel and Risto. Not to mention you still are on the look out for a bonafid #1 goalie.
- EdmHockeyMan

I must be out of my mind, because I could've sworn we traded a 1st round pick for someone to be our #1.


It's one thing to question lehner but when GM gives up a first rounder for a goalie he drafted, it pretty much shuts the door on the goaltending search for a little while.

he'll probably hit 20 wins with a sub 2.40 (possibly sub-2.30) gaa and a .915-ish sv%...those numbers might be good enough for a shot as a no. 1 goaltender somewhere...

that said, i'd like to see him back for one more season as well
- Michael Pachla

He's at 2.40, or well he was before yesterday. I don't think he'll get below 2.30, but you're right. Those numbers on a not so great team could lead to some pretty good offers from desperate teams. I think he uses Martin Jones $3.0M AAV as a comp. Their numbers are quite similar. I don't think he gets there, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see him get $2.0M+.