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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:14 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin had a 2 year period when he was 25-26 (Stamkos age) where he only scored 32 and 38 goals.

Since then

32 goals in 48 games
51
53
43 this season


It's possible we get Stamkos at his low point
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:16 PM ET
Larsson just scored his career high 7th goal of the season. He has 31 total points in his CAREER of 131 games. Girgensons had 30 points last season alone.

That kind of makes my point on this ridiculous comparison that continues. Larsson is a 3rd line player AT BEST. Maybe best suited as a 4th liner.

- JVince11

if girgens is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than larsson


than why isn't it showing on the points this year
on the plus minus this year
on the eye test


serious question


in a cap era, right now a cheaper larsson is the better option, if the goal is to ice the best team and make our top 6 better
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:18 PM ET


You f#cks complain over and over about how we need a heart guy.. how we need that over the top play like its his last shift guy.. we need that guy that bleeds for his team and not the prima donnas out there...

- JVince11

the lion eater is now known as the tin man

Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:18 PM ET
Short temper people are the worst.
- jochfr


especially dumb ones
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:18 PM ET
Short temper people are the worst.
- jochfr

they make lousy drunks

CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:19 PM ET
So then he's not available... Right?
Hahaha

If we draft 5th... That's all they're getting from me
They need a defenseman like Chychrun BAD

- jdfitz77



Haha you think 5th overall alone gets you Hall? I want some of what you're smoking!
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:20 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin had a 2 year period when he was 25-26 (Stamkos age) where he only scored 32 and 38 goals.

Since then

32 goals in 48 games
51
53
43 this season


It's possible we get Stamkos at his low point

- sbroads24

if you could have one goal scorer for the next 3 years only with the sabres


benn
ovi
stamkos?




I would take ovi for 3 years, stamkos for 7
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:20 PM ET
Haha you think 5th overall alone gets you Hall? I want some of what you're smoking!
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

That's methed up
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:20 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin had a 2 year period when he was 25-26 (Stamkos age) where he only scored 32 and 38 goals.

Since then

32 goals in 48 games
51
53
43 this season


It's possible we get Stamkos at his low point

- sbroads24




I think the contract situation has clearly been a distraction

And I think that it's understated that the talent he's played with has been pretty average since StLouis was traded

We're on here all the time talking about how we need to find talented enough wingers to play with Eichel...
I don't see how it's any different with Stamkos
Of course his #s are gonna drop when he's consistently playing with guys he's gotta carry- instead of guys that can also help "create"

It's very reasonable to think his #s would leap back up if he were playing with Jack or Sam or O'Reilly



homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:21 PM ET
Haha you think 5th overall alone gets you Hall? I want some of what you're smoking!
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:21 PM ET
if you could have one goal scorer for the next 3 years only with the sabres


benn
ovi
stamkos?




I would take ovi for 3 years, stamkos for 7

- homiedclown

For the next 3? Ovechkin. Next 7? Benn. Most realistic, Stamkos
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:22 PM ET
any chance for hall ended when the sabres made the trades for kane, bogo and ror IMO
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:25 PM ET
any chance for hall ended when the sabres made the trades for kane, bogo and ror IMO
- homiedclown



Explain? Being serious. Curious on this thought.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:25 PM ET
Haha you think 5th overall alone gets you Hall? I want some of what you're smoking!
- CoHo_to_B-Lo



I don't value him the way some others do on here
Especially when we could potentially get a better player in Stamkos without giving up anything

Some team would most likely overpay much more than I'd give for him
And I also doubt that the Oilers would trade Hall for Pysyk + +
And that's what that suggested deal is really
Bc the MOST important piece they need back if they trade Hall is a top pair defenseman

Maybe they take Pysyk too if they feel whatever defenseman they can get with our pick is the guy they're looking for...

I don't think we make good trade partners though
lung3r
Buffalo Sabres
Location: i'm your huckleberry, NY
Joined: 02.13.2015

Mar 25 @ 1:27 PM ET
Alex Ovechkin had a 2 year period when he was 25-26 (Stamkos age) where he only scored 32 and 38 goals.

Since then

32 goals in 48 games
51
53
43 this season


It's possible we get Stamkos at his low point

- sbroads24



But but i thought you said players peak at this age.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:27 PM ET
Explain? Being serious. Curious on this thought.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


The pieces aren't there. The guys they would have interest in (zads, myers etc.) are gone as a result of those deals.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:27 PM ET
if you could have one goal scorer for the next 3 years only with the sabres

benn
ovi
stamkos?

I would take ovi for 3 years, stamkos for 7

- homiedclown




Only one of them is a possibility though
Stamkos is a "no brainer" for me
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:29 PM ET
But but i thought you said players peak at this age.
- lung3r

Not elite players. Which was one of the main things people ignored about the article.

This has been mentioned like 800 times. Nice try though
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:29 PM ET
Well, I'm willing to be talked out of it, but here's my question.

If a 20 goal guy (who get assists along the way too - so maybe 30 points?) is only worth $4M, maybe, why is a 40 goal 80 point guy worth $12? Doesn't the math say 80 points is $10 if 30 is worth $4?

- Der Kaiser



If you go by that Math...
You'll have a team full of McGinn's & ZERO star players bc none of them will be "worth" the $$$ as far as the equation u laid out goes

That sets us up to be pretty mediocre
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:29 PM ET
if you could have one goal scorer for the next 3 years only with the sabres


benn
ovi
stamkos?




I would take ovi for 3 years, stamkos for 7

- homiedclown



Benn no contest. Take the 200 ft player every time.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:30 PM ET
Explain? Being serious. Curious on this thought.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

they moved zadorov, myers, gringo, lemieux, compher, armia, a first rd pick and pick 31 in the draft to get these 3 guys, plus the traditional 2nd rd pick they would have received for staff


I don't think the cupboard is full enough to give another 4 pieces like that plus for hall

oilers would want mccabe, guhle, a first (maybe 2017), bailey and fasching

no way I give up that many assets, hell they would want reinhart plus 2 of those probably

CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:32 PM ET
they moved zadorov, myers, gringo, lemieux, compher, armia, a first rd pick and pick 31 in the draft to get these 3 guys, plus the traditional 2nd rd pick they would have received for staff


I don't think the cupboard is full enough to give another 4 pieces like that plus for hall

oilers would want mccabe, guhle, a first (maybe 2017), bailey and fasching

no way I give up that many assets, hell they would want reinhart plus 2 of those probably

- homiedclown



Got it. I agree that i think Risto,Skunk, 1st, McCabe, would be some of the names that would start the conversation. And i would not be interested. IF they would go for 3,28, our first, and a top prospect that i would do.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:36 PM ET
Got it. I agree that i think Risto,Skunk, 1st, McCabe, would be some of the names that would start the conversation. And i would not be interested. IF they would go for 3,28, our first, and a top prospect that i would do.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

the smart move is to pay a little extra and get stamkos and keep the assets so they can make trades to get 1 or 2 d men IMO
LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Mar 25 @ 1:37 PM ET
Out of work at 12:00, fish fry for dinner, Guinness

Today is a good friday
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Mar 25 @ 1:38 PM ET
Out of work at 12:00, fish fry for dinner, Guinness

Today is a good friday

- LandlordTom





I see what you did there..
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