Sounds like what you're saying is that that Fasching MIGHT not want to sign here at all unless he gets to play a few games this season

If that's the case...
Then cya later
I'd trade his ass

It's bad management to let prospects dictate what's best for the organization

I doubt Murray would do that
See Brendan Lemieux
- jdfitz77

The alternative here is Murray likes him and thinks he's an important part of the team moving forward

see assets given up to acquire him.

Sounds like what you're saying is that that Fasching MIGHT not want to sign here at all unless he gets to play a few games this season

If that's the case...
Then cya later
I'd trade his ass

It's bad management to let prospects dictate what's best for the organization

I doubt Murray would do that
See Brendan Lemieux
- jdfitz77

You look at it from a short term perspective (handful of games this season) and I see it from a long term scenario whereas Fasching could be a top 6 player and part of our core.

Besides, are you really saying the player and his agent can't negotiate fairly and what they think is best for the kid? My god.

Teams signing their draft picks in the last year of eligibility after their season is done happens every year. Signing Fasching now is not unusual.

Later..

You look at it from a short term perspective (handful of games this season) and I see it from a long term scenario whereas Fasching could be a top 6 player and part of our core.

Besides, are you really saying the player and his agent can't negotiate fairly and what they think is best for the kid? My god.
- mhp

The only reason to argue it's best to sign him later because of expansion protection is if you don't think he's good enough to be worth protecting...in which case i still ask why would it matter?

"The aggregate of all Signing Bonuses attributable to any League Year to be paid
to a Group 1 Player may not exceed 10% of the Player's compensation for such League Year. "
- Sabresfan-365

Whatever signing bonus he'd get would count towards next year's salary, which could be higher to make up for missing out on a couple games this year
Instead of giving him a 900k salary next year, give him 950k
Something like that
That way it works for both parties
Helps us as far as eligibility is concerned, gets him more $$$

Whatever signing bonus he'd get would count towards next year's salary, which could be higher to make up for missing out on a couple games this year
Instead of giving him a 900k salary next year, give him 950k
Something like that
That way it works for both parties
Helps us as far as eligibility is concerned, gets him more $$$
- jdfitz77

It can't be higher that's my point and isn't there a set max for rookies on salary even the ones coming out of college?

You look at it from a short term perspective (handful of games this season) and I see it from a long term scenario whereas Fasching could be a top 6 player and part of our core.

Besides, are you really saying the player and his agent can't negotiate fairly and what they think is best for the kid? My god.
- mhp

Actually I'm the one looking at it long term
Signing him at a point where we won't have to protect him means we will have a slot to protect another key piece to the puzzle

How is that "unfair" to their negotiations?
I'm saying give them extra $$$ for waiting a couple weeks
Sounds fair to me

It can't be higher that's my point and isn't there a set max for rookies on salary even the ones coming out of college?
- Sabresfan-365

I'm not sure exactly what the rules are...
But look at what the ELC deals look like for guys like Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, etc
They're all different as far as salary & bonuses go
I'd assume there some way to make it work out for Fasching too

The alternative here is Murray likes him and thinks he's an important part of the team moving forward

see assets given up to acquire him.
- Sabresfan-365

He also drafted Lemieux though
Would that make one assume Murray thought he'd be part of the "Future" here as well?

I'm not sure exactly what the rules are...
But look at what the ELC deals look like for guys like Eichel, Reinhart, Girgensons, etc
They're all different as far as salary & bonuses go
I'd assume there some way to make it work out for Fasching too
- jdfitz77

They're different because their entry level deals are different but there's still cap on how much they can make. Burning a year asap benefits fasching more than any bonus we can give him next year. It's really not that big of a deal regarding expansion anyways, it's highly doubtful Murray lets it get to a point where a good young roster player is being taken for free, more likely he trades a bunch of them

He also drafted Lemieux though
Would that make one assume Murray thought he'd be part of the "Future" here as well?
- jdfitz77

Drafting a guy in the 2nd round and trading two 2nd rounders + McNabb aren't really comparable though are they?

Sounds like what you're saying is that that Fasching MIGHT not want to sign here at all unless he gets to play a few games this season

If that's the case...
Then cya later
I'd trade his ass

It's bad management to let prospects dictate what's best for the organization

I doubt Murray would do that
See Brendan Lemieux
- jdfitz77

Problem is that this guy can literally walk soon hereafter. He could look at us, say cya and we get zilch. What team is going to trade for him unless they know he will sign there...and therefore...if they know he will sign there why not wait and do it for free? I think you are right about a lot of this, but you have to realize there is a real risk of losing him if he goes into the summer unsigned.

The only reason to argue it's best to sign him later because of expansion protection is if you don't think he's good enough to be worth protecting...in which case i still ask why would it matter?
- Sabresfan-365

Well let's just say we want to keep Fasching AND another player
Obviously it would be nice to not have to protect Fasching in that case

Drafting a guy in the 2nd round and trading two 2nd rounders + McNabb aren't really comparable though are they?
- Sabresfan-365

Tough for me to say how much he valued Lemieux
He took him over some other very good prospects though
I think it's comparable in the way that Murray obviously liked both players

They're different because their entry level deals are different but there's still cap on how much they can make. Burning a year asap benefits fasching more than any bonus we can give him next year. It's really not that big of a deal regarding expansion anyways, it's highly doubtful Murray lets it get to a point where a good young roster player is being taken for free, more likely he trades a bunch of them
- Sabresfan-365

How does burning a year benefit Fasching?

Problem is that this guy can literally walk soon hereafter. He could look at us, say cya and we get zilch. What team is going to trade for him unless they know he will sign there...and therefore...if they know he will sign there why not wait and do it for free? I think you are right about a lot of this, but you have to realize there is a real risk of losing him if he goes into the summer unsigned.
- RhinoFan

I just feel like there's gotta be a way where u sit down with him & his agent and figure out a way to get him signed so that we don't have to protect him in the expansion draft

How does burning a year benefit Fasching?
- jdfitz77

one year closer to RFA eligibility where he can get a 1 way deal and major raise (assuming he's good obviously)

murray must be delighted that fasching and bailey look this good.
- rover16

Not sure what we have in either IMHO. Bailey has lit it up in the AHL very recently but didn't get a point when he was up in BUF, though he played fast. Faeshing was a point a game player this year as a junior which is nice but not outstanding. Not fair to compare but Eichel was a 1.7 point per game player as a freshman last year.

It would be an even bigger mistake if he chose not to sign him and he leaves as an FA
- Sabresfan-365

We have a winner!!!

Not sure what we have in either IMHO. Bailey has lit it up in the AHL very recently but didn't get a point when he was up in BUF, though he played fast. Faeshing was a point a game player this year as a junior which is nice but not outstanding. Not fair to compare but Eichel was a 1.7 point per game player as a freshman last year.
- turbo044

Both are legitimate top 9 NHL prospects. Neither has NHL All Star stamped on their helmet yet by any means...but both have the size and talent to make it.

one year closer to RFA eligibility where he can get a 1 way deal and major raise (assuming he's good obviously)
- Sabresfan-365

I don't even think he's gonna make the Sabres roster next year
But even if he does...
He's a lot more likely to score under 15goals than over
In that case, he gays a 2-3 year deal & has to wait an extra year or 2 to get a significant pay bump

I hear ya though
Kinda risky on the players' part, but I couldn't blame him for him thinking he'll be good. Obviously I want the kid to have that kind of confidence

Not sure what we have in either IMHO. Bailey has lit it up in the AHL very recently but didn't get a point when he was up in BUF, though he played fast. Faeshing was a point a game player this year as a junior which is nice but not outstanding. Not fair to compare but Eichel was a 1.7 point per game player as a freshman last year.
- turbo044

I think a better comparison would be to say that Fasching finished tied for 39th in NCAA scoring this year

Ppg in the NCAA isn't really all that great
Not that he isn't a good prospect though

I just think it would be to our advantage to not have to protect Fasching
Bc then we could protect someone else...
Bailey for example, or Ennis, Girgensons, or whoever Murray decides
Just gives him that option to protect a guy he wants instead of losing him or trading him

How does burning a year benefit Fasching?
- jdfitz77

If he does not sign . Goes back for his senior year we will lose him . Don't even know yet when expansion is for sure . Everybody will be in the same boat. Can't let that scare you into losing a player now.

If he does not sign . Goes back for his senior year we will lose him . Don't even know yet when expansion is for sure . Everybody will be in the same boat. Can't let that scare you into losing a player now.
- Maximum Signal

I'm not saying don't sign him...
Just wait a couple weeks so we don't have to potentially protect him

I wouldn't think that waiting a couple weeks would cause him to not wanna sign here, but if that's the case (like Lemieux), then I guess I'd trade him

I'm not saying don't sign him...
Just wait a couple weeks so we don't have to potentially protect him

I wouldn't think that waiting a couple weeks would cause him to not wanna sign here, but if that's the case (like Lemieux), then I guess I'd trade him
- jdfitz77

TMGM must love this kid . Look what he gave up fir him and Des Lauriers. I think he gets it done as fast as he can.