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Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:07 PM ET
Homer catches a lot of flak for leaving Hextall with a mess. His free agency record is rightfully criticized. However, his stamp on the current line up shouldn't be ignored. Hextall deserves a lot of credit for steering the Flyers on the right course but Homer deserves some for starting the process.

10-28-17-Homer acquired
12-14-93-Homer acquired
21-52-24-Homer acquired
76-78-25-89-19-Hextall acquired

53-47-Homer acquired
32-55- Homer/Hextall
23-3-Homer/Hextall

Mason-Homer acquired
Neuvirth-Hextall acquired

- Baxter27

a well crafted breakdown
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:08 PM ET
Can't this be applied to any team with a new GM? The old GM would of course have his "stamp" on the team....
- Streit2ThePoint

sometimes its just nice to see it all laid out like this

why must you poop on this man's work sir?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 17 @ 1:09 PM ET
Homer catches a lot of flak for leaving Hextall with a mess. His free agency record is rightfully criticized. However, his stamp on the current line up shouldn't be ignored. Hextall deserves a lot of credit for steering the Flyers on the right course but Homer deserves some for starting the process.

10-28-17-Homer acquired
12-14-93-Homer acquired
21-52-24-Homer acquired
76-78-25-89-19-Hextall acquired

53-47-Homer acquired
32-55- Homer/Hextall
23-3-Homer/Hextall

Mason-Homer acquired
Neuvirth-Hextall acquired

- Baxter27


I think a lot of the flack comes when you attach price tags to some of the acquisitions (and to the players you don't have listed)
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:09 PM ET
Sure whatever you say. You can ignore numbers since they are winning games. If they lose a few in a row guess who is going to look bad.

He is playing fine, but really all he is doing is playing like we have seen him play and now expect him to play. He isnt doing much differently, the team is just winning

- YuenglingJagr


So you give Macdonald no credit for the recent stretch of wins?

I've never been one to focus on fancy stats. I don't deny they can't provide value. There is just a heck of a lot more to hockey than shots on net.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 17 @ 1:09 PM ET
sometimes its just nice to see it all laid out like this

why must you poop on this man's work sir?

- Crimsoninja


I just don't understand the logic.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Mar 17 @ 1:16 PM ET
Can't this be applied to any team with a new GM? The old GM would of course have his "stamp" on the team....
- Streit2ThePoint

You mean like the 06-07 flyers v. the 07-08 flyers?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 17 @ 1:17 PM ET
haha tom hardy is a drug fiend but he's awesome

- orangekrush2010


Great song selections. I'd gladly do drugs with him, as long as it gets me closer to partying with his boy Leo
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:17 PM ET
Can't this be applied to any team with a new GM? The old GM would of course have his "stamp" on the team....
- Streit2ThePoint


If you want a comparable example, take a look at Jarmo Kekäläinen. How many building blocks was he left with in Columbus?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:21 PM ET
So you give Macdonald no credit for the recent stretch of wins?

I've never been one to focus on fancy stats. I don't deny they can't provide value. There is just a heck of a lot more to hockey than shots on net.

- Baxter27


and the numbers mean more than just a shot on a net. Where I think macdonald has helped is in his ability to move the puck up the ice and to the forwards (always been a strength) and he has looked good on the second PP.

he has strengths and weaknesses and from what I saw...last night was not his best game. he scored so everyone thinks he is amazing. It is not the case.

As I have said from the beginning...the teams success comes from balanced scoring, consistent forechecking, and owning the neutral zone. it is a complete team effort right now which is why they are able to win games without Giroux and Voracek. Earlier in the year that was impossible (i.e. coots)
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
lol what?
- orangekrush2010


just google tom hardy myspace
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 17 @ 1:24 PM ET
Sure whatever you say. You can ignore numbers since they are winning games. If they lose a few in a row guess who is going to look bad.

He is playing fine, but really all he is doing is playing like we have seen him play and now expect him to play. He isnt doing much differently, the team is just winning

- YuenglingJagr


He's playing OK by Andrew MacDonald standards, and that's all they really need from him at the moment. It's a noticeable drop off from where MDZ was before he got hurt, but we all know AMac is not capable of hitting/maintaining that kind of level anyway.

TL;DR, AMac isn't dragging them down... yet.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:24 PM ET
sometimes its just nice to see it all laid out like this

why must you poop on this man's work sir?

- Crimsoninja


it is a team effort just as much as the flyers current play is. Homer gave Hextall a lot to work with...he also gave him a ton of crap to deal with. It was the right time for Hextall to take over and we are seeing the benefit of that now.

Hextalls stamp on the team is evident...but from the personnel standpoint...most of his team has yet to arrive
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:26 PM ET
I think a lot of the flack comes when you attach price tags to some of the acquisitions (and to the players you don't have listed)
- Scoob


Not denying Hextall hasn't had to make some shrewd moves to help the situation. I also think it's overblown that Homer left him with a mess. The only current roster player with a contract that could be seen as albatross is Macdonald. If he can consistently find his niche like he has lately, that contract isn't all that outrageous.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:28 PM ET
If you want a comparable example, take a look at Jarmo Kekäläinen. How many building blocks was he left with in Columbus?
- Baxter27


I am not sure where you are going on this one?
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Mar 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
You mean like the 06-07 flyers v. the 07-08 flyers?
- aightwebang17


do it
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
Not denying Hextall hasn't had to make some shrewd moves to help the situation. I also think it's overblown that Homer left him with a mess. The only current roster player with a contract that could be seen as albatross is Macdonald. If he can consistently find his niche like he has lately, that contract isn't all that outrageous.
- Baxter27


What I believe Scoob is saying, at least the gist of it that I agree with in regards to price, is what couldve been had he made smarter decisions. It is nice to see now that the Flyers are playing good hockey, but it is hard to say what it would be like without macdonalds/vinnys contract and the JVR trade
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:31 PM ET
I am not sure where you are going on this one?
- YuenglingJagr


What did Howson leave his successor that compares to what Homer left Hextall? Thought I was being pretty clear.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:31 PM ET
Homer catches a lot of flak for leaving Hextall with a mess. His free agency record is rightfully criticized. However, his stamp on the current line up shouldn't be ignored. Hextall deserves a lot of credit for steering the Flyers on the right course but Homer deserves some for starting the process.

10-28-17-Homer acquired
12-14-93-Homer acquired
21-52-24-Homer acquired
76-78-25-89-19-Hextall acquired

53-47-Homer acquired
32-55- Homer/Hextall
23-3-Homer/Hextall

Mason-Homer acquired
Neuvirth-Hextall acquired

- Baxter27


I agree.. What might be most important though is that Hexy brought in Hakstol, and has shed salary and maximized return on vets for prospects/picks. As much as I am enjoying this run, it's really about the next few years. The team as currently constructed is not a cup contender.. at least I don't think so.. haha hello 2010!
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 17 @ 1:33 PM ET
What did Howson leave his successor that compares to what Homer left Hextall? Thought I was being pretty clear.
- Baxter27


What I meant was your stance on the matter. Whether you thought Howson left him more or less
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:38 PM ET
What I believe Scoob is saying, at least the gist of it that I agree with in regards to price, is what couldve been had he made smarter decisions. It is nice to see now that the Flyers are playing good hockey, but it is hard to say what it would be like without macdonalds/vinnys contract and the JVR trade
- YuenglingJagr


It's also hard to say what this team would look like without 4/6 of the team's top 6 forwards acquired in gutsy moves to get younger but still compete. People can criticize all of Homer's bad decisions but his smart ones still created a strong core to pass to Hextall.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Mar 17 @ 1:39 PM ET
Vandevelde to have hearing.

2 games?
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:39 PM ET
What I meant was your stance on the matter. Whether you thought Howson left him more or less
- YuenglingJagr


Howson left a heck of a lot less in my opinion.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 17 @ 1:40 PM ET
Homer catches a lot of flak for leaving Hextall with a mess. His free agency record is rightfully criticized. However, his stamp on the current line up shouldn't be ignored. Hextall deserves a lot of credit for steering the Flyers on the right course but Homer deserves some for starting the process.

10-28-17-Homer acquired
12-14-93-Homer acquired
21-52-24-Homer acquired
76-78-25-89-19-Hextall acquired

53-47-Homer acquired
32-55- Homer/Hextall
23-3-Homer/Hextall

Mason-Homer acquired
Neuvirth-Hextall acquired

- Baxter27


Missing one of the most important pieces to the current team that was a hex get....hakstol
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Mar 17 @ 1:41 PM ET
Could you imagine a team still coached by berube
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Mar 17 @ 1:42 PM ET
Missing one of the most important pieces to the current team that was a hex get....hakstol
- Just5


Agreed, can't remember the last time the Flyers were playing such an efficient brand of hockey. Great hire by Hexy that came straight out of left field.
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