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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:29 AM ET
They're keeping number 9 reserved for Provy. Bank on it!
- Hextall271


I think that all 3 of Provorov, Konecny, and Morin will have roster spots up for grabs come training camp. Not spots to lose (i.e. Giroux is 08/09) but spots to win.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 2 @ 9:31 AM ET
I think that all 3 of Provorov, Konecny, and Morin will have roster spots up for grabs come training camp. Not spots to lose (i.e. Giroux is 08/09) but spots to win.
- jmatchett383


and win them they shall
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 2 @ 9:32 AM ET
It's your prognosis. Prognosis negative
- PhillySportsGuy


I'll take that pitch and send it over the fence!

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:34 AM ET
I'll take that pitch and send it over the fence!

-Seinfeld Clip Snipped-

- Scoob


.........
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 2 @ 9:34 AM ET
A specialist is a guy who excels at one thing. For example, when you go see an "eye specialist", you don't ask him to take a look at your knees as well. If you want a guy who excels at certain things and is adequate/good at other areas, that's another story.
- jmatchett383

I'm also not asking a football player to play hockey...
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 2 @ 9:37 AM ET
I'm also not asking a football player to play hockey...
- SuperSchennBros


[big, if true spot reserved for BulliesPhan]
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 2 @ 9:38 AM ET
Raffl brings some size and they both bring speed and forechecking prowess. Raffl drives possession and is responsible, can play anywhere in the lineup. I have said that Bellemare needs to be replaced though.

Medvedev is loaded with skills...doesnt seem to have translated to play an effective game on a daily basis, but i dont consider him a problem. was it worth the risk of signing him to a 1 year 3 million dollar deal? absolutely

and yes, we are developing players to fill these holes after years of trading picks

- YuenglingJagr


Raffl can help a team, he's definitely at an age where he's still capable, which is why he was resigned.

Medvedev on the other hand has had his good and bad games, which might be why he's had trouble locking down a spot that sees himself play nightly.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:39 AM ET
I'm also not asking a football player to play hockey...
- SuperSchennBros


I know you're note. But again, using a medical reference, any specialist went to medical school and has a basic understanding of all aspects of medicinal practice. They then, if they choose, pick a certain aspect in which to specialize.

Similarly, any player who gets to the NHL level is a fantastic hockey player who would dominate at the ECHL level at all aspects. However, some players lack the skills to be good at many of them (i.e. skating, shooting, passing, puck handling, etc.) at the NHL level and become "specialists" who excel at things like faceoffs, fighting, shootouts, etc. Generally, these players play low minutes because, aside from their "specialty" they are not good at many aspects of the game at the NHL level.

I'd rather have a player who struggles at faceoffs but is good at skating, shooting, and passing as opposed to a guy who is good at faceoffs but struggles with skating, shooting, and passing.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 2 @ 9:40 AM ET
I know you're note. But again, using a medical reference, any specialist went to medical school and has a basic understanding of all aspects of medicinal practice. They then, if they choose, pick a certain aspect in which to specialize.

Similarly, any player who gets to the NHL level is a fantastic hockey player who would dominate at the ECHL level at all aspects. However, some players lack the skills to be good at many of them (i.e. skating, shooting, passing, puck handling, etc.) at the NHL level and become "specialists" who excel at things like faceoffs, fighting, shootouts, etc. Generally, these players play low minutes because, aside from their "specialty" they are not good at many aspects of the game at the NHL level.

I'd rather have a player who struggles at faceoffs but is good at skating, shooting, and passing as opposed to a guy who is good at faceoffs but struggles with skating, shooting, and passing.

- jmatchett383


You know you're not going to get him to understand this specialist issue, right?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 2 @ 9:41 AM ET
So Provorov and Konecney to start and Morin up sometime mid season
- KINGKENZO

He also mentioned that he thought NAK had a real shot at cracking the roster next season.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 2 @ 9:42 AM ET
You know you're not going to get him to understand this specialist issue, right?
- Scoob


saved by the blob
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 2 @ 9:43 AM ET
In 09/10, when the Rangers had 2 shootout specialists (3 if you could Parenteau) and one of the best (if not the best) goalie in the league, they had the exact same shootout record as the Flyers.

I don't think anyone's going to disagree that the Flyers need to improve at the shootout. Bringing in a hired gun who is below average at 5v5 but excels at the shootout wouldn't be the way I'd go about it.

For the record, I am disagreeing with the notion, I am not attacking you.

Edit: The Flyers need to improve in a lot of areas. Faceoffs and shootouts are two of them.

- jmatchett383


I think there is mixed communication of what is considered a specialist, if we are going to dissect the term. I believe Bobby Clarke was once asked to attend a practice years back as a faceoff specialist to coach the young players improve at the dot.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:43 AM ET
You know you're not going to get him to understand this specialist issue, right?
- Scoob


I think it's more the term that's causing the issue. Adam Hall was a specialist. Blair Betts was not.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:45 AM ET
I think there is mixed communication of what is considered a specialist, if we are going to dissect the term. I believe Bobby Clarke was once asked to attend a practice years back as a faceoff specialist to coach the young players improve at the dot.
- SuperSchennBros


Yes. He was brought in to teach one specific aspect. As a coach, at that point, he was used as a faceoff specialist. Had they asked him to coach faceoffs, puck handling, and body checking, he would not be a "specialist" coach. Not that he couldn't do those things well, but he was brought in to teach one very specific thing.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 2 @ 9:46 AM ET
I think it's more the term that's causing the issue. Adam Hall was a specialist. Blair Betts was not.
- jmatchett383

So Ryan White is a specialist and Bellemare is not?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 2 @ 9:49 AM ET
Recap of Hextall's remarks at the STH meeting last night.

http://www.hockeyforums.n...p-2016-hexy-presentation/

- Feanor


Thanks for linking this....I couldn't make the event was hoping someone recapped it.

Hexy also said: "Hexy said right now we are lacking in size and are looking for a big skilled LW and center and also big skilled defenseman who shoots right. "

He's actually kinda right. The Flyers aren't all that big of a team at all. I go back a bit further, but if you grew up on Flyers hockey in the '90's, when did you ever think you'd say that the Flyers don't have a big club?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 2 @ 9:51 AM ET
He'd come to the Flyers and immediately be terrible at it
- PhillySportsGuy


no doubt
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 2 @ 9:52 AM ET
So Ryan White is a specialist and Bellemare is not?
- SuperSchennBros


No, I just don't think Ryan White is very good at hockey. He's good at faceoffs, is willing to fight anyone, likes to bring that Philly-beloved "energy" and is good in one-on-one physical board battles. Past that, he's slow, is not very adept when he has the puck, is not very good on the PK, and takes too many lazy/selfish penalties for my liking. Bellemare is good, or at least better than White, at those things while also being a willing combatent when needed, yet he struggles at the dot.

If I referred to White as a "specialist" I did so incorrectly.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 2 @ 9:58 AM ET
No, I just don't think Ryan White is very good at hockey. He's good at faceoffs, is willing to fight anyone, likes to bring that Philly-beloved "energy" and is good in one-on-one physical board battles. Past that, he's slow, is not very adept when he has the puck, is not very good on the PK, and takes too many lazy/selfish penalties for my liking. Bellemare is good, or at least better than White, at those things while also being a willing combatent when needed, yet he struggles at the dot.

If I referred to White as a "specialist" I did so incorrectly.

- jmatchett383

Every player on every team offers something different to be successful. To expect all players to be successful in my opinion isn't realistic.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Mar 2 @ 11:35 AM ET
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lol
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