Okay. Assuming you were coach and GM, and therefore able to make roster and lineup decisions, would you trade Schultz if you could resign Medvedev at his current contract?
- jmatchett383

If I could get a 3rd for Schultz, sure.

And the development of the Swiss National League, bringing in better coaches, and sport's popularity growing in the country. Also, the fact that players in other European countries (i.e. Raffl, Sbisa types) that don't have strong programs choosing to represent Switzerland internationally has bolstered their roster.

But yes, Mark Streit was probably a leader when he entered the NHL in his late 20s.
- jmatchett383

Alright, where is the jmatchett I know and love. It is a Friday so I was joking around for most of my posts so far. I used to count on your for that.

Anyway, since it got brought up I decided to google

From Inside the Flyers: Streit stepping into leadership role
"I love taking responsibility," Streit said, "and I feel way more comfortable than last year; it's just a natural transition. I was never a guy who steps in rah-rah right away with a new team. I try to settle in quietly and over time, take more responsibility on and off the ice."

From Islanders' Streit grows into captain's leadership role
As captain, he said, "you're a little bit in between the coaching staff and the team. That was a learning experience for me, too. But you all work toward a goal and it's a long journey. It doesn't go from today till tomorrow, it doesn't take a month; it takes years. It's a process™."

™ emphasis is my own

The same Swiss national team that's beaten NHL-player based Team Canada, Russia and USA teams in assorted major international games since 2006? The one that pretty routinely makes it to at least the medal round quarter finals? The same one that went all the way to the gold medal game undefeated in the entire tourney (til a final game loss) at the World Championships in 2013?

They're never the favorites but they can knock off anyone on given day because they skate well, play a very disciplined system and usually have good goaltending. If they can scratch out a goal or two and play from in front, they are no fun to play against.
- bmeltzer

never dismiss the Swiss

The same Swiss national team that's beaten NHL-player based Team Canada, Russia and USA teams in assorted major international games since 2006? The one that pretty routinely makes it to at least the medal round quarter finals? The same one that went all the way to the gold medal game undefeated in the entire tourney (til a final game loss) at the World Championships in 2013?

They're never the favorites but they can knock off anyone on given day because they skate well, play a very disciplined system and usually have good goaltending. If they can scratch out a goal or two and play from in front, they are no fun to play against.
- bmeltzer

Alright I am sorry I said that! It was only a joke.

I am a huge fan of international hockey and I remember Gerbers SO and more recently some great performances by Hiller.

I will admit that the Swiss National Team will most likely beat any pee wee team they may happen to play

The same Swiss national team that's beaten NHL-player based Team Canada, Russia and USA teams in assorted major international games since 2006? The one that pretty routinely makes it to at least the medal round quarter finals? The same one that went all the way to the gold medal game undefeated in the entire tourney (til a final game loss) at the World Championships in 2013?

They're never the favorites but they can knock off anyone on given day because they skate well, play a very disciplined system and usually have good goaltending. If they can scratch out a goal or two and play from in front, they are no fun to play against.
- bmeltzer

ouch.....

As awesome as it is to have so many highly-touted d prospects in our system, it does somewhat worry me that we're going to have to break them in within the same period of time (for the most part). The transition will take a couple of years but this D is going to be VERY young pretty soon. I just hope it works out.

I feel like, ideally, you'd like to have an established D core and break in a new guy every now and then with a smooth transition. This feels like it's going to be fairly quick and drastic

Last season they didnt have 2 or 3 other guys knocking on the Flyers' door
- YuenglingJagr

It's rumored that 3 other teams want him?

Is Morin close to getting a look, then? As I said, I have been so busy lately, I honestly don't know if either he or Alt is close enough for post-TDL action
- AllInForFlyers

Alt is no longer waiver exempt next year, he needs a look. Morin may or may not be ready, but I don't think letting him play some games in the NHL will hurt. If he struggles, send him down, put Manning back in the lineup and bring up Drewiskie to be the 7th man.

We need some kind of vet stabilizing voice on the backend, some type of leadership. If we got rid of Streit, I'd sure hope they look for some vet on the free agent market in the summer to help with the kids. Don't like putting them all right in the fire and making them take huge roles to begin with. Risky business.
- orangekrush2010

agreed

It's rumored that 3 other teams want him?
- SuperSchennBros

That was a reference to the Phantoms players who are ready for a shot in the NHL

The same Swiss national team that's beaten NHL-player based Team Canada, Russia and USA teams in assorted major international games since 2006? The one that pretty routinely makes it to at least the medal round quarter finals? The same one that went all the way to the gold medal game undefeated in the entire tourney (til a final game loss) at the World Championships in 2013?

They're never the favorites but they can knock off anyone on given day because they skate well, play a very disciplined system and usually have good goaltending. If they can scratch out a goal or two and play from in front, they are no fun to play against.
- bmeltzer

I was waiting for this response from Bill

If I could get a 3rd for Schultz, sure.
- Feanor

Mike Weber and Rinaldo fetched 3rds. I wouldn't move Schultz for less.

agreed
- BiggE

If they moved Streit, they would only open up one slot in the top 6 for a kid to take a role, and it wouldn't be huge. In my mind it would be Provorov playing 17-18 minutes a night the way Hanifin has already done for Carolina this season.

Ages in parentheses:

MDZ(26)-Ghost(23)
Schultz(34)-MacDonald(30)
Provorov(19)-Gudas(26)

Thanks Bill. Next stop, the playoffs...sorry, but I had to say it...cough, cough. Anyway, with the current group, we still have trouble with closing out a game, or playing a complete 60 minutes. The worst times that we have are usually around the last five minutes of a period. I don't know if the players are just looking forward to getting off the ice, or what they are thinking. We also seem to be either trying to play catch up, or just hold on to a lead. I am sure that Hack is pulling his hair out, with their inconsistent play. I am hopeful, that once some more of the kids start moving up, that this mentality will change. However, with the "core" guys, this seems to be their MO. I would start by fixing the easy stuff like the gaps, the line changes, and the passing. I still don't know why we play so passive in the D zone, especially with the PK. Our PK is really not good, so I would start trying to be a little more aggressive with the guys up front. On ward, and up ward. I hope that G is ok, and will recover soon. I am kind of surprised that the PK hit wasn't looked at more closely. Even though he may not have meant to do it, something should have been done about it. Ahh...the NHL consistency, gotta love it.

If they moved Streit, they would only open up one slot in the top 6 for a kid to take a role, and it wouldn't be huge. In my mind it would be Provorov playing 17-18 minutes a night the way Hanifin has already done for Carolina this season.

Ages in parentheses:

MDZ(26)-Ghost(23)
Schultz(34)-MacDonald(30)
Provorov(19)-Gudas(26)
- Feanor

It's not the amount of spots it would open up that worries me. I fully expect/hope Provorov is up with us next year. Streit helps bridge the gap between the coaching staff and the players in a way that I'm not sure Schultz or MacDonald or even MDZ can do. He can take one of Schultz or MacD's spot, no problem.

Look, I'm not saying Streit is an untouchable player by any means. I just think that he's not as easily replaced as some on here might suggest.

Thanks Bill. Next stop, the playoffs...sorry, but I had to say it...cough, cough. Anyway, with the current group, we still have trouble with closing out a game, or playing a complete 60 minutes. The worst times that we have are usually around the last five minutes of a period. I don't know if the players are just looking forward to getting off the ice, or what they are thinking. We also seem to be either trying to play catch up, or just hold on to a lead. I am sure that Hack is pulling his hair out, with their inconsistent play. I am hopeful, that once some more of the kids start moving up, that this mentality will change. However, with the "core" guys, this seems to be their MO. I would start by fixing the easy stuff like the gaps, the line changes, and the passing. I still don't know why we play so passive in the D zone, especially with the PK. Our PK is really not good, so I would start trying to be a little more aggressive with the guys up front. On ward, and up ward. I hope that G is ok, and will recover soon. I am kind of surprised that the PK hit wasn't looked at more closely. Even though he may not have meant to do it, something should have been done about it. Ahh...the NHL consistency, gotta love it.
- OrangeAndBlack1

Hak never has a hair out of place

Agreed, especially in the second half. He'll likely never live up to his pre-draft hype, but definitely a nice top-6 option.
- jmatchett383

Excuse me if I'm sounding arrogant but how could anyone possibly know back when Patrick Sharp was here that Sharp would become what he was to the Hawks and not know that Brayden Schenn would become really good before age 24?

The only player I've seen counted out more by fans was an aging Simon Gagne prior to his trade to Tampa. If Simon Gagne was healthy, that guy could contribute.

It's not the amount of spots it would open up that worries me. I fully expect/hope Provorov is up with us next year. Streit helps bridge the gap between the coaching staff and the players in a way that I'm not sure Schultz or MacDonald or even MDZ can do. He can take one of Schultz or MacD's spot, no problem.

Look, I'm not saying Streit is an untouchable player by any means. I just think that he's not as easily replaced as some on here might suggest.
- orangekrush2010

I think the Flyers have plenty of players that can do that. Plus as youth comes into the lineup I think this coach was a reason he was hired. This isn't a veteran like Hitchcock or Torterella that you might need a buffer vet for. I think since Hackstoll was a college coach he seems to have a good grasp communicating with the younger players.

The same Swiss national team that's beaten NHL-player based Team Canada, Russia and USA teams in assorted major international games since 2006? The one that pretty routinely makes it to at least the medal round quarter finals? The same one that went all the way to the gold medal game undefeated in the entire tourney (til a final game loss) at the World Championships in 2013?

They're never the favorites but they can knock off anyone on given day because they skate well, play a very disciplined system and usually have good goaltending. If they can scratch out a goal or two and play from in front, they are no fun to play against.
- bmeltzer

always thought kevin Romy would have tried his hand here.

It's not the amount of spots it would open up that worries me. I fully expect/hope Provorov is up with us next year. Streit helps bridge the gap between the coaching staff and the players in a way that I'm not sure Schultz or MacDonald or even MDZ can do. He can take one of Schultz or MacD's spot, no problem.

Look, I'm not saying Streit is an untouchable player by any means. I just think that he's not as easily replaced as some on here might suggest.
- orangekrush2010

I am not trying to speak for anyone on here, but when I talk about trading Streit, it is in no way an assumption that he will be easily replaced or the on-ice product will be better...but here is what I base it off of

He has already been replaced on the 1st PP. He isnt the only veteran on the team. He is up there in age and is currently healthy. Similar to the Coburn and Kimmo trades, it just makes so much sense for this team to get the most value out of the older players on their roster. It is turning over fast and just look what the extra picks did for the Flyers future (Konecny). Streit will absolutely be missed. But he could go down for the season next december and then what?

I would bet Hextall knows this and if he gets a fair offer I think he will be moved. The contract makes it less likely I think.

That was a reference to the Phantoms players who are ready for a shot in the NHL
- YuenglingJagr

Sure, I can't debate this because I don't know. The issue for me is, do we have a young player as gritty/tough as White? White might be our second strongest faceoff man. Can any of the kids replace this?

I am not trying to speak for anyone on here, but when I talk about trading Streit, it is in no way an assumption that he will be easily replaced or the on-ice product will be better...but here is what I base it off of

He has already been replaced on the 1st PP. He isnt the only veteran on the team. He is up there in age and is currently healthy. Similar to the Coburn and Kimmo trades, it just makes so much sense for this team to get the most value out of the older players on their roster. It is turning over fast and just look what the extra picks did for the Flyers future (Konecny). Streit will absolutely be missed. But he could go down for the season next december and then what?

I would bet Hextall knows this and if he gets a fair offer I think he will be moved. The contract makes it less likely I think.
- YuenglingJagr

Completely agree.

He had a pretty tough injury this year. He has been replaced on the 1st PP and just say next year you have a full season of Gostisbehere add a young two guy like Provorov and del zotto. That's 3 guys that can play a good two way game and bring offense.

With Streit I would move sooner then later as the injury thing does concern me now.

I think the Flyers have plenty of players that can do that. Plus as youth comes into the lineup I think this coach was a reason he was hired. This isn't a veteran like Hitchcock or Torterella that you might need a buffer vet for. I think since Hackstoll was a college coach he seems to have a good grasp communicating with the younger players.
- J35Bacher

Just because a player is a vet doesn't mean he's capable of doing that job well. And I think, no matter the coach, a player like that is always needed.

I am not trying to speak for anyone on here, but when I talk about trading Streit, it is in no way an assumption that he will be easily replaced or the on-ice product will be better...but here is what I base it off of

He has already been replaced on the 1st PP. He isnt the only veteran on the team. He is up there in age and is currently healthy. Similar to the Coburn and Kimmo trades, it just makes so much sense for this team to get the most value out of the older players on their roster. It is turning over fast and just look what the extra picks did for the Flyers future (Konecny). Streit will absolutely be missed. But he could go down for the season next december and then what?

I would bet Hextall knows this and if he gets a fair offer I think he will be moved. The contract makes it less likely I think.
- YuenglingJagr

Sure, if we get a good offer then fine. I'm down with it. But, I would still plan on bringing in someone else as well for next year.

I'm not really worried about how young the D core will be. It's nice to have that vet presence but it's not like Streit is out on the ice with all five guys. The D coach is what matters most in that regard. I think Murphy has been doing an okay job. I would absolutely love if they could get Kimmo in some sort of coaching role. I think he would be really good to have around our two way guys coming up.

And like others have stated if you're dead set on vet D you can pretty easily sign one on the open market ie Schultz. If you have the chance to cash in on Streit now you take it IMO.