wow did you just admit to O'Reily deal blowing up in your face

so apparently shinkaruk has attitude problems...

probably the same ones hamilton had,made up ones

so apparently shinkaruk has attitude problems...

probably the same ones hamilton had,made up ones
- Bigern4MVP

Shink is not a 2-way player nor gritty at all.
Basically a depth move for the Flames IMO.
A swap of assets is about it.

Wow. I would not have pegged either guy as netting quite that much, though maybe a second and prospect for Russell is ballpark.

Not sure if it is hometown inflation or if that's how it will play out...

I don't see the blues giving up a first on Hudler, but could be completely off.

Would you take only a second for Hudler and only a second for Russell?

would a third with solid not great forward prospect and a D prospect be something you'd take for either one?
- TheCore

One can dream can't they

Shink is not a 2-way player nor gritty at all.
Basically a depth move for the Flames IMO.
A swap of assets is about it.
- Nighthawk

I agree it's just a swap of assets but if you polled Canucks fans two days ago shink was penciled in as a top 6 for sure ...leading the comets in scoring and an ahl all star ...now he is an undersized one dimensional kid with little upside and attitude problems

Too funny

Trade Hudler
Get a real goalie
Sign n keep Russell
Draft well eg one power L winger either Finn or Tkachuk works

All thats needed IMO
- Nighthawk

No more Tkachuks please...

I agree it's just a swap of assets but if you polled Canucks fans two days ago shink was penciled in as a top 6 for sure ...leading the comets in scoring and an ahl all star ...now he is an undersized one dimensional kid with little upside and attitude problems

Too funny
- Redmile247

Well thats why those fans have the internet n GM's have a job lol
Does the Flames fans think he will make an impact or be an NHLer?
At one time i thought he had promise n opportunity but fell down the depth chart
and a change of scenery n a new opportunity is best.

Shink is not a 2-way player nor gritty at all.
Basically a depth move for the Flames IMO.
A swap of assets is about it.
- Nighthawk

I'm sure you said the same thing about him when he was still a canuck

I'm sure you said the same thing about him when he was still a canuck
- Bigern4MVP

Yes I did n u will see it soon. As for a Canuck its more like a prospect til proven.
So far his AHL career shows promise but thats all up til now.

Yes I did n u will see it soon.
- Nighthawk

I'm surprised you don't have a job as a scout considering you're so good at predicting prospects futures

I'm surprised you don't have a job as a scout considering you're so good at predicting prospects futures
- Bigern4MVP

Better than inane comments. What do u have to say if anything?
Do u think he is top 6 material?

Shink will not give u anythng as a 3rd liner.
He's not aggresive nor wins puck battles.
At the best he might be similar to Raymond without the wheels.
He won't give u hitting nor puck battling n thats hardly what the Flames r about.
Your roster is better already IMO
Its a depth move n potential only.

Well thats why those fans have the internet n GM's have a job lol
Does the Flames fans think he will make an impact or be an NHLer?
At one time i thought he had promise n opportunity but fell down the depth chart
and a change of scenery n a new opportunity is best.
- Nighthawk

He is essentially Sven ...if he's in your top 6 your a bad team ...if he's not in your top 6 he's probably in the ahl ...I have little faith he is ever an impact player

He is essentially Sven ...if he's in your top 6 your a bad team ...if he's not in your top 6 he's probably in the ahl ...I have little faith he is ever an impact player
- Redmile247

Pretty much agree. Sven is learning 2-way hockey n has picked up his game.
Shink takes note of that n his role will be similar.

The trade is minor in nature. Both sides r fine with the swap but i highly doubt it will change either team in any great fashion. Here the fans overrate Shink but thats merely based on his 24th overall pick. In hindsight Theodore was a better pick at 26th n what we needed then n now.

The early knock on Sven here was he didn't compete hard enough or go to dirty areas. He has worked on that n actually played a solid 2-way game. He won't survive otherwise n just be another prospect if he falters.

Etem is in the same boat n either gets it or just another skilled winger on the heap.

So, now that we got the that (shink/Gran) out of our systems what are people's take on Wotherspoon and Nakladal?

I like Nakladal's game. Have seen him throw his weight around and make some decent passes out of the D zone. He seems to have a Nak for looking better than Russell in the 2nd pairing.

To early to get a read on WSpoon.

So, now that we got the that (shink/Gran) out of our systems what are people's take on Wotherspoon and Nakladal?

I like Nakladal's game. Have seen him throw his weight around and make some decent passes out of the D zone. He seems to have a Nak for looking better than Russell in the 2nd pairing.

To early to get a read on WSpoon.
- DuranDuran

Your D is in fine shape. Get a solid #1 goalie goes a long ways.
Next year the Flames will make more noise. This year is simply a good time
to stock pile more assets n draft for needs. More punch up front mostly.

Wow. I would not have pegged either guy as netting quite that much, though maybe a second and prospect for Russell is ballpark.

Not sure if it is hometown inflation or if that's how it will play out...

I don't see the blues giving up a first on Hudler, but could be completely off.

Would you take only a second for Hudler and only a second for Russell?

would a third with solid not great forward prospect and a D prospect be something you'd take for either one?
- TheCore

I dont see Hudler being a good fit for the blues, so i cant see getti g a 1st from them.

As i said earlier, i look at Glencross last year netti g a 2and 3rd . Bother Hudler and Russell should get at least that considering considering they're both more valuable and better all around. So no, id be disappointed with only a 2nd for each.

A 3rd and decent prospect? It would depend on the prospect.

I hope nobody sees Shinkaruk as a saviour. Granlund didnt fit so we moved hime for a player that potentially does fit. Hes a prospect with top 6th potential. His #'s are similar go what Granlund dsl were at tbat age and stage of development. Granlund hasn't yet translated his AHL scoring to the NHL and may never. Shinkaruk could go either way as well. What we bought was a prospect with the potential to fill a need and more importantly, and extra couple of entry level contract years.

To Calgary: 2016 1st (top 3 protected), Wiercioch
To Ottawa: Kris Russell, Jiri Hudler (get to work on contracts with them)

Kris Russell - 7 years @4.25M (front loaded)
Jiri Hudler - 3 years @5M (6/5/4)

thoughts?
- AlfieisKing

Yeah I'd do this in a heartbeat. I don't think Ottawa would though.

Yeah I'd do this in a heartbeat. I don't think Ottawa would though.
- flamminghead

Sorry I thought you said top 3 projected instead of protected. Still good value for a couple of rentals. They are rentals from the Flames perspective. It still doesn't make sense for Ottawa. They could offer those contracts to those players in the offseason without giving up assets. Ottawa won't be in the playoffs this year so they don't take advantage of the rental time period.

You might not be far off on the value, contracts could be close too. Wiercioch is a bit of a mystery, but could be worth a look on our bottom pairing (if we can move some other dead weight out). I don't really like the top 3 protection though since we are giving away our 2 most valuable rentals, it would suck to not see any return for 2 years for 2 important members of our team...
- Saskabush

Right; it would be something like - 2016 3rd, 2017 1st then.

Sorry I thought you said top 3 projected instead of protected. Still good value for a couple of rentals. They are rentals from the Flames perspective. It still doesn't make sense for Ottawa. They could offer those contracts to those players in the offseason without giving up assets. Ottawa won't be in the playoffs this year so they don't take advantage of the rental time period.
- flamminghead

Do you really think those are #s they'll get in free agency ? --- I'd think it'd be more, no?

Do you really think those are #s they'll get in free agency ? --- I'd think it'd be more, no?
- AlfieisKing

If the price tag for Russell gets over 5 mill then you do not want any part of it. Even 4 is to steep for me, but may be close to fair.