Nearly everyone on the board rags on Gorges, saying how horrible he is, abd that he is a 3rd pairing dwfender. Idk how his value would be much higher than Gudas, if at all.
I believe we gave up two 2nds for Gorges. - Mentalorgasm5
Gudas is a 3rd pair guy
Georges is a 2nd pair guy that looks worse then he is bc he's being put in a role he isn't good enough for
Two 2nds for Georges sounds about right,
But if teams are gonna massively overpay....
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Feb 23 @ 1:52 AM ET
We could send him over to Europe to play...
I'm kinda surprised teams haven't done that yet - jdfitz77
Lots of reasons. 1) most 19 year old kids don't want to go and live on the other side of the world away from their family and friends. 2) 99% they don't speak the language or understand the culture. 3) it's a different game on different ice.
Why do you think it generally takes guys so much longer when they come over from Europe/Russia?
Having said that I think Matthews could be a trailblazer of sorts and that more, not a lot, but more guys at the very top could take that route. But he's in a unique position because no matter where he played he'd be at least 1,000 miles from home in the WHL in the best case, or 3,000 in the worst case, if he was in the QMJHL, Even at North Dakota the western most "good hockey school" is about 1,500 miles, so what's 6,000 to Switzerland?
Edit: I went to Germany for 2 weeks when I was 19 years old, and I stayed with family that I knew and had met on several occasions when they came over here, and I speak a fair bit of German because I grew up hearing it everyday at home. I had a blast, but after 2 weeks I was ready to come home.
Lots of reasons. 1) most 19 year old kids don't want to go and live on the other side of the world away from their family and friends. 2) 99% they don't speak the language or understand the culture. 3) it's a different game on different ice.
Why do you think it generally takes guys so much longer when they come over from Europe/Russia?
Having said that I think Matthews could be a trailblazer of sorts and that more, not a lot, but more guys at the very top could take that route. But he's in a unique position because no matter where he played he'd be at least 1,000 miles from home in the WHL in the best case, or 3,000 in the worst case, if he was in the QMJHL, Even at North Dakota the western most "good hockey school" is about 1,500 miles, so what's 6,000 to Switzerland?
Edit: I went to Germany for 2 weeks when I was 19 years old, and I stayed with family that I knew and had met on several occasions when they came over here, and I speak a fair bit of German because I grew up hearing it everyday at home. I had a blast, but after 2 weeks I was ready to come home. - Wetbandit1
I listed some reasons why not too
But what about a guy like Grigorenko?
That would've been a good situation for him IMO
Whether it was in Finland, Sweden, or even the KHL...
Also,
You've gotta consider that there's few players per organization that this would actually apply to
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Feb 23 @ 2:35 AM ET
I listed some reasons why not too
But what about a guy like Grigorenko?
That would've been a good situation for him IMO
Whether it was in Finland, Sweden, or even the KHL...
Also,
You've gotta consider that there's few players per organization that this would actually apply to - jdfitz77
Lol totally missed that. Yeah, for guys from there originally I think I'd be just as cautious, because they could say, well, you're already here and look how nice it is when everyone speaks your language and you can get your favorite borscht on every corner...
I just think they need to fix the transfer agreement when it comes up again and have some sort of "exceptional player status" like they do for kids going into junior. Like every team gets one guy at a time, not one guy a year, one guy at a time, so it could be once every other year a team can have a guy go to the AHL. I looked, but couldn't find a definite date when it expires, only that it did in 2012 when the last CBA did, so I'm guessing the next one will be up when the next CBA is, but that's pure speculation and I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other, if anyone could point to any clear evidence of when it does expire I'd be very happy to know.
Edit: The one guy at a time rule would seem to be a good compromise, the CHL only loses a handful of guys, and the NHL can develop guys where they're needed.
Lol totally missed that. Yeah, for guys from there originally I think I'd be just as cautious, because they could say, well, you're already here and look how nice it is when everyone speaks your language and you can get your favorite borscht on every corner...
I just think they need to fix the transfer agreement when it comes up again and have some sort of "exceptional player status" like they do for kids going into junior. Like every team gets one guy at a time, not one guy a year, one guy at a time, so it could be once every other year a team can have a guy go to the AHL. I looked, but couldn't find a definite date when it expires, only that it did in 2012 when the last CBA did, so I'm guessing the next one will be up when the next CBA is, but that's pure speculation and I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other, if anyone could point to any clear evidence of when it does expire I'd be very happy to know.
Edit: The one guy at a time rule would seem to be a good compromise, the CHL only loses a handful of guys, and the NHL can develop guys where they're needed. - Wetbandit1
I agree with ya,
But the CHL will fight to the death for any type of change to that agreement
U say a handful of guys,
But that league could be without 32 players each year that it would normally have
That's actually a lot
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Feb 23 @ 3:08 AM ET
I agree with ya,
But the CHL will fight to the death for any type of change to that agreement
U say a handful of guys,
But that league could be without 32 players each year that it would normally have
That's actually a lot
I do wish it would somehow change though - jdfitz77
There are only 30 NHL teams, but I get your point. But at the same time there are 60 teams in the CHL. You could have it where on a CHL team where more than one guy would be eligible only the highest drafted player could go to the AHL.
It's not perfect and you're right the CHL would never voluntarily give up even 30 players if they didn't have to.
He is on the Sabres so it's a moot point. McGinn is better. - cabin
Well he is currently cheaper and already has chemistry with players on our team... so I guess I agree.....? are we allowed to do that here? do we have to be friends now?
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Feb 23 @ 8:53 AM ET
oh thats right he got sent down at beginning of season didn't he. - Havic3814
He's been up and down I think a few times this year, but has spent a good portion of the season in the AHL.
In general, over their careers it's pretty close. However, the one area McGinn seems to be an upgrade is on the power play. Though it could just be that Bickell never really gets any in Chicago overall and McGinn has gotten quite a bit more.
