Chris Pronger was traded with 2 years of a $4.9mil cap hit while on LTIR because he was only owed an actual salary $575k/year. Arizona saw a cheap way to get to the CBA mandated floor.

In 2017-18, Hossa's salary will be $1mil while his cap hit will be $5.275mil. For a small market team struggling to meet the floor, I would think Marion Hossa's net -$4.275mil contract would be coveted weather he can still play or not.
- PuckAndSticks

Hossa will not get traded for the simple reason of cap recapture. No way the Hawks allow that situation to be out of their control (for as much control as they can have in the situation).

You can play around with the details here: http://war-on-ice.com/buy...ontractid=xhossama79-2010

The short of it is that Hawks have to find a way to either keep Hossa playing or have a legitimate reason to LTIR him until 2020 otherwise the cap ramifications would be really bad.

Currently we're $491,000 below the cap. If both Kruger and Hossa end up on LTIR it would look something like this.

$1,500,000 +
$5,280,000 =

$6,780,000



- $491,000

= $6,289,000 allowed salary over the cap.
- walleyeb1

Thats a lot

Currently we're $491,000 below the cap. If both Kruger and Hossa end up on LTIR it would look something like this.

$1,500,000 +
$5,280,000 =

$6,780,000



- $491,000

= $6,289,000 allowed salary over the cap.
- walleyeb1

Yikes walleye.......if that's correct....and I don't doubt your math......that's a boatload of cash to spend. Along with the added benefit of resting Hossa for 25 days (or whatever the rule is for LTIR).

Anyone else making the trek to Minnesota this weekend? Just saw that the temps are in the 40's! (47 Saturday, 40 Sunday) I got all this cold weather gear and no where to wear it!

Yikes walleye.......if that's correct....and I don't doubt your math......that's a boatload of cash to spend. Along with the added benefit of resting Hossa for 25 days (or whatever the rule is for LTIR).
- ILGolfer

81 and 16 would have to sit the rest of the regular season if the Hawks spend all the LTIR $

Hossa will not get traded for the simple reason of cap recapture. No way the Hawks allow that situation to be out of their control (for as much control as they can have in the situation).

You can play around with the details here: http://war-on-ice.com/buy...ontractid=xhossama79-2010

The short of it is that Hawks have to find a way to either keep Hossa playing or have a legitimate reason to LTIR him until 2020 otherwise the cap ramifications would be really bad.
- dstainer

Cap recapture only applies if he retires I thought. Trades do not impact that.

Don't buy this at all. If the desire was there why didn't they push a change for this year? All clubs can use it so it's not unfair, besides the owners want that provision for a reason...

The wealthiest, cap tight clubs can use it to their advantage if needed...which is good for the league. Believe it or not the wealthiest clubs are the most powerful clubs, with the most powerful owners... and the most powerful owners support Bettman.
- ArlingtonRob

Don't know why they didn't push for a change.

But its crystal clear the league wants parity.

And while all clubs can use this, they do not have resources to do this.

And I don't know if the wealthiest clubs support Bettman. Neither do you or anyone else here know which teams truly support Bettman or the league.

Don't know why they didn't push for a change.

But its crystal clear the league wants parity.

And while all clubs can use this, they do not have resources to do this.

And I don't know if the wealthiest clubs support Bettman. Neither do you or anyone else here know which teams truly support Bettman or the league.
- blackhawk24

My guess (as most supportive) is Phi (due to the Comcast/NBC TV deal), all of the southern teams, California teams, Carolina, Edm, Pit, and Det.

81 and 16 would have to sit the rest of the regular season if the Hawks spend all the LTIR $
- mrpaulish

Thanks MrPaulish but I thought LTIR meant you had to miss 10 games and 24 days?....That doesn't take us to the end of the regular season. Am I missing something?

Thanks MrPaulish but I thought LTIR meant you had to miss 10 games and 24 days?....That doesn't take us to the end of the regular season. Am I missing something?
- ILGolfer

It's pro rated for the amount days on LTIR. So, if they do not spend the entire time on LTIR until the end of the regular season, you do not get the full cap credit.

It's pro rated for the amount days on LTIR. So, if they do not spend the entire time on LTIR until the end of the regular season, you do not get the full cap credit.
- furso27

Thanks furso, so regardless of the amount of time and games on LTIR, you don't get the full dollar benefit that was shown earlier by Walleye unless you're out for the remainder of the regular season whether the injury occurs in game 3 or game 53.....is that about right?

Thanks MrPaulish but I thought LTIR meant you had to miss 10 games and 24 days?....That doesn't take us to the end of the regular season. Am I missing something?
- ILGolfer

Im far from a capologist , but or example ...

The Hawks use IR (No cap benefit , but roster benefit) on 81. Therefore the Hawks can add a player from Rockford . That players cap hit is added to the roster . Still have to be cap compliant .

If the Hawks use LTIR ( Cap relief (players salary- available cap space) ) on 81 then 81 HAS to miss at least 24 days and AT LEAST 20 games I thought , but if its 10 then the same still applies . The Hawks get the cap relief AND the roster spot, if the Hawks add to the roster and they decide they want to add Hossa after the required time off but before the Playoffs start (NO CAP in the Playoffs) The Hawks still have to be cap compliant .

So if the Hawks add lets say Boedker at 3.75 M .

Then want to reactivate Hossa at 5.27m

That would put the Hawks at a cap total of 73.5M

Lets say the Hawks get 1M in cap relief by putting Kruger on LTIR the same time they do Hossa , that still puts the Hawks at 72.5 M in cap thats about a million over .

Therefore if a 3.75 M payer is added after 81 and 16 go on LTIR and 81 comes back before the regular season is over the Hawks will have to shed 1.125 M somewhere .

Or just wait till the regular season is over and there is no cap for the playoffs.

hopefully this isnt too confusing but its the best I could do while working at the same time .


***#s are based off of the #s on General Fanger's cap site . Only the Blackhawks and the NHL know exactly the cap space the Hawks have . Plus teams trading with the Hawks could keeps some of the salary of traded players for a better return from the Hawks

81 and 16 would have to sit the rest of the regular season if the Hawks spend all the LTIR $
- mrpaulish

Adding Boedker/Grossmann would be $6.75 mil so very close to the LTIR pushup. Make it happen Stan and let Hossa rest up!

Adding Boedker/Grossmann would be $6.75 mil so very close to the LTIR pushup. Make it happen Stan and let Hossa rest up!
- Assman22

If legally possible thats what I would do . Shelve Hossa till the playoffs and get him back to beast mode . He's played a TON of hockey since 2010 and is the oldest of the core by far

Didn't Q state Hossa would miss around 2 weeks and the injury isn't as bad as they fir st thought. If Q is correct, than all this talk about Hossa going on LTIR can stop because he won't be going on LTIR - there's no advantage for the Hawks to put Hossa on LTIR if he will be back before the playoffs.

If legally possible thats what I would do . Shelve Hossa till the playoffs and get him back to beast mode . He's played a TON of hockey since 2010 and is the oldest of the core by far
- mrpaulish

Q said he's maybe out a couple weeks at this morning's skate so I guess there goes that thought.

Darling first off the ice so he likely starts vs Toronto and Shaw had a bad cut near his right eye during warmups and had to get patched up. Doubt he misses any time.

Going to watch Det vs Cag coming up here at 1 .Will keep a eye on Hudler and Russel . because if we don't get JVR and Polak I believe it will be Hudler and maybe Russel ...Fun Monday off and Hockey on all day ..GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!

Didn't Q state Hossa would miss around 2 weeks and the injury isn't as bad as they fir st thought. If Q is correct, than all this talk about Hossa going on LTIR can stop because he won't be going on LTIR - there's no advantage for the Hawks to put Hossa on LTIR if he will be back before the playoffs.
- EbonyRaptor

I wouldnt believe anything Q or Bowman says right now

As great as an extra 5M would be and amazing to rest up Hossa, I think he might be pretty rusty and not in sync with his line come playoff time. It would probably only take a few games/one entire series but still.

Hossa means way too much to this team to unnecesarily sit him out for the rest of the regualar season. Now if Bickell or Scuds got hurt....

No way the coaches don't want him back, no way the players don't want him back, no way Stan doesn't want him back...

Would love skinner/rask trade that somebody had proposed. Doubt it happens, but that would be ideal.

As far as TT goes, we can go round-round but lets look at it this way......19/15/16 are 3 of your 4 centers LONG term unless 16 gets crazy ideas this summer. I think 24 is a better option at C then 86.....then you look at RW and 88/81 and are going no where. 86 hasn't shown enough to possibly push 81 down to a more Modano role as his finishing touch has tapered off.

So my point is, where does 86 fit in long term? Yes, he's versatile but so is 65 and 65 has shown a better consistency to produce then 86 at the NHL level. The other risk you take is at what point do OTHER teams start to downgrade the worth of 86 if the Hawks were to ever shop him?

The goal is to win....today It's up to Hawks management to walk that fine line to ensure long term success, but a cup today supersedes any talk of what if tomorrow.

To me you need to upgrade the depth. Sekac is on his 3rd NHL team in the past 12 months. Panik was a Toronto castoff. Both of these guys haven't made anyone think the depth scoring is getting more consistent. This team is still 2 lines and 2 lines heavily for any chance to score.

You get a legit top 6 lw and now you have 3rd line of danault, shaw and teuvo once Hossa comes back. You can then roll Rasmussen with Desi and Kruger come playoff time or flip flop Rasmussen with Shaw if you wanted.

However, when Desi is giving a shot to play with 19/65 as soon as Hossa goes out on Saturday that should send up red flags as to how bad Q views the depth on this team. Not a chance in hell Desi gets that shot that last spring because the depth was a TON better.

Big 2 weeks for Bowman.....west as usual is pretty stocked 1-8.

The Goose is out again tonight. Love it. way to give the kid the tough love to make sure he plays his position- Defense.

Damn I wish Teets would get this treatment.

Remember when the DEESH was scratched throughout November and came out like a man on a mission?

If Hino works out pull up McNeil Ross or whoever for a showcase and let teets sit for a week. I GUARANTEE he will actually fight for a puck

Thanks furso, so regardless of the amount of time and games on LTIR, you don't get the full dollar benefit that was shown earlier by Walleye unless you're out for the remainder of the regular season whether the injury occurs in game 3 or game 53.....is that about right?
- ILGolfer

I believe you are correct.

For reference....https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir_faq

You get the cap relief based on where you are cap wise when the player is placed on LTIR, but you only get that benefit while they are on LTIR. The injured player still technically counts against the cap, but you are allowed to spent higher than the cap while they are out.

http://fansided.com/2016/...1-move-every-team-make/8/

SI wish trade has a #1 to Carolina for Kris Versteeg and Eric Staal

how do they come up with us having cap space. I came up with $71845 including. $100K blader, 3,050K Bicks, $750 bonus from last year and $1.5 kruger and $5275k hossa.

Thanks to all for the LTIR/cap info. Yikes.....no wonder every frickin' NHL team needs a capologist to crunch those numbers. Of course, sure they have a computer to do the real number crunching!!

Either way, gonna be interesting to see how the boys come out tonight. Dog days of the middle of Feb but only 5 games in the next 15 days, so March is coming quick.