Sharp was a 4th liner in philly with no pp time and it was WIDELY known.

TT gets top 9 minutes, occasionally top 6 minutes AND PP time and we are comparing their stats why?
- hawkeytalkman

True, it's not really a good comparison in a lot of ways.

I get that people want more from Teuvo, there's nothing wrong with that. But to give up on a 21 year kid because he's not a first round phenom during his first full season is nuts and a waste of an asset. Sometimes you need to be patient. After the 2012 playoffs many (if not most) Blackhawks fans wanted Crawford gone but Stan showed patience. How did that work out?

Patience and coaching is needed with Teuvo, not a trade.
- DarthKane

I agree....you can bet the farm stanbow ain't trading TT for 3 month rental. And I seriously doubt he will trade him in a good ole fashion hockey trade.

All this TT carping got me wondering. Is he really as bad as many on this board seem to think? So I went out to HockeyDB and pulled up the stats for all players drafted in 2012 (TT was 18th overall in 2012). And from those stats can be seen this piece of information:

only 2, count them 2, players drafted after TT (14 career goals) have outscored him to date. Olli Matta (16g) and Tanner Pearson (22g). Both of those players have seen many more NHL games to date with TT at 93 games played, Matta at 147 and Pearson at 120.

What we all need to realize is we did draft one of the best players possible at that draft position. And we have to remember that due to the cap and top heavy salary structure of the Hawks, TT was rushed to the big team. Could he have benefited from more play time at the Rock, for sure. But at the current time, we are benefiting from him a lot more than most every other team is on their picks that came from spot 18 on.

He is still a kid, one who should still be learning at the Rock with spot duty in Chi, but due to items out of his control he is here, and based on his current growth, especially in Q's eyes, he is here to stay and we should be welcoming him with open arms, not constantly slamming him for every single mistake he makes. All players make mistakes, we just have to live with the fact that he is doing his learning in Chi instead of the Rock and just appreciate what we have and just hope he does grow in to what the original expectations of him were.

hmm was wondering when I woke up this morning if Leafs fans wish that their worst player and biggest problem was TT
- vabeachbear

I know isn't he the worst he must have something on Q I mean common man that must be it, it must be pretty good since he plays 15 minutes a night

ok so they beat the hapless leafs and puck decided to go in on the pp. Still as Q noted: defensive zone protection and shot suppression continues to be a problem. They again allowed close to 40 with 37 SOG's by the leafs in a game that was 7-0 in the third.

Who knew Mash had a Patrick Kane type snipe in him

TDL Prospects since the New Year:

Boedkker: 18 games, 1 G, 5 A, -13
Rask: 16 games, 4 G, 4 A, -2
Staal, E: 18 games, 1 G, 5 A, -3
Versteeg: 18 games, 6 G, 4 A, -1
Purcell: 18 games, 2 G, 5 A, -3
Eriksson: 20 games, 6 G, 5 A, +2
Komarov: 18 games, 3 G, 7 A, -2

For your reference:
Andrew Shaw: 21 games, 4 G, 10 A, +8

poop... leave Shawsie as 1LW but we need a 3rd line that can score. What about Komarov? He's on a terrible team but is only -2 and wouldn't be a rental. Boedkker is on a terrible team but has the worst +/- of anyone. Eriksson would be good. And, sorry, but Versteeg wouldn't be a bad option. He's a better 3rd liner than Desjardins.
- DMChi2010

You forgot Skinner 5 GP, 1 G, 4 A, +4

Anyone catch the Gaudreau goal last night against the Ducks? If that had been the Hawks, it would've been ruled goalie interference!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXV1jqRYrdM

The criticism of TT over the past week or two has been overblown, to the extreme. I understand that it is in part due to the mob mentality common with groups of passionate humans who pile on a scapegoat when their expectations aren't being met. But, the criticism is based from those (our) expectations more so than objectivity. We expect linear improvement and when we don't get what we want we blame him, which is unfair of us. It's OK to criticize, but the piling on over the past week or two has been unfair.

That said, I don't believe he is a pu$$y, but I do agree he must play with more determination. Yes, you take what the defense gives you, but not to the point where you are easily neutralized and that has been too often the case with TT.

All this TT carping got me wondering. Is he really as bad as many on this board seem to think? So I went out to HockeyDB and pulled up the stats for all players drafted in 2012 (TT was 18th overall in 2012). And from those stats can be seen this piece of information:

only 2, count them 2, players drafted after TT (14 career goals) have outscored him to date. Olli Matta (16g) and Tanner Pearson (22g). Both of those players have seen many more NHL games to date with TT at 93 games played, Matta at 147 and Pearson at 120.

What we all need to realize is we did draft one of the best players possible at that draft position. And we have to remember that due to the cap and top heavy salary structure of the Hawks, TT was rushed to the big team. Could he have benefited from more play time at the Rock, for sure. But at the current time, we are benefiting from him a lot more than most every other team is on their picks that came from spot 18 on.

He is still a kid, one who should still be learning at the Rock with spot duty in Chi, but due to items out of his control he is here, and based on his current growth, especially in Q's eyes, he is here to stay and we should be welcoming him with open arms, not constantly slamming him for every single mistake he makes. All players make mistakes, we just have to live with the fact that he is doing his learning in Chi instead of the Rock and just appreciate what we have and just hope he does grow in to what the original expectations of him were.
- Hossa2theHOF

Well said, and you make very valid points. The issue is they don't have the luxury of time to let him mature and grow physically in a win now mode. So in my mind you move him to fill a need

Jees, give the kid a break. Rather than continually complaining, hope that he gets going. Cause TT finding his game in time for the playoffs is a big benefit to the hawks chances.
- hawkitect

I was joking.

Anyone catch the Gaudreau goal last night against the Ducks? If that had been the Hawks, it would've been ruled goalie interference!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXV1jqRYrdM
- resqmed99

That is complete BS, he skated into the crease on his own. All I can say is, there is money being paid off for the calls to be so inconsistent.

That is complete BS, he skated into the crease on his own. All I can say is, there is money being paid off for the calls to be so inconsistent.
- powerenforcer

Please, no throwing gas on pe's conspiracy fire.

Please, no throwing gas on pe's conspiracy fire.
- EbonyRaptor

Do you have a better reason?

Anybody notice which side TT scored his goal from?

Anybody notice which side TT scored his goal from?
- 6628

RW, I believe.

RW, I believe.
- powerenforcer

Yep. Both TT and Dano are best on the right side.

Rewatching the game, did anybody else notice Hinostroza won the board battle that led to the Mashinter goal?

That is complete BS, he skated into the crease on his own. All I can say is, there is money being paid off for the calls to be so inconsistent.
- powerenforcer

biggest difference on this one and what we saw on Hossa and Rasmussen is the puck was in the crease first on this one, then the player followed it with a lovely shove from Bieksa. Puck first then allows the player to go after it. Add to it the Bieksa shove, good goal.

Rewatching the game, did anybody else notice Hinostroza won the board battle that led to the Mashinter goal?
- Dabearshawks

Yes he played a good game last night . And Masher goal was a beauty ,he looked him off like he might pass ,then zing top shelve . Should have had two , I don't mind Masher game at all . Always working hard ..

Yep. Both TT and Dano are best on the right side.
- 6628

TT should be playing Center , on a lower line 3rd or 4th .If they are not going to play him there , then maybe a deal is best ..

Rewatching the game, did anybody else notice Hinostroza won the board battle that led to the Mashinter goal?
- Dabearshawks

Yes, they made sure he got his credit in the post game wrap-up as well.

You forgot Skinner 5 GP, 1 G, 4 A, +4
- Dabearshawks

I don't know if the need for a 1LW is as dire as we all thought. Shaw has done a bang-up job getting 30 points so far and that includes spending some time in the bottom 6 to start the season. By comparison Anisimov has 33 points playing with the best offensive tandem in the league.

I would love for the team to be so deep that Shaw is in the bottom 6, but if he's still with Toews come playoff time that won't be a bad thing.

I still say Stan needs to find a defenseman first. I'd also like to see him get another penalty killing bottom 6 forward. A healthy Kruger and Hossa will help the PK. But it would be nice to get another forward so Q doesn't have to play Toews and/or Hossa as much on the penalty kill.

Eric Francis in Xm just said Hudler has been an anchor on his line. Basically the Flam3s would be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for him

I don't know if the need for a 1LW is as dire as we all thought. Shaw has done a bang-up job getting 30 points so far and that includes spending some time in the bottom 6 to start the season. By comparison Anisimov has 33 points playing with the best offensive tandem in the league.

I would love for the team to be so deep that Shaw is in the bottom 6, but if he's still with Toews come playoff time that won't be a bad thing.

I still say Stan needs to find a defenseman first. I'd also like to see him get another penalty killing bottom 6 forward. A healthy Kruger and Hossa will help the PK. But it would be nice to get another forward so Q doesn't have to play Toews and/or Hossa as much on the penalty kill.
- DarthKane

If Shaw stays at 1LW then (btw people please start learning the difference between then and than, so aggravating to see grown ups use grammar like my 9 yo) I think another 3LW is in top order. If Shaw or Panarin go down the LW situation becomes at best very scary. Some depth there would be nice. But agreed I think another 5/6 dman would be a bigger priority (I think a top 4 might be a pipe dream).

TT should be playing Center , on a lower line 3rd or 4th .If they are not going to play him there , then maybe a deal is best ..
- oldduffman

I agree, I would play him at center and make Daneault play the LW. And I agree, if they are going to force the left side on him then a deal might be best. And I'm thinking TT might agree with us.