You comparing him to sharp and their stat lines made it very clear you don't understand either situation and why they are not comparable


http://articles.philly.co...atrick-sharp-matt-ellison
- hawkeytalkman

I fully understand that one guy at 21 was developing with zero spotlight in the AHL and the other one won a Cup at 20 and has to develop at the highest level. And in the salary cap era with the two highest paid players in the league, having a guy develop while only making 800k is valuable. Seeing as this will be his first full NHL season, I'm fully aware for a young player there's ups and downs. And seeing as how Q (who is notoriously tough on young players) sees fit to play him at all 3 forward positions, the point on the PP and on the PK...I'd say he's doing just fine living up to the hype and will be in the league a very long time. When he hits 25-26 years old is when I'd expect him to be playing his best, consistent hockey.

boedker -26, his team wins 6-2 and he has 1 shot on goal and 1 assist and is even for the game. I know people are hi on him but is he that good? Stalberg was fast as well and did score some goals here and there. stalberg scored 22 goals at 24-25. boedker did 19 at 23-24. Saad has about the same # of points on a terrible Col team and he is a 0.

Sharp was a 4th liner in philly with no pp time and it was WIDELY known.

TT gets top 9 minutes, occasionally top 6 minutes AND PP time and we are comparing their stats why?

Im pretty sure superior talent is the difference in 100% of the games the Leafs play
- SimpleJack

That's a shame...

Sharp was a 4th liner in philly with no pp time and it was WIDELY known.

TT gets top 9 minutes, occasionally top 6 minutes AND PP time and we are comparing their stats why?
- hawkeytalkman

Because you said he would never "be the player Sharp is" when at 21 years old, of course he won't be where Sharp is at 30. But based on where they were at the same age, I'd say TT is doing just fine for himself

I fully understand that one guy at 21 was developing with zero spotlight in the AHL and the other one won a Cup at 20 and has to develop at the highest level. And in the salary cap era with the two highest paid players in the league, having a guy develop while only making 800k is valuable. Seeing as this will be his first full NHL season, I'm fully aware for a young player there's ups and downs. And seeing as how Q (who is notoriously tough on young players) sees fit to play him at all 3 forward positions, the point on the PP and on the PK...I'd say he's doing just fine living up to the hype and will be in the league a very long time. When he hits 25-26 years old is when I'd expect him to be playing his best, consistent hockey.
- PatShart

Uh wut?

TT 100% plays the half wall on the pp and never plays the point unless they are in the middle of a rotation.

He plays the exact same position as kane on the 2nd unit

Uh wut?

TT 100% plays the half wall on the pp and never plays the point unless they are in the middle of a rotation.

He plays the exact same position as kane on the 2nd unit
- hawkeytalkman

He plays the point on the second unit

I just dont understand the whole RUSH is with judging TT so harshly?

What the hell is wrong with him being a solid 3rd liner for us come playoff time? Why does he have to "live up to the hype" and be some stud young top 6 future star in the making ALREADY?

Let the kid learn through his rough patches, and continue to be a solid 3rd liner for us(as he has been in the past), we'll need him during the playoffs. He will get better I am sure, he's clearly been in a mental funk. He's gonna get beat up and thrown around sometimes, but he is a valuable asset for other reasons.
- SimpleJack

I get that people want more from Teuvo, there's nothing wrong with that. But to give up on a 21 year kid because he's not a first round phenom during his first full season is nuts and a waste of an asset. Sometimes you need to be patient. After the 2012 playoffs many (if not most) Blackhawks fans wanted Crawford gone but Stan showed patience. How did that work out?

Patience and coaching is needed with Teuvo, not a trade.

He plays the point on the second unit
- PatShart

No. He doesnt

Because you said he would never "be the player Sharp is" when at 21 years old, of course he won't be where Sharp is at 30. But based on where they were at the same age, I'd say TT is doing just fine for himself
- PatShart

Actually i said "i doubt he ever reaches sharps accomplishments" but its cool to make up quotes

No. He doesnt
- hawkeytalkman

yes, he does

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yes, he does

72-15-88
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- PatShart

No. He doesnt. I will gladly pm you a screen shot of the next power play.

Here is also a site to familiarize yourself with. They update it daily and low and behold, TT in the same spot, as always, as kane. EVERY DAY

http://www2.dailyfaceoff....nes/19/chicago-blackhawks

No. He doesnt. I will gladly pm you a screen shot of the next power play.

Here is also a site to familiarize yourself with. They update it daily and low and behold, TT in the same spot, as always, as kane. EVERY DAY

http://www2.dailyfaceoff....nes/19/chicago-blackhawks
- hawkeytalkman

So Hossa doesn't play the PP? Lol.

yes, he does

72-15-88
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65-19-81
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- PatShart

TT plays the half wall opposite of hossa, toews plays goal line, hossa plays half wall, shaw is net front. If you havent noticed, chicago plays a rotating 1-3-1 pp now

So Hossa doesn't play the PP? Lol.
- PatShart

I will send you screen shots to show you Xs and Os

Only way youll get it

Did you see where i said they update DAILY? Hossa is obviously injured

I think i agree with the idea of keeping Shaw at 1LW and looking for maybe a depth LW/C/defenseman instead. What would be great is if Dano somehow burst on to the scene AND we add a legit #4D.

Dano-Danault-Teravainen
Desjardins-Kruger-Sekac/Panik/Rasmussen

Could that be a Cup champion caliber bottom 6? With an elite top 6 and what would become an elite D core(assuming we add that new #4 D and put TVR with Rozsival on 3rd pair), i think it could. I'd love to see Dano get another shot, and if not or if he fails again maybe try Sekac/Panik in that spot(3LW).

The 4 keys to the stability of our playoff bottom 6 will be the return of Kruger(how rusty might he be?), the continued development of Danault as a 3C(how does he react to the playoff intensity?), the filling of the void at LW(who joins Shaw, Panarin, and Desi?), and what must be a drastic improvement in Teravainen's overall play from what we've seen the past month(i think he turns it around).
- SimpleJack

I don't see that as a cup caliber bottom six on 80% of nights. If everyone there is on their freakin game then yes. Absolutely. But we cannot count on that as of now.

I believe if Panik can bring killer instinct and finish as he develops down the stretch to the third line maybe.
If you asked me yesterday or this morning the same question I'd say Hell No! we're a streaky team right now to put it nicely.

Teddy Purcell on that third line would be disgusting. Versteeg would add a scoring touch and mediocre D. We need a 20 goal scorer (maybe multiple times) down there and likely a vet presence. Hudler would be good if he can play big and not like Teets.

That third line scoring role in my opinion will be the difference maker once Kruger returns and Danault is off of checking line duty. A sharpie style guy the Carp can feed and can take it to the house. Once we can score off of three lines its over for everyone except LA. That will be a matchup.

Shaw fits this third line perfectly but then we need the 1LW. It's likely cheaper and easier to fill a 3LW than the 1LW. If we do get the #1 guy and it doesn't work out flip him and shaw back and our 3rd should be just as good if not better than with Shaw.

I will send you screen shots to show you Xs and Os

Only way youll get it

Did you see where i said they update DAILY? Hossa is obviously injured
- hawkeytalkman

Be sure to show me the screen shots of how amazing it is to win a Calder Cup vs the Stanley Cup as well

Be sure to show me the screen shots of how amazing it is to win a Calder Cup vs the Stanley Cup as well
- PatShart

Geez at least you gave up on trying to talk simple hockey structures

I don't see that as a cup caliber bottom six on 80% of nights. (Dano-Danault-Teets; Desjardins-Kruger-Sakic/Panik/Rasmussen) If everyone there is on their freakin game then yes. Absolutely. But we cannot count on that as of now.

I believe if Panik can bring killer instinct and finish as he develops down the stretch to the third line maybe.
If you asked me yesterday or this morning the same question I'd say Hell No! we're a streaky team right now to put it nicely.

Teddy Purcell on that third line would be disgusting. Versteeg would add a scoring touch and mediocre D. We need a 20 goal scorer (maybe multiple times) down there and likely a vet presence. Hudler would be good if he can play big and not like Teets.

That third line scoring role in my opinion will be the difference maker once Kruger returns and Danault is off of checking line duty. A sharpie style guy the Carp can feed and can take it to the house. Once we can score off of three lines its over for everyone except LA. That will be a matchup.

Shaw fits this third line perfectly but then we need the 1LW. It's likely cheaper and easier to fill a 3LW than the 1LW. If we do get the #1 guy and it doesn't work out flip him and shaw back and our 3rd should be just as good if not better than with Shaw.
- TheCore

a) Agreed.

b) Agreed.

c) The upside is that maybe with the cap space we can add a cheaper depth scoring forward AND a depth #4/5 defenseman who can be trusted to eat big minutes and take some heat off TVR, Gustaffson/Svedberg.

hmm was wondering when I woke up this morning if Leafs fans wish that their worst player and biggest problem was TT

Nine of the next ten are against playoff teams, but unfortunately, only 4 of these are before the trade deadline.

Before: @Rangers, @Wild, Preds, Caps

After: @ Wings, @ Bruins, Wings, @ Blues, @ Stars, Kings

I wonder when StanBow pulls the trigger on a deal...

Nine of the next ten are against playoff teams, but unfortunately, only 4 of these are before the trade deadline.

Before: @Rangers, @Wild, Preds, Caps

After: @ Wings, @ Bruins, Wings, @ Blues, @ Stars, Kings

I wonder when StanBow pulls the trigger on a deal...
- DMChi2010

Honestly... while every game should be tough, i dont see more than 2 teams that really scare me. Caps and Kings are legit threats. in those 10 games i think 13+ points is completely possible. If we get a trade, i expect it after the wild game. Wild game on sunday, then 3 full days off to work a deal and get players moved around before the preds game. Maybe something announced day off preds game (Hogs are off that day... between games at MIL and at Erie), so they could have guys come up for the night if needed.

Nine of the next ten are against playoff teams, but unfortunately, only 4 of these are before the trade deadline.

Before: @Rangers, @Wild, Preds, Caps

After: @ Wings, @ Bruins, Wings, @ Blues, @ Stars, Kings

I wonder when StanBow pulls the trigger on a deal...
- DMChi2010

This is going to be a very fun stretch

i sat behind the bench tonight panarin is bigger then kane and if teows is 6-3 seabs is 6-5. also players were really happy for Mash. must be a good guy. I might have to go the other way and start pulling for him. if you ever told me I would see I 1st power play unit of of roz and sved I would have told you were crazy. panik was fine but was hoping for more. hinzo was OK.
- kmw4631

He's about 6'1" maybe add a half inch. MOST listed heights for NHL players, for some reason, are about an inch generous.

I don't see that as a cup caliber bottom six on 80% of nights. If everyone there is on their freakin game then yes. Absolutely. But we cannot count on that as of now.

I believe if Panik can bring killer instinct and finish as he develops down the stretch to the third line maybe.
If you asked me yesterday or this morning the same question I'd say Hell No! we're a streaky team right now to put it nicely.

Teddy Purcell on that third line would be disgusting. Versteeg would add a scoring touch and mediocre D. We need a 20 goal scorer (maybe multiple times) down there and likely a vet presence. Hudler would be good if he can play big and not like Teets.

That third line scoring role in my opinion will be the difference maker once Kruger returns and Danault is off of checking line duty. A sharpie style guy the Carp can feed and can take it to the house. Once we can score off of three lines its over for everyone except LA. That will be a matchup.

Shaw fits this third line perfectly but then we need the 1LW. It's likely cheaper and easier to fill a 3LW than the 1LW. If we do get the #1 guy and it doesn't work out flip him and shaw back and our 3rd should be just as good if not better than with Shaw.
- TheCore

This is a guy who I have left off the list, forgot actually, but has been mentioned to me this season and the last couple as a guy the Hawks have liked.

DON'T be surprised if he is a TDL acquisition.