Myers just did a segment with TheFan590 in Toronto and mentioned the Hawks needs...i.e. a winger and another d-man, but said winger is likely higher priority.

Nice scrapp in the rangers flyers game...2 of them

There are teams that are "poor" or "extremely careful with money". Because of this, they have a difficult time reaching the floor. A contract that costs $1mil/yr but adds $5.275mil to the books is valuable to floor seeking team as long as Hossa does not retire. As such, there would be no recapture.

Sure, dynamics of a team can change over time and perhaps the floor buffer eventually becomes a ceiling hindrance, but this "hypothetical Hossa trade" likely wouldn't happen for a few years yet. Thus making the projections much more accurate and promise of no recapture more assured.
- PuckAndSticks

As it's set up the Hawks have maximally benefitted from the Hossa contract in terms of salary vs. cap hit. Therefore, if Hossa were ever traded the cap recapture penalty would only apply to the Hawks and not the acquiring team.

The cap recapture penalties are as follows:

2016: 3.675 mil for 5 years
2017: 4.275 mil for 4 years
2018: 4.275 mil for 3 years
2019: 4.275 mil for 2 years
2020: 4.275 mil for 1 years

Couple of notes:

1) Cap recapture would occur if he retires at any point before his contract is up trade or no trade
2) Hossa is scheduled to make $1 mil/yr starting in 2017/18 season

Under these circumstances the only year I would see the Hawks entertaining a Hossa trade would be in 2020 and possibly only at the trade deadline to give him one last shot at a cup. Any other situation opens up too much risk for the Hawks that Hossa would be unhappy with his situation and would walk. My guess would be they'd rather be more in control of the situation and message.

Hawks are also in the same situation with Keith, different numbers but similar circumstances. Despite the fact that this puts the Hawks in a precarious position it's one of the reasons why they've been able to be so successful with the cap. They have 2 HOF players playing on what equates to illegal (yes I know they were legal at the time) contracts.

So best we can all do is hope that they are able to maintain their play for as long as they can and play out their contracts (the other option is LTIR but I don't ever hope that a player gets hurt so we can get out of a contract).

Myers just did a segment with TheFan590 in Toronto and mentioned the Hawks needs...i.e. a winger and another d-man, but said winger is likely higher priority.
- philco28

Phil...worst kept secret in the NHL.

Vinny interview in the locker room "I'm really excited to come up here and help the team whatever way I can whether it's blocking a shot, making a hit, or scoring a goal." Teuvo take notice!

Im taking Panik to score first tonight. They always say pay back is a B#!$h.

86 should be playing there to start. 14 should never be playing in the top 6.
- tboucher77

Have you watched the last four Hawks games?

As it's set up the Hawks have maximally benefitted from the Hossa contract in terms of salary vs. cap hit. Therefore, if Hossa were ever traded the cap recapture penalty would only apply to the Hawks and not the acquiring team.

The cap recapture penalties are as follows:

2016: 3.675 mil for 5 years
2017: 4.275 mil for 4 years
2018: 4.275 mil for 3 years
2019: 4.275 mil for 2 years
2020: 4.275 mil for 1 years

Couple of notes:

1) Cap recapture would occur if he retires at any point before his contract is up trade or no trade
2) Hossa is scheduled to make $1 mil/yr starting in 2017/18 season

Under these circumstances the only year I would see the Hawks entertaining a Hossa trade would be in 2020 and possibly only at the trade deadline to give him one last shot at a cup. Any other situation opens up too much risk for the Hawks that Hossa would be unhappy with his situation and would walk. My guess would be they'd rather be more in control of the situation and message.

Hawks are also in the same situation with Keith, different numbers but similar circumstances. Despite the fact that this puts the Hawks in a precarious position it's one of the reasons why they've been able to be so successful with the cap. They have 2 HOF players playing on what equates to illegal (yes I know they were legal at the time) contracts.

So best we can all do is hope that they are able to maintain their play for as long as they can and play out their contracts (the other option is LTIR but I don't ever hope that a player gets hurt so we can get out of a contract).
- dstainer

Only way he gets traded is if he is already LTIR and Hawks will have a good chance that year to win the cup as well. Perhaps...

Phil...worst kept secret in the NHL.
- ArlingtonRob

No doubt Rob...i should have signed it 'Captain Obvious'


Her saying winger > d-man was noteworthy

Game will be blacked out again on nhl.tv. Any streams available? I'm starting to get frosted with this nhl crap.
- hocktock

stream2watch.co usually has the hawks feed, not against anaheim tho.

As it's set up the Hawks have maximally benefitted from the Hossa contract in terms of salary vs. cap hit. Therefore, if Hossa were ever traded the cap recapture penalty would only apply to the Hawks and not the acquiring team.

The cap recapture penalties are as follows:

2016: 3.675 mil for 5 years
2017: 4.275 mil for 4 years
2018: 4.275 mil for 3 years
2019: 4.275 mil for 2 years
2020: 4.275 mil for 1 years

Couple of notes:

1) Cap recapture would occur if he retires at any point before his contract is up trade or no trade
2) Hossa is scheduled to make $1 mil/yr starting in 2017/18 season

Under these circumstances the only year I would see the Hawks entertaining a Hossa trade would be in 2020 and possibly only at the trade deadline to give him one last shot at a cup. Any other situation opens up too much risk for the Hawks that Hossa would be unhappy with his situation and would walk. My guess would be they'd rather be more in control of the situation and message.

Hawks are also in the same situation with Keith, different numbers but similar circumstances. Despite the fact that this puts the Hawks in a precarious position it's one of the reasons why they've been able to be so successful with the cap. They have 2 HOF players playing on what equates to illegal (yes I know they were legal at the time) contracts.

So best we can all do is hope that they are able to maintain their play for as long as they can and play out their contracts (the other option is LTIR but I don't ever hope that a player gets hurt so we can get out of a contract).
- dstainer

These recapture penalties are 100% not correct

If Hossa retires 1 year early, the Hawks get hit with a one time $18.375 mil recapture penalty for the upcoming season

The way recapture penalties work is you take the years the Hawks had a cap advantage of salary vs cap hit

In hossa's case its years 1-7 where his salary was $7.9 mil vs a $5.275 cap hit.

The total cap "advantage" Chicago had over that span was $18.375. The calculation is ($7.9 - $5.275)*7 = $18,375,000

This is the final year of Hossa's $7.9 mil salary and the upcoming years of the lower salary than cap hit doesnt "offset" the previous years cap advantage.

So beginning this summer, the Hawks are on the hook for full recapture.

These are the correct and adjusted number and I'm 100% certain of this:

2016: 3.675 mil for 5 years
2017: 4.59 mil for 4 years
2018: 6.125 mil for 3 years
2019: 9.1875 mil for 2 years
2020: 18.375 mil for 1 year

So Q said he wanted the Goose to be more involved and an offensive threat to get back into the lineup. Interesting. Q going for the play your strengths route, don't worry about solidifying your D. Its that dangerous rush play were looking for.

When he's back in the lineup we could be in for the golden egg!

Im taking Panik to score first tonight. They always say pay back is a B#!$h.
- BGKarras

Ill go KANEEERRRRRR , 1st shift

Any streams to watch the game tonight? I dont get NHL network.

Ladd is simply a pipe dream; would cost the team WAY too much for a rental within the division.
- hawks2010

One would think the opposite would be true. A team out of the playoffs should prefer trading a "rental" within the division. The buyers wouldn't be able to re-sign the player while the picks or prospects paid would weaken the team in the future.

One would think the opposite would be true. A team out of the playoffs should prefer trading a "rental" within the division. The buyers wouldn't be able to re-sign the player while the picks or prospects paid would weaken the team in the future.
- stanleyhawk

PLUS with the hard cap , all teams will consider trading with all teams , especially if one team is competitive and another team isnt (i.e. Hawks and Jets) Less likely to trade if both teams are in the same escheleon

Tracey Myers ‏@TramyersCSN 1m1 minute ago
#Blackhawks lines: 65-19-14, 72-15-88, 11-24-86, 53-70-48 (Hinostroza). D pairs: 2-4, 57-7, 43-32

Myers just did a segment with TheFan590 in Toronto and mentioned the Hawks needs...i.e. a winger and another d-man, but said winger is likely higher priority.
- philco28

Tracy ?




Are there any TV employees around here ???
WHY OH WHY OH WHY cant we get TSN in the States ? or can we and I just dont know how to do it ?

Tracey Myers ‏@TramyersCSN 1m1 minute ago
#Blackhawks lines: 65-19-14, 72-15-88, 11-24-86, 53-70-48 (Hinostroza). D pairs: 2-4, 57-7, 43-32
- mrpaulish

Positive: TT back on RW on 3rd line
Negative: Sekac out in favor of Monster Mash

Tracy ?




Are there any TV employees around here ???
WHY OH WHY OH WHY cant we get TSN in the States ? or can we and I just dont know how to do it ?
- mrpaulish

Only certain markets pick up TSN in the US

Northern Michigan, Upstate NY, and northern New England states, etc can pick up the TSN feed

Only certain markets pick up TSN in the US

Northern Michigan, Upstate NY, and northern New England states, etc can pick up the TSN feed
- hawkeytalkman

THAT SUCKS .

Positive: TT back on RW on 3rd line
Negative: Sekac out in favor of Monster Mash
- hawkeytalkman[/quote]

Tracey Myers ‏@TramyersCSN 1m1 minute ago
#Blackhawks lines: 65-19-14, 72-15-88, 11-24-86, 53-70-48 (Hinostroza). D pairs: 2-4, 57-7, 43-32
- mrpaulish

No Sekac?? -- Manpoopter instead? WTF-- thats no showcase-- is he protecting the little guys?

Lets hope a forward or 2 get on the board-- 3 of last 4 goals from d-men Seabrook (2) and Keith (1)

THAT SUCKS .
- mrpaulish

Yea, I know for sure markets like Detroit and Buffalo get both US and canadian feeds, especially given their close proximity to the CHL markets and teams.

I have buddies that live in both markets that come playoff time watches the TSN feeds over the 2nd and 3rd tier annoucers like Joe Micheletti and Kenny Albert when they have to do first round coverage for NBCSN

Positive: TT back on RW on 3rd line
Negative: Sekac out in favor of Monster Mash
- hawkeytalkman

I just don't get the whole Mashinter thing...

...solid AHL'r, but enough is enough.