McDavid is an amazing talent, but IMO I don't think his season has been that special.
- Glak18

Better than point per game (so far) as a 19-yo... that's pretty special.

Your correct Mc Jesus hasn't had a special season ....but there's still time...last years injury was a fluke...he punched the dasher boards in a fight.

Better than point per game (so far) as a 19-yo... that's pretty special.
- Tomahawk

20 games into the season, that is pretty special. If he is still there 50-60+ games into the year I will agree.

EDIT: I posted then saw your quote "yet another misuse of stats", very fitting

I think tanking on purpose brings all kinds of mental baggage that NO one wants in the Flyers organization. Now, selling off as many movable parts as possible and resting a host of players due to injury (hell both both goalies!) is a different story. Bring in the youth. Trade for youth and draft picks. Let the season end as it will. Pick best player available.

Time to start playing out the string. Playoffs, at this point, would be a miracle. I can't root for them to lose, but, if and when they do, I won't lose any sleep over it either.

They have some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. Is B. Schenn worth re-signing? Before you answer, consider that it will take at least 4.5 million per for a minimum of 4 years to do so. Can they find takers for any of the following at the deadline: Streit, Schultz, Read, Gagner or Raffl? Or, should they try and re-sign Raffl? I'm not even going to hope that AMac or RJ gets moved, that would be even more of miracle than making the playoffs.

Either way, it should at least be interesting.

Time to start playing out the string. Playoffs, at this point, would be a miracle. I can't root for them to lose, but, if and when they do, I won't lose any sleep over it either.

They have some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. Is B. Schenn worth re-signing? Before you answer, consider that it will take at least 4.5 million per for a minimum of 4 years to do so. Can they find takers for any of the following at the deadline: Streit, Schultz, Read, Gagner or Raffl? Or, should they try and re-sign Raffl? I'm not even going to hope that AMac or RJ gets moved, that would be even more of miracle than making the playoffs.

Either way, it should at least be interesting.
- BiggE

The only way Umberger and Mcdud get moved is retaining max salary/cap hit. Since we are at our max of retaining salary now it would have to be offseason. Umberger can prolly be moved for a bag of pucks and full retain this offseason or later on at the tdl next year. He isnt worth 4.6 but maybe 2.3 he is? Mcdud, I got nothing. If it wasnt a long contract I would say the same for him but its another four years. I dontknow

Time to start playing out the string. Playoffs, at this point, would be a miracle. I can't root for them to lose, but, if and when they do, I won't lose any sleep over it either.

They have some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. Is B. Schenn worth re-signing? Before you answer, consider that it will take at least 4.5 million per for a minimum of 4 years to do so. Can they find takers for any of the following at the deadline: Streit, Schultz, Read, Gagner or Raffl? Or, should they try and re-sign Raffl? I'm not even going to hope that AMac or RJ gets moved, that would be even more of miracle than making the playoffs.

Either way, it should at least be interesting.
- BiggE

The injuries to Couturier and Del Zotto surely puts the nail in the coffin for the playoff chances. They were slim to begin with B. Schenn is a tough decision. What he is a streaky goal scorer that can perhaps one day be a 25-30 goal scorer. The thing is, when he's not scoring he's pretty invisible. I guess in today's NHL a 25 goal scorer is worth 5 million a year.

I think the only real trading chip the Flyers have is Neuvirth. Streit hasn't played well, Read has been inconsistent etc. The last 28 games at least we have Ghost to watch. He's been a breath of fresh air.

Time to start playing out the string. Playoffs, at this point, would be a miracle. I can't root for them to lose, but, if and when they do, I won't lose any sleep over it either.

They have some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. Is B. Schenn worth re-signing? Before you answer, consider that it will take at least 4.5 million per for a minimum of 4 years to do so. Can they find takers for any of the following at the deadline: Streit, Schultz, Read, Gagner or Raffl? Or, should they try and re-sign Raffl? I'm not even going to hope that AMac or RJ gets moved, that would be even more of miracle than making the playoffs.

Either way, it should at least be interesting.
- BiggE

I am in this mind set as well. If some guys can moved it could possibly lead to Hextall signing one carefully chosen UFA .. Bodecker or Okposo??? The price tag for B Schenn will be interesting. Can't see him getting more than Couturier.

Time to start playing out the string. Playoffs, at this point, would be a miracle. I can't root for them to lose, but, if and when they do, I won't lose any sleep over it either.

They have some tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. Is B. Schenn worth re-signing? Before you answer, consider that it will take at least 4.5 million per for a minimum of 4 years to do so. Can they find takers for any of the following at the deadline: Streit, Schultz, Read, Gagner or Raffl? Or, should they try and re-sign Raffl? I'm not even going to hope that AMac or RJ gets moved, that would be even more of miracle than making the playoffs.

Either way, it should at least be interesting.
- BiggE

this team can be painful to watch

this team can be painful to watch
- vejim

That is why I would like to see Hextall move what he can so we can watch some young players for the remainder of season. At least give us a look into the future. I think Cousins has worked hard. Would also like to see Morin, Straka, Leier

this team can be painful to watch
- vejim

Yeah, and it won't get any better with MDZ out. However, I'm really looking forward to next year. Watching Ghost has been a treat and I think it's a very good chance that we'll see both Provorov and Konecny make the team next year. Heck, who knows, maybe they get lucky and we also see Matthews or one of the Finns in the lineup as well. Plus, I think Morin will be on the team before the end of next season, and maybe a guy like Leier or Lindblom as well.

Yeah, and it won't get any better with MDZ out. However, I'm really looking forward to next year. Watching Ghost has been a treat and I think it's a very good chance that we'll see both Provorov and Konecny make the team next year. Heck, who knows, maybe they get lucky and we also see Matthews or one of the Finns in the lineup as well. Plus, I think Morin will be on the team before the end of next season, and maybe a guy like Leier or Lindblom as well.
- BiggE

some players with grit and size will be welcome

some players with grit and size will be welcome
- vejim

That would be nice. While size isn't the end all be all it was during the clutch and grab era, it's still important. I would love to see them add some forwards with both size and speed to the lineup. The current group is just too small and they lose too many battles along the wall and in the corners.

On D, I think they will be fine as time goes on. Between Morin, Sanheim, and Provorov, they have a really nice combo of speed, skill, size and sense on the way, but they need a lot more of all up front.

That would be nice. While size isn't the end all be all it was during the clutch and grab era, it's still important. I would love to see them add some forwards with both size and speed to the lineup. The current group is just too small and they lose too many battles along the wall and in the corners.

On D, I think they will be fine as time goes on. Between Morin, Sanheim, and Provorov, they have a really nice combo of speed, skill, size and sense on the way, but they need a lot more of all up front.
- BiggE

Matt Martin is an UFA. Would bring size and really isn't a bad 4th line player.
Depending on $$$, of course.

His big contract doesn't kick in until next year. So I agree he is worth every penny this year. If Voracek makes a habit of slow starts and major slumps next year, Flyers could be in trouble. "Things" happen, but when "things" happen multiple times than "things" is what it is.
- Glak18

Since he became a Flyer, two other NHL wingers have more points than Voracek. That's over an extended time period, rather than a 2-3 month sample. Much like people shredding Giroux for the season he struggled out if the gate, Voracek's struggles were largely overstated.

some players with grit and size will be welcome
- vejim

Size 'with' speed and skill is needed in the lineup if you want to win....obviously there is room for smaller skilled guys....but there needs to be balance.

The injuries to Couturier and Del Zotto surely puts the nail in the coffin for the playoff chances. They were slim to begin with B. Schenn is a tough decision. What he is a streaky goal scorer that can perhaps one day be a 25-30 goal scorer. The thing is, when he's not scoring he's pretty invisible. I guess in today's NHL a 25 goal scorer is worth 5 million a year.

I think the only real trading chip the Flyers have is Neuvirth. Streit hasn't played well, Read has been inconsistent etc. The last 28 games at least we have Ghost to watch. He's been a breath of fresh air.
- PLindbergh31

They were gonna be sellers before MDZ got hurt, and there's quite a few pieces that could be worth draft picks. Gagner, Raffl, White & Medvedev are all UFAs and I doubt Gagner or Medvedev is back. Both should be worth 3rd or 4th rounders at the TDL. If they decide to move White, he's probably worth a 3rd. Raffl might be worth more.

In terms of guys who have term left, I think Nick Schultz might get a decent return. We shred him, but he's a steady third pair guy and teams have been paying 3rd or even 2nd rounders on those the last 4-5 deadlines. Plus the contract is manageable next year. Read might also be moveable for a decent pick-although Flyers probably have to take a contract back

Streit probably had some value, but his big cap hit next season, combined with his mediocre play since returning from injury really muddies the water in terms of his tradeability.

They were gonna be sellers before MDZ got hurt, and there's quite a few pieces that could be worth draft picks. Gagner, Raffl, White & Medvedev are all UFAs and I doubt Gagner or Medvedev is back. Both should be worth 3rd or 4th rounders at the TDL. If they decide to move White, he's probably worth a 3rd. Raffl might be worth more.

In terms of guys who have term left, I think Nick Schultz might get a decent return. We shred him, but he's a steady third pair guy and teams have been paying 3rd or even 2nd rounders on those the last 4-5 deadlines. Plus the contract is manageable next year. Read might also be moveable for a decent pick-although Flyers probably have to take a contract back

Streit probably had some value, but his big cap hit next season, combined with his mediocre play since returning from injury really muddies the water in terms of his tradeability.
- Jsaquella

I'm with you. Anyone who the Flyers do not want back for next season, should be moved. Even if they do not get fair value for them. Assets, Assets, Assets!

I'm with you. Anyone who the Flyers do not want back for next season, should be moved. Even if they do not get fair value for them. Assets, Assets, Assets!
- PLindbergh31

I just think it's much like the defense since Timonen got hurt-some decent pieces, but as a whole, it's lacking. But there's other teams that can use guys the Flyers should be looking to deal.

The potential cap drop hurts them a bit in thus regard, but there's enough UFAs to get something done

I think the 4th line is the least of our worries. To be honest, PEB, VDV, and white are just fine as a 4th line for now considering some of the other areas they really need to improve in.

I just think it's much like the defense since Timonen got hurt-some decent pieces, but as a whole, it's lacking. But there's other teams that can use guys the Flyers should be looking to deal.

The potential cap drop hurts them a bit in thus regard, but there's enough UFAs to get something done
- Jsaquella

Hextall finally starts getting the flyers' cap headed in the right direction and then the league lowers the cap ceiling

Hextall finally starts getting the flyers' cap headed in the right direction and then the league lowers the cap ceiling
- funmaster18

He still has it headed in the right direction. A lot of teams will be worse off than the Flyers.

I would imagine that if it it drops 4 million as has been reported, the league will give each team a compliance buyout....and AMac will be that buyout.

Hypothetical.

Let's say they manage to squeak out a 1st for Neuvirth.

We'd be looking at two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds.

The Flyers own the 11th pick or so.

Would you make a play for Laine? #2 overall for the two 1sts and a 2nd?

I think I would.

I think the 4th line is the least of our worries. To be honest, PEB, VDV, and white are just fine as a 4th line for now considering some of the other areas they really need to improve in.
- funmaster18

They're an adequate 4th line, but VandeVelde is a replacement level guy, White is a nice grinder, but he's poor on the PK. Upgrading the bottom six is necessary & not expensive

Hypothetical.

Let's say they manage to squeak out a 1st for Neuvirth.

We'd be looking at two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds.

The Flyers own the 11th pick or so.

Would you make a play for Laine? #2 overall for the two 1sts and a 2nd?

I think I would.
- Giroux_Is_God

If they are at 11 & 25, I'd happily trade up for a shot at Laine