sid did that before too. it happens.
- martox

Yes -18 if I remember. All part of the process?

Yes -18 if I remember. All part of the process?
- Aussiepenguin

half of the season was under mj... and sid is -1. now atleast

Just remember at one point the shots were 12 to 1 in our favor. Fluery laid an egg. That's 2 games in a row. Let's go ahead and start a trade fluery band wagon.

In murray we trust.

Just remember at one point the shots were 12 to 1 in our favor. Fluery laid an egg. That's 2 games in a row. Let's go ahead and start a trade fluery band wagon.

In murray we trust.
- pensfan024

no need to trade him. we know what we have in fleury now. hte last few games have been horrible. absolutly horrible BUT he played good hockey before these few games

Just remember at one point the shots were 12 to 1 in our favor. Fluery laid an egg. That's 2 games in a row. Let's go ahead and start a trade fluery band wagon.

In murray we trust.
- pensfan024

I think it's smart business to see what Murray has this season. If Flower gets his mojo back & Murray shows he is ready then sell high on Flower - clear the cap space with an elc goalie + what Flower would return - a 1st, a good NHL player + prospect??

I think it's smart business to see what Murray has this season. If Flower gets his mojo back & Murray shows he is ready then sell high on Flower - clear the cap space with an elc goalie + what Flower would return - a 1st, a good NHL player + prospect??
- Aussiepenguin

he is top 10 in the league maybe even top 5 so ye he would bring back alot. but we can't win without a really good goalie.

he is top 10 in the league maybe even top 5 so ye he would bring back alot. but we can't win without a really good goalie.
- martox

That's why the organisation has to see what Murray is now. If Flower regresses or produces these types of performances on a regular basis his value will plummet due to his reputation. He is a top end tender now that will get a haul that can set us up for the foreseeable future. Would the Oil let Draisaitl + + go for Flower?

It's good business that's all. Sentimentality gets you warm fuzzy feelings but so does a hot bath on a cold night!

Some very ordinary play leading to GA - namely Kunitz on the SHG & Porter on the 5th goal. Hopefully that's it for this weekend & they tighten the (frank) up & play the way they can!!

Also, who else is expecting a chippy game if it's close?

That's why the organisation has to see what Murray is now. If Flower regresses or produces these types of performances on a regular basis his value will plummet due to his reputation. He is a top end tender now that will get a haul that can set us up for the foreseeable future. Would the Oil let Draisaitl + + go for Flower?

It's good business that's all. Sentimentality gets you warm fuzzy feelings but so does a hot bath on a cold night!
- Aussiepenguin

If we could get Draisaital for Fleury straight up you take that deal and run, thinking you get + + is absurd. LOL. One of the best young 2 way centers in the league for a 31 year old goalie who has had question marks around him his whole career... won't happen, Plus Edmonton just re-signed Talbot to a long term deal for over 4M per... they have no need to deal for a goalie.

If we could get Draisaital for Fleury straight up you take that deal and run, thinking you get + + is absurd. LOL. One of the best young 2 way centers in the league for a 31 year old goalie who has had question marks around him his whole career... won't happen, Plus Edmonton just re-signed Talbot to a long term deal for over 4M per... they have no need to deal for a goalie.
- Willaged

finding a good goalie is a hard task to do. they are a rare breed. so draisaitel we could get for fleury especially considering how damn much young talent edmonton has... so not impossible to get more. not much and worthwhile though I can agree.

Fleury is the biggest reason the Penguins survived the Johnston portion of the season with any chance of making the playoffs.

And after two bad games featuring quite a few weird goals that weren't his fault, "fans" turns on him.

Then again, folks turned on Crosby for a solid month earlier this year, so I shouldn't be surprised. I'm glad I grew up in an era when the norm was to have faith in your team's star players, even after disappointments.

Fleury is the biggest reason the Penguins survived the Johnston portion of the season with any chance of making the playoffs.

And after two bad games featuring quite a few weird goals that weren't his fault, "fans" turns on him.

Then again, folks turned on Crosby for a solid month earlier this year, so I shouldn't be surprised. I'm glad I grew up in an era when the norm was to have faith in your team's star players, even after disappointments.
- hardnosed

been 7 games. But the problem is fleury is much more important than crosby. if crosby had a slump other people would pick up the slack. but fleury is the last line of defense. maf has played great this year. just mad there is no avrage with him. either he is good or he is stone cold dead in the crease. he has played bad lately but I KNOW he will turn it around. but we can't afford maf playing bad right now. that is why I am mad.

Fleury is the biggest reason the Penguins survived the Johnston portion of the season with any chance of making the playoffs.

And after two bad games featuring quite a few weird goals that weren't his fault, "fans" turns on him.

Then again, folks turned on Crosby for a solid month earlier this year, so I shouldn't be surprised. I'm glad I grew up in an era when the norm was to have faith in your team's star players, even after disappointments.
- hardnosed

I'm not turning on him. As I've said its business. If you can clear 5m in cap space & (big &), recover valuable assets in a trade then bring in a top goalie cheap why wouldn't you do it?

I said that after Murray had a few games & Flower was still going great - so again I'm not turning on him.

As for Draisaitl - what sort of contract will he command?? That's the thing, with all those firsts it gets to a point when you cannot keep them all! I'd take Flower over the back up Talbot every day of the week - Talbot has been very ordinary in a lot of games & actually time shared the #1 spot. With a top goalie (not Talbot), the Oil are contenders!

I'm not turning on him. As I've said its business. If you can clear 5m in cap space & (big &), recover valuable assets in a trade then bring in a top goalie cheap why wouldn't you do it?

I said that after Murray had a few games & Flower was still going great - so again I'm not turning on him.

As for Draisaitl - what sort of contract will he command?? That's the thing, with all those firsts it gets to a point when you cannot keep them all! I'd take Flower over the back up Talbot every day of the week - Talbot has been very ordinary in a lot of games & actually time shared the #1 spot. With a top goalie (not Talbot), the Oil are contenders!
- Aussiepenguin

but as I said before. we need the best team we can field and they need to play their best right now. so we can't afford trading maf yet. if not murray pulls a hammond that is!

been 7 games.
- martox

Before last week he had given up 7 goals in 4 games, all wins.

Before last week he had given up 7 goals in 4 games, all wins.
- hardnosed

last 7 games 21 goals allowed were as 2 games wer shutouts = 21 goals allowed in 5 games... so tell me that is good plz...

If we could get Draisaital for Fleury straight up you take that deal and run, thinking you get + + is absurd. LOL. One of the best young 2 way centers in the league for a 31 year old goalie who has had question marks around him his whole career... won't happen, Plus Edmonton just re-signed Talbot to a long term deal for over 4M per... they have no need to deal for a goalie.
- Willaged

Id do that deal for Kessel.

you don't trade MAF until you know that Murray is the real deal, which i think he is however the sample size is too small. Judging MAF on two ugly games isn't fair either especially when Pitt is fielding half a line up of ahl call ups and borderline players at the moment. WBS with Murray and Jarry are also struggling for the same reasons being that WBS had a recent coaching change is dealing with injuries, most of their talent is in Pitt and is being backfilled by Wheeling players. Everyone needs to relax, the season has been really screwed up and regardless of the ottawa and TB games, Pitt when healthy has been trending upward.

you don't trade MAF until you know that Murray is the real deal, which i think he is however the sample size is too small. Judging MAF on two ugly games isn't fair either especially when Pitt is fielding half a line up of ahl call ups and borderline players at the moment. WBS with Murray and Jarry are also struggling for the same reasons being that WBS had a recent coaching change is dealing with injuries, most of their talent is in Pitt and is being backfilled by Wheeling players. Everyone needs to relax, the season has been really screwed up and regardless of the ottawa and TB games, Pitt when healthy has been trending upward.
- Reverend Killtaker

bonino is back soon right? and malkin hopefully will be back after the weekend.

As I've said its business. If you can clear 5m in cap space & (big &), recover valuable assets in a trade then bring in a top goalie cheap why wouldn't you do it?

- Aussiepenguin

If you could trade Sheary for Weber that would be great, but it's not realistic. Fleury isn't going anywhere - the assets he would bring back wouldn't be enough to justify the risk of handing over duties to a young, talented, but unproven goalie. Earliest I can see it happening would be after next season.

last 7 games 21 goals allowed were as 2 games wer shutouts = 21 goals allowed in 5 games... so tell me that is good plz...
- martox

You can't just ignore the shutouts because you want to...they happened.

And I was fine with him in the Philly game. Three goals allowed, but two were on the PP and he really locked things down when the Penguins came back. Goalie isn't about numbers, it's about timing. Part of the reason Fleury let the team down last night was because he needed to keep the door closed as the Penguins were dominating but not scoring.

You can't just ignore the shutouts because you want to...they happened.

And I was fine with him in the Philly game. Three goals allowed, but two were on the PP and he really locked things down when the Penguins came back. Goalie isn't about numbers, it's about timing. Part of the reason Fleury let the team down last night was because he needed to keep the door closed as the Penguins were dominating but not scoring.
- hardnosed

ye the philly game I can agree with.

You can't just ignore the shutouts because you want to...they happened.

And I was fine with him in the Philly game. Three goals allowed, but two were on the PP and he really locked things down when the Penguins came back. Goalie isn't about numbers, it's about timing. Part of the reason Fleury let the team down last night was because he needed to keep the door closed as the Penguins were dominating but not scoring.
- hardnosed

Under the circumstances, Fleury needed to rob a goal or two like Zatkoff did on Condra. But the Pens should have provided better scoring support at the start of the game when Tampa was sleepwalking. When teams roll over and die they have to take more of an advantage than merely a 1-0 lead.

ye the philly game I can agree with.
- martox

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