It wasnt the only hit tonight that left him wildly out of place either. Pretty much the norm for him, but on this night it forced Mason to bail him out with some great saves

also that first PPG was a thing of beauty

MCDAVID ALERT

Seriously did anyone see him absolutely own Johnson and Falk? What a disgusting goal

talking a lot to myself this morning...but I think I have finally come to admit that the Hartnell - Umberger trade was bad.

especially how Hextall danced around other cap moves, Hartnells contract would not have killed the flyers...I think Hartnell was a victim of Berube and a point they were trying to make and I think Hextall actually thought Umberberger was useful.

I am okay with it because it is what it is at this point...I dont mind the Flyers being worse and getting draft picks as they rebuild so in some ways it is a good thing....but overall it was not the type of trade a team should be looking to make

It's no different than the Vinny/LSchenn trade. In both cases Hextall gave up the better player(s) for a draft pick and future cap flexibility. With Umberger the Flyers gain $9.5m in cap space in 17-18 and 18-19, or $11.15m in cap space between 16-17 and 18-19 if they buy him out. With the Vinny trade they gain $9m in cap space in 16-17 and 17-18.

Gudas is playing a few too many minutes and needs to take out those type of plays from his game. I do like him and what he brings. Ideally he'd be on the third pair playing under 15 minutes a game.
- Marc D

He's much better than that. That's why he has the best possession numbers on the entire defense.

Looked liked a mis-timed hip check and he semi-turtled to avoid Lessio's stick/knees hitting him in the head. There wasn't any knee on knee contact either -- I don't really see any intent to injure there.

(unlike that Marchand hit)
- Tomahawk

I agree. It was a minor penalty, that the refs ignored and then overreacted to.

It wasnt the only hit tonight that left him wildly out of place either. Pretty much the norm for him, but on this night it forced Mason to bail him out with some great saves
- YuenglingJagr

He went for a hit in the first period and whiffed where he went completely out of control and almost fell to the ice. Ridiculous. Hit within the flow of the play.

Couple thoughts from last night. It was great to have Couts back. Loved Simmonds tearing it up against MTL with all the rumors to him being traded there. For the first time in a while, I'm really like B Schenn he's been playing really well last couple weeks imo. Gudas hit after seeing in slow mo, almost seems Lessio tried to pump the breaks and in doing so, exposed his left leg to stick out for the contact, having said bat Gudas was low. Too low.

I know it's a struggling Habs team, but if our team continues to pick it up and end up landing a pick outside top 10, who would be in favor of trading our first with Streit with retained salary + pick or prospect to move up in the draft? Realistically, what would it take to move top 5 or 3rd overall?

talking a lot to myself this morning...but I think I have finally come to admit that the Hartnell - Umberger trade was bad.

especially how Hextall danced around other cap moves, Hartnells contract would not have killed the flyers...I think Hartnell was a victim of Berube and a point they were trying to make and I think Hextall actually thought Umberberger was useful.

I am okay with it because it is what it is at this point...I dont mind the Flyers being worse and getting draft picks as they rebuild so in some ways it is a good thing....but overall it was not the type of trade a team should be looking to make
- YuenglingJagr

There are still unknowns about the deal, and how Hartnell plays in future years. I'm still okay with the deal.

Couple thoughts from last night. It was great to have Couts back. Loved Simmonds tearing it up against MTL with all the rumors to him being traded there. For the first time in a while, I'm really like B Schenn he's been playing really well last couple weeks imo. Gudas hit after seeing in slow mo, almost seems Lessio tried to pump the breaks and in doing so, exposed his left leg to stick out for the contact, having said bat Gudas was low. Too low.

I know it's a struggling Habs team, but if our team continues to pick it up and end up landing a pick outside top 10, who would be in favor of trading our first with Streit with retained salary + pick or prospect to move up in the draft? Realistically, what would it take to move top 5 or 3rd overall?
- arichardson22

More than that. Teams drafting that high are rebuilding. The Flyers pick and a 38 year old defenseman is not going to get the Flyers a top 5 pick. Flyers would have to include one of their top prospects.

talking a lot to myself this morning...but I think I have finally come to admit that the Hartnell - Umberger trade was bad.

especially how Hextall danced around other cap moves, Hartnells contract would not have killed the flyers...I think Hartnell was a victim of Berube and a point they were trying to make and I think Hextall actually thought Umberberger was useful.

I am okay with it because it is what it is at this point...I dont mind the Flyers being worse and getting draft picks as they rebuild so in some ways it is a good thing....but overall it was not the type of trade a team should be looking to make
- YuenglingJagr

All GMs make some bad trades, the good ones learn from their mistakes. I've been on board with his subsequent trades, so I think Hexy has learned from his mistake.

More than that. Teams drafting that high are rebuilding. The Flyers pick and a 38 year old defenseman is not going to get the Flyers a top 5 pick. Flyers would have to include one of their top prospects.
- MJL

What if we threw B Schenn in or Hagg along? So Streit (half retained) + our 1st, 2nd, Hagg and/or B Schenn. How far am I getting

What if we threw B Schenn in or Hagg along? So Streit (half retained) + our 1st, 2nd, Hagg and/or B Schenn. How far am I getting
- arichardson22

Start with the Flyers first pick and one of Sanheim, Provorov, or Kopencny.

There are still unknowns about the deal, and how Hartnell plays in future years. I'm still okay with the deal.
- MJL

Not sure why we are always revisiting this trade.

Yes it looks bad. But there were other reasons to it other then just hockey. I do believe the years and money were a big deal in this trade.

Also look at the top line flourishing now. And now we have a nice 2nd line with Couturier and Schenn and if we can get them a playmaker that can be a good start to transitioning this roster forward.

I know everyone loves Hartnell. He was a fan favorite. But the move was for the future no the immediate. This trade wont be able to fully be evaluated until once Umberger is off the books and we see where they allocate the space and what the roster looks like then.

Not sure why we are always revisiting this trade.

Yes it looks bad. But there were other reasons to it other then just hockey. I do believe the years and money were a big deal in this trade.

Also look at the top line flourishing now. And now we have a nice 2nd line with Couturier and Schenn and if we can get them a playmaker that can be a good start to transitioning this roster forward.

I know everyone loves Hartnell. He was a fan favorite. But the move was for the future no the immediate. This trade wont be able to fully be evaluated until once Umberger is off the books and we see where they allocate the space and what the roster looks like then.
- J35Bacher

If the Flyers still had Hartnell, they'd be a better playoff bubble team. If the Flyers were a top team, yea, it would be an awful trade, but they're not. Can't lose sight of the big picture.

If the Flyers still had Hartnell, they'd be a better playoff bubble team. If the Flyers were a top team, yea, it would be an awful trade, but they're not. Can't lose sight of the big picture.
- MJL

And I understand that. I know he would probably provide some points. I also look now and we have a flourishing top line and a nice 2nd line coming around if we can get a playmaker for Schenn and Couturier. I think next season you could see Konecny slot into that 2nd line spot.

For me moving forward I don't see a great fit for hartnell with how we are transitioning forward.

If the Flyers still had Hartnell, they'd be a better playoff bubble team. If the Flyers were a top team, yea, it would be an awful trade, but they're not. Can't lose sight of the big picture.
- MJL

excellent point. even tho it is tough to see them not be in the mix for the cup, i don't think hartnell gets them that much closer. the cap relief, when it comes, is the essence of this trade

And I understand that. I know he would probably provide some points. I also look now and we have a flourishing top line and a nice 2nd line coming around if we can get a playmaker for Schenn and Couturier. I think next season you could see Konecny slot into that 2nd line spot.

For me moving forward I don't see a great fit for hartnell with how we are transitioning forward.
- J35Bacher

Not sure, but I think Konecny is a RW. I don't know if he can play the left side.

Not sure, but I think Konecny is a RW. I don't know if he can play the left side.
- MJL

I thought he played both.


Right now I would be ok resigning Schenn to keep that line together. They just need to add a playmaker on the other side. Then I think you would see them really produce.

excellent point. even tho it is tough to see them not be in the mix for the cup, i don't think hartnell gets them that much closer. the cap relief, when it comes, is the essence of this trade
- hogweed

That is really why I mentioned it. The cap space when the Umberberger deal expires is the reason the trade was made. It is what a lot of people say and I just really dont buy it anymore. Hartnell has shown that he continues to produce and could be worth something. Instead we traded him for a guy that was going to be bought out anyway.

I know no one is perfect and hopefully Hextall learned from it.

Hartnell could be a great piece for a contender especially if CBJ holds onto some salary

I thought he played both.


Right now I would be ok resigning Schenn to keep that line together. They just need to add a playmaker on the other side. Then I think you would see them really produce.
- J35Bacher

I definitely want to keep Brayden Schenn.

I don't think there is intent to injure, but it's simply a bad decision by Gudas. He should remove the hip check from his arsenal.
- MJL

Gudas missed a hit and rolled like a tumble weed in the first play of the game. He looked like a buffoon all night.

I thought he played both.


Right now I would be ok resigning Schenn to keep that line together. They just need to add a playmaker on the other side. Then I think you would see them really produce.
- J35Bacher

I havent seen him play anything other than C or RW. He is a right shot so left would be his off wing. Ironically if he played LW on that line him and Schenn would both be on their off wings

I thought he played both.


Right now I would be ok resigning Schenn to keep that line together. They just need to add a playmaker on the other side. Then I think you would see them really produce.
- J35Bacher

I havent seen him play anything other than C or RW. He is a right shot so left would be his off wing. Ironically if he played LW on that line him and Schenn would both be on their off wings

That is really why I mentioned it. The cap space when the Umberberger deal expires is the reason the trade was made. It is what a lot of people say and I just really dont buy it anymore. Hartnell has shown that he continues to produce and could be worth something. Instead we traded him for a guy that was going to be bought out anyway.

I know no one is perfect and hopefully Hextall learned from it.

Hartnell could be a great piece for a contender especially if CBJ holds onto some salary
- YuenglingJagr

You can buy it or not buy it, but future cap space and flexibility is as much of an asset gained as a draft pick is.
I think it's a valid argument to say that it's possible to get more value for Hartnell, but the future years on his deal would be a deterrent to contender trading for him. I don't think there is any doubt that Hextall thought that Umberger would be a better player.