He's sorta okay.
- jmatchett383

Can't really see it, but he was tripped right before this play and still managed to get up and beat everyone up ice. He's so god damn good.

Can't really see it, but he was tripped right before this play and still managed to get up and beat everyone up ice. He's so god damn good.
- PhillySportsGuy

talk to me when he's elite

talk to me when he's elite
- funmaster18

Are we talking Jake Voracek elite?

Are we talking Jake Voracek elite?
- MBFlyerfan

no, real elite

talk to me when he's elite
- funmaster18

Honestly believe he's one of the 6 best defenseman under contract with the Flyers

no, real elite
- funmaster18

lol!

Honestly believe he's one of the 6 best defenseman under contract with the Flyers
- PhillySportsGuy

Is he better than Nick Schultz? Because he's played 1000+ games which means he's currently a great defenseman.

Honestly believe he's one of the 6 best defenseman under contract with the Flyers
- PhillySportsGuy

I really hope he's on the team next year

I had excellent beer and wings last night. good luck getting a rise out of me today

@Marc D - the wings were from the Keswick Tavern that I suggested you should go to whenever you are in town for that show at that place
- funmaster18

Try the wings at union jacks its about 5 minutes down the road from Keswick. The blue comet is a cool bar also.

Honestly believe he's one of the 6 best defenseman under contract with the Flyers
- PhillySportsGuy

certainly one of the most skilled...I sure hope we find out next fall

Exactly this, brotato chip

The cap space argument is a cop out. I thought that way but have seen the light. You cannot tell me that a player should be traded 3 years before you see any real cap relief as a reason for a trade
- YuenglingJagr

It was a flat out bad trade. Horrible. I'd gladly take Hartnell's scoring, levity, grit, leadership, and other intangibles back along with his cap hit and duration.

The signs were there on Umberger. Getting scratched regularly for underperforming on a bad Columbus team? That should have been a huge red flag.

Hartnell was (and still is in Columbus) a productive glue guy. At this juncture, Umberger is a guy you can replace with an AHL call-up. He is a stanp-up guy and the current reality may not be his fault. He was never fast and injuries have taken their toll on him. The reality at this point, however, is that Umberger is an overpaid mucker/grinder. Colin McDonald could come in and do the same thing at a better market value.

Try the wings at union jacks its about 5 minutes down the road from Keswick. The blue comet is a cool bar also.
- twotoekenn

I have never been to either, but know a few people that have. Not sure why I've never gone, but thanks for the suggestion

Is he better than Nick Schultz? Because he's played 1000+ games which means he's currently a great defenseman.
- jmatchett383

We need to ask Mason's opinion

I will admit I would probably not being saying this if he weren't still producing at a great clip. But the age is really the reason that I dont care that the deal happened. It is what it is so I will be happy with the cap space, but on the ice it has gone about as bad as possible
- YuenglingJagr

So what would having Hartnell done?

Probably no provorov because we might have been some points higher in the draft. Maybe no koencney then because they might have taken a forward if they missed on provorov.

See there is a ripple effect.

I'll wait until Umberger is gone and then see what happens with the extra money and roster space.

We need to ask Mason's opinion
- YuenglingJagr

When the goalie is happy, everyone is happy.

You're over estimating the value Hartnell had at age 32 with five years left on his contract.
- Feanor

He was traded for a guy who was going to be bought out...his value was under estimated

It was a flat out bad trade. Horrible. I'd gladly take Hartnell's scoring, levity, grit, leadership, and other intangibles back along with his cap hit and duration.

The signs were there on Umberger. Getting scratched regularly for underperforming on a bad Columbus team? That should have been a huge red flag.

Hartnell was (and still is in Columbus) a productive glue guy. At this juncture, Umberger is a guy you can replace with an AHL call-up. He is a stanp-up guy and the current reality may not be his fault. He was never fast and injuries have taken their toll on him. The reality at this point, however, is that Umberger is an overpaid mucker/grinder. Colin McDonald could come in and do the same thing at a better market value.
- Lexington Flyer

Awesome.

Columbus is last in the league and Flyers are actually pushing for a playoff spot and still rebuilding for the future at the same time.

I really hope he's on the team next year
- funmaster18

I would be surprised if and Konecny aren't on the team next year. Morin and Sanheim likely start in AHL. I would like to see Weal and Alt get looks this season.

So what would having Hartnell done?

Probably no provorov because we might have been some points higher in the draft. Maybe no koencney then because they might have taken a forward if they missed on provorov.

See there is a ripple effect.

I'll wait until Umberger is gone and then see what happens with the extra money and roster space.
- J35Bacher

Maybe Giroux gets hurt and we pick McDavid? Hartnell would've at least made the last two years more interesting from my perspective. The point is I think we got horrible value on a trade and there are better ways to clear cap space...this could be the part where he turns from Hextall the Grey to Hextall the White though.

So what would having Hartnell done?

Probably no provorov because we might have been some points higher in the draft. Maybe no koencney then because they might have taken a forward if they missed on provorov.

See there is a ripple effect.

I'll wait until Umberger is gone and then see what happens with the extra money and roster space.
- J35Bacher

This is bad rationale

Awesome.

Columbus is last in the league and Flyers are actually pushing for a playoff spot and still rebuilding for the future at the same time.
- J35Bacher

Flyers would be struggling too if they traded their best player and lost their second best player to injury

I would be surprised if and Konecny aren't on the team next year. Morin and Sanheim likely start in AHL. I would like to see Weal and Alt get looks this season.
- PhillySportsGuy

Konecny will have to develop physically before he takes on the NHL for a year. Hope it happens quickly!

Try the wings at union jacks its about 5 minutes down the road from Keswick. The blue comet is a cool bar also.
- twotoekenn

If you go to union Jacks gotta pair those wings with a burger.

Konecny will have to develop physically before he takes on the NHL for a year. Hope it happens quickly!
- YuenglingJagr

He's so fast and so good right now. He can help the bottom 6 next season.

Flyers are really just 2 good forwards from making the playoffs. I think Hexy can do some creative things this summer if he wants to trade for young talent, trade for more picks and/or move some money to create cap space. It'll be the first summer where he doesn't really have his hands tied.

Maybe Giroux gets hurt and we pick McDavid? Hartnell would've at least made the last two years more interesting from my perspective. The point is I think we got horrible value on a trade and there are better ways to clear cap space...this could be the part where he turns from Hextall the Grey to Hextall the White though.
- YuenglingJagr

Here is what I think Hextall was thinking.

A 32 year old power forward who plays a top 6 roll. 5 years left on his deal. What are the chances he continues to produce at a high level? If he does stop to produce, then where does he fit? Doesn't kill penalties. Not a strong defensive player. Not a terrific skater. Has a full NTC so he has say to where he wants to go.

In RJ I might be getting a roll player with 2 less years on his deal. This team isn't ready to compete for another couple years so I can handle a bottom 6 roll player. Hopefully he can chip in some scoring and also allows for young players to get a couple seasons in the AHL. Also lets guys like Schenn, Couturier, Simmonds take on a more prominate roll with the team.

Yes. They haven't got the production they wanted from Umberger. But Hextall was playing the odds.