I have wanted him for years

right now he will be a ufa

you can't teach speed
- homiedclown

Where's he play though?
3C?

They don't have an O'Reilly, but Boedker and Hanzal are decent pieces. I'd love to grab Boedker
- sbroads24

All previous points were good. Yotes are loaded. Imo they killed the deadline last year with yandle and vermette.

Also dont forget about DVorak, perlini and merkley.

I don't think it's bad for him. Players like Eichel and Larkin are the exceptions in cawlige hawkey, not the rule.

That said, I agree with seeing him in the AHL before I make any pencilings.
- Zschalberg

While Fasching's skating has gotten better (IMO), he's still got a ways to go
He's gonna need time in the AHL for sure

I didn't realize that Austin Matthews is playing with Marc-Andre Bergeron and Robert Nilsson on Zurich.

Hopefully he doesn't take too much advice.

Where's he play though?
3C?
- jdfitz77

LW

LW
- JVince11

He's certainly got the wheels to keep up with Jack
Is he ufa after this year?

I have wanted him for years

right now he will be a ufa

you can't teach speed
- homiedclown

He is a 50 point player the past three years, and he will be 27 by the middle of next season.

Is he a 50 point player and that's it, or can he still improve?

I mean, he is 26

Also, how large a deal is he going to get offered. I don't think I would overpay for him.

He's certainly got the wheels to keep up with Jack
Is he ufa after this year?
- jdfitz77

Yes he is a UFA. Probably get traded at deadline first.

Probably will want 6M per year though.

Agree with this...

I wouldn't move down any farther than us not getting one of Matthews, Puljujarvi, Tkahcuk, or Laine.

I'd want young D in any deal though...

so like Reilly from Toronto
Klefbom from EDM (doubt they'd give Nurse)
Werenski from CLB (doubt they'd give up Jones after just getting him)
- JVince11

Wouldn't it be such a feel-good story for buffalo to win the lottery at the Buffalo draft, have first overall pick, and trade Arizona born and raised Auston Matthews and one of our thirds for OEL

Boedker is good yes... but he is a 2nd line winger on almost any team in the NHL. Hanzal is borderline 2C on almost any NHL team as well.

I'd say Vermette is just as good if not better than Hanzal.

Neither of those are bonifide top line guys like Kane or ROR are.
- JVince11

Last two years

Boedker 62 points in 94 games
Kane 41 in 77 games.

I'd argue Boedker would be equal

Wouldn't it be such a feel-good story for buffalo to win the lottery at the Buffalo draft, have first overall pick, and trade Arizona born and raised Auston Matthews and one of our thirds for OEL
- Sabre_Tooth

orrr...... just keep Matthews... who is probably 3rd best young prospect in hockey...

Put Eichel and Matthews together for a Crosby/Malkin type combo for the next 10 years. Sprinkle in ROR, Kane, and Reinhart... and hey... look at that. That's a contending team for the next decade.



I get how good OEL is.. Doesn't make sense for ARZ to trade him. They have him signed long term as well. They don't need the money back either.

A player should progressively get better. Meaning that Larkin putting up those kind of numbers in his Freshman year is pretty damn good.

It's not a knock on Fasching at all. It's just a fact.
- HonkFortheGoose

To add to this discussion, players going over a ppg like Larkin at 18 years old is more of an accomplishment than a 20 year old doing the same thing in the same league.

Not trying to knock Hudson because he's a very promising prospect as I outlined yesterday, but making the assumption he makes the jump to a top 6 NHL line is a little bit more of a question mark than a guy like Larkin.

Last two years

Boedker 62 points in 94 games
Kane 41 in 77 games.

I'd argue Boedker would be equal
- sbroads24

If only pure points was the only argument to justify that statement.

Boedker is about as one sided of a player on the ice as possible. Kane is top 5 in the NHL in hits and is known to be a two-way player.

I bet there is not a single GM in the NHL right now that would take Boedker over Kane on their top line.

Boedker is good yes... but he is a 2nd line winger on almost any team in the NHL. Hanzal is borderline 2C on almost any NHL team as well.

I'd say Vermette is just as good if not better than Hanzal.

Neither of those are bonifide top line guys like Kane or ROR are.
- JVince11

Oh my no.

To add to this discussion, players going over a ppg like Larkin at 18 years old is more of an accomplishment than a 20 year old doing the same thing in the same league.

Not trying to knock Hudson because he's a very promising prospect as I outlined yesterday, but making the assumption he makes the jump to a top 6 NHL line is a little bit more of a question mark than a guy like Larkin.
- TheSabresTaco

Larkin is a pure goal scorer... Fasching is a 2-way forward.

Comparing apples to oranges if the PPG topic is the basis of your point. IMO

Last two years

Boedker 62 points in 94 games
Kane 41 in 77 games.

I'd argue Boedker would be equal
- sbroads24

Agreed.

My only question on Boedker is what is he going to get relative to his play.

Is he worth a long term deal at $6M per at 26, going on 27, being a 50-55 point player with speed?

I am not sold on that even though it is very likely the going rate for that kind of player.

If only pure points was the only argument to justify that statement.

Boedker is about as one sided of a player on the ice as possible. Kane is top 5 in the NHL in hits and is known to be a two-way player.

I bet there is not a single GM in the NHL right now that would take Boedker over Kane on their top line.
- JVince11

He is?

Oh my no.
- TheSabresTaco

Vermette has a higher PPG average in his career than Hanzal.

I'm not going to argue between what 2nd line center is better...

Larkin is a pure goal scorer... Fasching is a 2-way forward.

Comparing apples to oranges if the PPG topic is the basis of your point. IMO
- JVince11

There really isn't a solid argument other than Larkin is simply more talented and NHL ready than Fasching is. Because he's here at 19 years old and Fasching isn't at 20. Where will they both be after 1000 games? That remains to be seen.

Yeah they're different players, so comparing them is difficult. But if Fasching had Larkin's skill level, he likely would have left school already.

He is?
- sbroads24

He has 2:44 TOI all season on the PK. Has a .901 S% by goalies when he is on the ice. 32 total hits this season and 15 blocked shots.

And that he is their leading scorer with 34 points but is -18.

Talking statistically... yea... he doesn't look like a two way player to me at all.

Vermette has a higher PPG average in his career than Hanzal.

I'm not going to argue between what 2nd line center is better...
- JVince11

Come on. Vermette is garbage.

http://public.tableau.com...H3SMY3?:display_count=yes

There really isn't a solid argument other than Larkin is simply more talented and NHL ready than Fasching is. Because he's here at 19 years old and Fasching isn't at 20. Where will they both be after 1000 games? That remains to be seen.

Yeah they're different players, so comparing them is difficult. But if Fasching had Larkin's skill level, he likely would have left school already.
- TheSabresTaco

I don't even know where Larkin came into play for comparison... just because he recently came from college?

Look at it this way...

Chris Kreider spent 3 years at Boston College and then went straight to the NHL for the Rangers IN THE PLAYOFFS.

At Boston College Kreider went:
38 GP - 23 pts
32 GP - 24 pts
44 GP - 45 pts

Now... THAT is a good comparison of equal levels for Fasching. Are we going to say that Kreider only getting to be a PPG player his Junior year makes him a bad player??

C'mon now.

He has 2:44 TOI all season on the PK. Has a .901 S% by goalies when he is on the ice. 32 total hits this season and 15 blocked shots.

Talking statistically... yea... he doesn't look like a two way player to me at all.
- JVince11

You do know Kane has been on the ice for the most even strength goals against for forwards on the team right?

Wouldn't it be such a feel-good story for buffalo to win the lottery at the Buffalo draft, have first overall pick, and trade Arizona born and raised Auston Matthews and one of our thirds for OEL
- Sabre_Tooth

No that would be a horrible story

You do know Kane has been on the ice for the most even strength goals against for forwards on the team right?
- sbroads24

Okay... cool story. Goalies still have a .914 S% in ES play with Kane on the ice.


Still... if you were a GM... and you took Boedker over Kane as your top line LW. You wouldn't be a GM for very long.

Boedker is ARZ's leading scorer with 34 pts and is -18 on the ice too.