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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:48 PM ET
Its rather concerning to me that the linesman finished the game then spent the rest of the night in the hospital.
- JFlyers


In Novemeber, I was in a minor car crash on the way to work at around 7 AM. About 5 hours later, my head started to hurt, my neck got super stiff, and I had trouble focusing. Turns out I had a concussion, but the symptoms didn't become apparent for a few hours.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 28 @ 4:49 PM ET
Seems like he head 2 optionsL

Option 1: Bump into him and skate around him
Option 2: Violently cross check him in the back

Clearly Option 2 was the correct call.

- jmatchett383


I don't think he realized that it was a linesman that he ran into. Its very possible his vision was blurry to top things off. And like I said aggression is a symptom.

I've seen athletes go ape poop crazy on trainer, players, coaches, or even family after getting a concussion.

I'll try and find full video. I have a train to catch and I avoid this dumpster fire of a web site when I'm on mobile.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:50 PM ET
I don't think he realized that it was a linesman that he ran into. Its very possible his vision was blurry to top things off. And like I said aggression is a symptom.

I've seen athletes go ape poop crazy on trainer, players, coaches, or even family after getting a concussion.

I'll try and find full video. I have a train to catch and I avoid this dumpster fire of a web site when I'm on mobile.

- JFlyers00


So just attacking an unsuspecting player with a violent cross-check from behind and not realizing it's an official makes this better? If that's the take, then he should be suspended 10+ games for trying to inure a player.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 28 @ 4:51 PM ET
If you watch the full video, he goes to the bench after the hit like nothing even happened. He was obviously still dazed when he sat down.

But yes, he finished the game. Wideman finishing the game along with Henderson raises some serious questions about the NHL's concussion protocol in general.

I agree with your thoughts though. He's either gotta take that suspension or throw his teams medical staff under the bus. Its entirely possible they followed protocol though.

Its rather concerning to me that the linesman finished the game then spent the rest of the night in the hospital.

- JFlyers00

My eyes tell me he was dazed when he hit the linesman, but I can't say I know anything for sure. Neither possibility is ok though, it was either terribly undisciplined or terribly unsafe.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:51 PM ET
In Novemeber, I was in a minor car crash on the way to work at around 7 AM. About 5 hours later, my head started to hurt, my neck got super stiff, and I had trouble focusing. Turns out I had a concussion, but the symptoms didn't become apparent for a few hours.
- jmatchett383

This explains a lot of your posts
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 28 @ 4:51 PM ET
Makes no sense to me either. I like Kerry Fraser's take on it.
- Scoob


Detective First Grade Kerry Fraser!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 4:51 PM ET
Can anyone please tell me why Gagner is getting no love whatsoever? I mean yea last nights first goal was his fault, and even tho the puck was fired at him, an NHL player should be able to cradle or direct it in his own zone. Regardless, the guy clearly shows flashes of offensive skill and thats what we are lacking. Give him 10-20 games and see what he can do, were on the bubble anyway and probably wont make noise in the playoffs should we get there. why let him figure it out somewhere else next year if he can figure it out here for a modest cap hit.


- sjk540



Gagner is a one way offensive player, who has scored 1 assist in his last 15 NHL games this season. What "love" does he deserve? I don't blame Gagner for that goal. I did however not like both his and Umberger's efforts on the 3rd Caps goal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:52 PM ET
This explains a lot of your posts
- Nucker101


inorite
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:52 PM ET
So just attacking an unsuspecting player with a violent cross-check from behind and not realizing it's an official makes this better? If that's the take, then he should be suspended 10+ games for trying to inure a player.
- jmatchett383


This is the NHL we're talking about...

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 28 @ 4:52 PM ET
This explains a lot of your posts
- Nucker101


Hey Leslie shut your (frank)ing mouth
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:53 PM ET
My eyes tell me he was dazed when he hit the linesman, but I can't say I know anything for sure. Neither possibility is ok though, it was either terribly undisciplined or terribly unsafe.
- BulliesPhan87


I'm just glad to know that it should be okay to go around 2-handing players in the head as long as you're woozy, because it's not really your fault.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:54 PM ET
This is the NHL we're talking about...


- Nucker101


I love Shea Weber more than anyone else on this board, but there was no way he shouldn't have been suspended for that.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 28 @ 4:55 PM ET
I'm just glad to know that it should be okay to go around 2-handing players in the head as long as you're woozy, because it's not really your fault.
- jmatchett383

you're... welcome?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 28 @ 4:55 PM ET
I love Shea Weber more than anyone else on this board, but there was no way he shouldn't have been suspended for that.
- jmatchett383


Ranking of who loves him the most

But I agree...I absolutely cannot stand how big of an influence an injury to an opposing player goes into disciplinary actions
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 4:58 PM ET
you're... welcome?
- BulliesPhan87


If I ever need to kill someone, I'll make sure I get knocked in the head first so I can tell people that it wasn't intentional, which makes it okay.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
If I ever need to kill someone, I'll make sure I get knocked in the head first so I can tell people that it wasn't intentional, which makes it okay.
- jmatchett383


Who would steal 30 bagged lunches?
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jan 28 @ 5:01 PM ET
Gagner is a one way offensive player, who has scored 1 assist in his last 15 NHL games this season. What "love" does he deserve? I don't blame Gagner for that goal. I did however not like both his and Umberger's efforts on the 3rd Caps goal.
- MJL


You're right, he is a one way offensive player. teams still have success with these types of player. either putting them with 2 two way players or sheltering their minutes, etc etc. we've scored more goals all year than only one team in the league. maybe a little one way offense is what we need. the 2nd power play unit is in shambles, cant even start the cycle. why not put him in Girouxs spot on the second PP. he's right handed, creative, has a solid shot, and has been in this league for plenty of year to not be rattled by being on the PP. its not like that unit can get any worse. keep streit as the qb, gagner and couts on each half board, put read at the dot and raffl in front. its not gonna be the same makeup as the first line, but you need some offensive skill out there. what manning is doing on that unit ill never know.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 5:02 PM ET
Who would steal 30 bagged lunches?
- YuenglingJagr


I'll steal whatever I damn well please.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 28 @ 5:04 PM ET
If I ever need to kill someone, I'll make sure I get knocked in the head first so I can tell people that it wasn't intentional, which makes it okay.
- jmatchett383

Sometimes I get the impression you've been knocked in the head quite enough.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 5:04 PM ET
You're right, he is a one way offensive player. teams still have success with these types of player. either putting them with 2 two way players or sheltering their minutes, etc etc. we've scored more goals all year than only one team in the league. maybe a little one way offense is what we need. the 2nd power play unit is in shambles, cant even start the cycle. why not put him in Girouxs spot on the second PP. he's right handed, creative, has a solid shot, and has been in this league for plenty of year to not be rattled by being on the PP. its not like that unit can get any worse. keep streit as the qb, gagner and couts on each half board, put read at the dot and raffl in front. its not gonna be the same makeup as the first line, but you need some offensive skill out there. what manning is doing on that unit ill never know.
- sjk540


2 things:
1. A one-way offensive player has to be able to outscore his defensive shortcomings. That's why it worked for a guy like Briere but not Akeson. Gagner is not even close to Briere's level.
2. The Flyers don't have the depth to shelter him with 2-way players unless they hamstring his offensive game by playing him with plugs like VdV/PEB/White.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 5:05 PM ET
Sometimes I get the impression you've been knocked in the head quite enough.
- BulliesPhan87


I probably have, but that has nothing to do with my asinine posts. They're born out of anger, hyperbole, needing to urinate, and "edgy."
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 28 @ 5:06 PM ET
In Novemeber, I was in a minor car crash on the way to work at around 7 AM. About 5 hours later, my head started to hurt, my neck got super stiff, and I had trouble focusing. Turns out I had a concussion, but the symptoms didn't become apparent for a few hours.
- jmatchett383

I hope you're well now..

Your crash wasn't recorded and displayed to millions of people... There's no possible excuse you can give to justify Wideman and Henderson returning to the game. It was pretty clear to me that both parties should have sat at least the rest of the night.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 28 @ 5:07 PM ET
I probably have, but that has nothing to do with my asinine posts. They're born out of anger, hyperbole, needing to urinate, and "edgy."
- jmatchett383

Big, if true
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 5:08 PM ET
I don't think he realized that it was a linesman that he ran into. Its very possible his vision was blurry to top things off. And like I said aggression is a symptom.

I've seen athletes go ape poop crazy on trainer, players, coaches, or even family after getting a concussion.

I'll try and find full video. I have a train to catch and I avoid this dumpster fire of a web site when I'm on mobile.

- JFlyers00

Blake Griffin must have been concussed
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jan 28 @ 5:11 PM ET
So just attacking an unsuspecting player with a violent cross-check from behind and not realizing it's an official makes this better? If that's the take, then he should be suspended 10+ games for trying to inure a player.
- jmatchett383


It does not. He still should be suspended but not penalized as harshly or painted to be this total dbag...

He has no prior history of anything like this that I could find. And it's not like he's a rookie
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