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Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jan 27 @ 12:39 PM ET
Another thing to consider is that Eichel should easily have an extra 10 assists at the minimum looking at the beginning of the season and all the missed opportunities by his linemates. They weren't adjusted to his skill set and I think you're now seeing them finally elevating their game when they play with him.
- 50GinosIn07


You may be able to say that about anyone (although I have seen the Eichel plays), so that can't really be considered here, unless in the "overall" play evaluation.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jan 27 @ 12:39 PM ET
I agree, but the rule is two connective years of 10+ games or 40 games in nhl. So he is a "rookie".

When looking at the stats of Larkin, I was surpirsed to see his line mates stats, he is a +24 ?(!!!!!) what? Pretty good I would say...

- Lilroot9


Larkin or Panarin will win. I don't need an award telling me Eichel was the best player on the team this year, and will be one of the best players in the league in a few years.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jan 27 @ 12:39 PM ET
I would put Larkin and Domi ahead of Panarin. IMO
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


Why
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jan 27 @ 12:40 PM ET
Larkin or Panarin will win. I don't need an award telling me Eichel was the best player on the team this year, and will be one of the best players in the league in a few years.
- ImThatGuy


Its more of a personal award and Eichel will be amazing either way, so I agree.
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Jan 27 @ 12:42 PM ET
Panarin makes it fishy... bc of his age.
Cant blame a player for getting to play with good linemates.
Imo it's larkins at the moment. if jack can keep is current play for the rest of the season hell jump domi and give larkin a run
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jan 27 @ 12:45 PM ET
Panarin makes it fishy... bc of his age.
Cant blame a player for getting to play with good linemates.
Imo it's larkins at the moment. if jack can keep is current play for the rest of the season hell jump domi and give larkin a run

- yen6d1


So just because he played in the KHL he shouldn't be considered a rookie? What about Malkin when he was in the KHL should. He have not won Rookie of the Year then
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 27 @ 12:47 PM ET
Hard to imagine a 24 year old rookie in the NHL. imo
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jan 27 @ 12:47 PM ET
Hard to imagine a 24 year old rookie in the NHL. imo
- cabin


There's been a lot of rookies at that age
yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Jan 27 @ 12:48 PM ET
So just because he played in the KHL he shouldn't be considered a rookie? What about Malkin when he was in the KHL should. He have not won Rookie of the Year then
- gerbe75pts

No Larkin has 5 less games played and is also a +24
Paranin is my #2 right now
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 27 @ 12:51 PM ET
Panarin makes it fishy... bc of his age.
Cant blame a player for getting to play with good linemates.
Imo it's larkins at the moment. if jack can keep is current play for the rest of the season hell jump domi and give larkin a run

- yen6d1

if he continues this pace, he'll jump both of them and only have panarin to deal with
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jan 27 @ 12:52 PM ET
There's been a lot of rookies at that age
- gerbe75pts


How many have won ROY?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 12:53 PM ET
I'm sure you can do this with a lot of teams, including Buffalo, but nonetheless:

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 27 @ 12:57 PM ET
Hard to imagine a 24 year old rookie in the NHL. imo
- cabin

In 1990, 31-year-old Sergei Makarov of the Calgary Flames became the oldest player to win the Calder
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Jan 27 @ 12:59 PM ET
In 1990, 31-year-old Sergei Makarov of the Calgary Flames became the oldest player to win the Calder
- homiedclown



homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 27 @ 1:02 PM ET

- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Evgeni Nabokov won it at 25
Ed Belfour won it at 25
Peter Stastny at 24
Tony Esposito at 26

yen6d1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: maxim Afinogenov, NY
Joined: 02.21.2011

Jan 27 @ 1:04 PM ET
if he continues this pace, he'll jump both of them and only have panarin to deal with
- Michael Pachla

Agreed, i think this break only helps him.

Also:
I wish Gostisbehere started the season in the show. Awesome to watch and couldve possibly had his name in the mix too with another 20 GP under his belt
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jan 27 @ 1:07 PM ET
How many have won ROY?
- ImThatGuy


18
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 27 @ 1:07 PM ET
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Jan 27 @ 1:12 PM ET
18
- gerbe75pts



My point is, it has to be taken into consideration. Never said he shouldn't win it or should. But you have to take into account his games played as a professional (KHL) and his age, and playing with the best player in the NHL. That adds up, and pads stats. Again, not taking away anything from him. You have to be skilled to put up points like he is. But as far as the Calder goes, you have to take into consideration all of the above. Comparing an 18-19 year old kid vs a 24 year old with 5+ years of "pro" experience.
BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jan 27 @ 1:13 PM ET
So in Eks thread this was posted. 1996 draft. Is this the worst draft ever?

1 Ottawa Chris Phillips D
2 San Jose Andrei ZyuzinD
3 NY Islanders J.P. Dumont R
4 Washington Alexandre Volchkov R
5 Dallas Richard Jackman D
6 Edmonton Boyd Devereaux C
7 Buffalo Erik Rasmussen C
8 Boston Johnathan Aitken D
9 Anaheim Ruslan Salei D
10 New Jersey Lance Ward D
11 Phoenix Dan Focht D
12 Vancouver Josh Holden C
13 Calgary Derek Morris D
14 St. Louis Marty Reasoner C
15 Philadelphia Dainius Zubrus C
16 Tampa Bay Mario Larocque D
17 Washington Jaroslav Svejkovsky L
18 Montreal Matt Higgins C
19 Edmonton Matthieu Descoteaux D
20 Florida Marcus Nilson L
21 San Jose Marco Sturm C
22 NY Rangers Jeff Brown D
23 Pittsburgh Craig Hillier G
24 Phoenix Daniel Briere C
25 Colorado Peter Ratchuk D
26 Detroit Jesse Wallin D

- ImThatGuy


some longterm everyday NHLers, some busts, and 1 legit star (briere). pretty bad!
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jan 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
In 1990, 31-year-old Sergei Makarov of the Calgary Flames became the oldest player to win the Calder
- homiedclown



that's like gramps being crowned prom king.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
some longterm everyday NHLers, some busts, and 1 legit star (briere). pretty bad!
- BestRapperAlive

cullen taken in second rd
chara in 3rd rd
kaberle in 8th rd
Cory Sarich played the 9th most games from the group
houseofcards74
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Royal Oak, MI
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 27 @ 1:19 PM ET
In 1990, 31-year-old Sergei Makarov of the Calgary Flames became the oldest player to win the Calder
- homiedclown


They quickly changed the rule to be 25 and under after that season.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 27 @ 1:20 PM ET
cullen taken in second rd
chara in 3rd rd
kaberle in 8th rd
Cory Sarich played the 9th most games from the group

- homiedclown


Kaberle and a 2nd for Malkin
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 27 @ 1:23 PM ET
They quickly changed the rule to be 25 and under after that season.
- houseofcards74

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played more than 25 games in any single preceding season nor in six or more games in each of any two preceding seasons in any major professional league. Beginning in 1990-91, to be eligible for this award a player must not have attained his twenty-sixth birthday by September 15th of the season in which he is eligible. The latter fact was perhaps most prominent when in 1979–80, first-year phenom Wayne Gretzky was not eligible to win the Calder Trophy despite scoring 137 points (the previous rookie record at the time being 95), because he had played a full season in the World Hockey Association in 1978-79. The Toronto Maple Leafs lead all teams with nine players who've won the Calder.
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