I supported the deal at the time thinking other moves would be made besides Vanek. After the trade, I was very surprised with everyone saying Vanek had his heart set on Minny. I'm not sure I would have made the deal if I knew Vanek had his heart set on Minny? I would have rather made a coaching change and try to move Moulson for a goalie.
- ses111

this was the key - the Vanek deal for a lot of us made sense only if Snow had further moves planned to fix the weaknesses of the team that year - goaltending and defense. without making moves to fix those areas it was a really odd deal. Moulson wasn't going to be here at the end of that year and while the picks were excessive, we didn't suffer much losing them. Without any moves after that to fix the critical areas of the team that needed help, it was certainly a bad move. It only made sense as the first in a series of trades that never came.

No one is ever going to convince me that keeping Moulson was a good idea. He was a one dimensional player that could not compete when the pace picked up in the playoffs - proven with his invisible performance as an Islander and with Minny.

His current contract screams buyout and he's completely worthless without an elite center feeding him the puck in front of the net. Buffalo made a major mistake committing that term and cap hit to him and they'll need to buy him out before the end of it. He's even less tradeable than grabovski.

every team makes mistakes with drafting, trades, signings. The keys are to limit those mistakes and not have them hurt the team further down the road. If Grabovski and Kulemin had been signed to 5 years instead of 4, they could have caused us to lose JT as a ufa. Not saying that couldn't happen, but they're gone right when we're expected to need the cap space to sign Tavares. That's a good gamble.

There's really only a couple of areas I fault snow, but they are major ones. The loyalty to this coaching staff has been embarrassing given the lack of results and many clueless decisions the staff has made both during and outside of games, and his refusal to waive players who have nothing left to contribute to the team. It takes far too long for him to cut bait with players who clearly hurt the team when they play and there's a long list of those over the years.

I'm very interested to see what happens with the new owners this summer. You would have to think that McPhee is going to be our next GM (good and bad things there...martin erat for forsberg..) and that the coaching staff will be completely replaced if this team doesn't manage a long playoff run.

this was the key - the Vanek deal for a lot of us made sense only if Snow had further moves planned to fix the weaknesses of the team that year - goaltending and defense. without making moves to fix those areas it was a really odd deal. Moulson wasn't going to be here at the end of that year and while the picks were excessive, we didn't suffer much losing them. Without any moves after that to fix the critical areas of the team that needed help, it was certainly a bad move. It only made sense as the first in a series of trades that never came.

No one is ever going to convince me that keeping Moulson was a good idea. He was a one dimensional player that could not compete when the pace picked up in the playoffs - proven with his invisible performance as an Islander and with Minny.

His current contract screams buyout and he's completely worthless without an elite center feeding him the puck in front of the net. Buffalo made a major mistake committing that term and cap hit to him and they'll need to buy him out before the end of it. He's even less tradeable than grabovski.

every team makes mistakes with drafting, trades, signings. The keys are to limit those mistakes and not have them hurt the team further down the road. If Grabovski and Kulemin had been signed to 5 years instead of 4, they could have caused us to lose JT as a ufa. Not saying that couldn't happen, but they're gone right when we're expected to need the cap space to sign Tavares. That's a good gamble.

There's really only a couple of areas I fault snow, but they are major ones. The loyalty to this coaching staff has been embarrassing given the lack of results and many clueless decisions the staff has made both during and outside of games, and his refusal to waive players who have nothing left to contribute to the team. It takes far too long for him to cut bait with players who clearly hurt the team when they play and there's a long list of those over the years.

I'm very interested to see what happens with the new owners this summer. You would have to think that McPhee is going to be our next GM (good and bad things there...martin erat for forsberg..) and that the coaching staff will be completely replaced if this team doesn't manage a long playoff run.
- Isles_since_6

Completely agree 6. I know many of us were floored with the trade. I do not believe there were rumors that the Isles were in on Vanek? Most of us thought this was a signal Garth would be making other moves. He mentioned he was not happy with the team at the time of the trade. Never made sense Vanek was it. I did not expect other big moves, but to not do anything else was very odd. Vanek was probably gone regardless, but Garth made it easy on him by not improving the team further.

I also had no issue on not keeping Moulson. I also thought Buffalo was crazy giving him that deal. I know the argument was Buffalo need to get to the Cap floor.

I think the major faults with Garth you pointed out were spot on. GM's all have good and bad moves, but Garth has really made ones like the coaching staff that have really hurt.

My thoughts are McPhee may be the next GM. He would probably not be my first choice, but it could work out? A new GM will have some nice pieces to work with and a proven coach could really do wonders. Really have to think the new owners want to put their stamp on the team. We will find out soon.

this was the key - the Vanek deal for a lot of us made sense only if Snow had further moves planned to fix the weaknesses of the team that year - goaltending and defense. without making moves to fix those areas it was a really odd deal. Moulson wasn't going to be here at the end of that year and while the picks were excessive, we didn't suffer much losing them. Without any moves after that to fix the critical areas of the team that needed help, it was certainly a bad move. It only made sense as the first in a series of trades that never came.

No one is ever going to convince me that keeping Moulson was a good idea. He was a one dimensional player that could not compete when the pace picked up in the playoffs - proven with his invisible performance as an Islander and with Minny.

His current contract screams buyout and he's completely worthless without an elite center feeding him the puck in front of the net. Buffalo made a major mistake committing that term and cap hit to him and they'll need to buy him out before the end of it. He's even less tradeable than grabovski.

every team makes mistakes with drafting, trades, signings. The keys are to limit those mistakes and not have them hurt the team further down the road. If Grabovski and Kulemin had been signed to 5 years instead of 4, they could have caused us to lose JT as a ufa. Not saying that couldn't happen, but they're gone right when we're expected to need the cap space to sign Tavares. That's a good gamble.

There's really only a couple of areas I fault snow, but they are major ones. The loyalty to this coaching staff has been embarrassing given the lack of results and many clueless decisions the staff has made both during and outside of games, and his refusal to waive players who have nothing left to contribute to the team. It takes far too long for him to cut bait with players who clearly hurt the team when they play and there's a long list of those over the years.

I'm very interested to see what happens with the new owners this summer. You would have to think that McPhee is going to be our next GM (good and bad things there...martin erat for forsberg..) and that the coaching staff will be completely replaced if this team doesn't manage a long playoff run.
- Isles_since_6

Agree 6, the fact that Vanek was a UFA made it an odd deal because there was no guarantee he was staying. As it was he couldn't even recoup a first round pick when he had to trade Vanek because the whole league except for Snow knew he was going to Mn.
His biggest mistake I agree as well his backing for Crappy and the staff after last years Po loss.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/27/islanders-1st-half-inconsistency-means-the-heats-on-garth-snow/
- ses111

Interesting that the inconsistency of the team is on the GM and not the guy who is running the bench game in game out?

Interesting that the inconsistency of the team is on the GM and not the guy who is running the bench game in game out?
- nyisles7

True nyisles7 but Garth can get rid of the guy running the bench and dump guys like Zid and Strait.

True nyisles7 but Garth can get rid of the guy running the bench and dump guys like Zid and Strait.
- ses111

For sure Ses, but he wasn't even mentioned and he's the guy running the game to game strategies so you would think he would be mentioned as maybe not doing a good job? Does Crappy have naked pictures of every reporter covering the team as well as Snow.

For sure Ses, but he wasn't even mentioned and he's the guy running the game to game strategies so you would think he would be mentioned as maybe not doing a good job? Does Crappy have naked pictures of every reporter covering the team as well as Snow.
- nyisles7

He probably figured Cappy is too easy to go after at this point.

He probably figured Cappy is too easy to go after at this point.
- ses111

- nyisles7

I do like the spotlight turned on Garth.

Not a Ranger on the list and JT takes a big slide.
http://www.tsn.ca/usual-s...-50-players-list-1.429857

Not a Ranger on the list and JT takes a big slide.
http://www.tsn.ca/usual-s...-50-players-list-1.429857
- nyisles7

Tavares named the all star metropolitan division Captain.

Tavares named the all star metropolitan division Captain.
- Spartiarti

- Cptmjl

- eichiefs9

Tavares named the all star metropolitan division Captain.
- Spartiarti

http://www.blueshirtbante...-for-the-new-york-rangers

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/1/28/10858498/andrew-ladd-isnt-the-answer-for-the-new-york-rangers
- ses111

- Cptmjl

- Cptmjl

look it's a penguin going to work, i sure wish garth would do some work

look it's a penguin going to work, i sure wish garth would do some work




- eichiefs9

Katy Perry without Elmo?

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/1/28/10858498/andrew-ladd-isnt-the-answer-for-the-new-york-rangers
- ses111

I read something from that site awhile back, it was the last time. I think thats the asylum where they keep all the slow Rangers fans.

I read something from that site awhile back, it was the last time. I think thats the asylum where they keep all the slow Rangers fans.
- mdw7413

Not all Ranger fans are slow?