I actually think it will be a fresh start when nobody mentions firing Snow or Cappy for two consecutive posts
- Vukota

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- nyisles7

Not a surprise. Would have been nice to see an Islander on one of those lists.

I actually think it will be a fresh start when nobody mentions firing Snow or Cappy for two hours
- Vukota

Fresh starts are overrated.

great deal - a 25 year old playmaker and a pick for a 29yr old dman that is as useful as Strait on defense. that will make us a playoff team.
especially when Bernier takes Bailey spot and we get even less production.

When Snow made a move given up essentially nothing to get Vanek. Everyone was up in air for trading away our 1st round pick to Buffalo.

I actually think Snow does a better job than most the GMs out there. Look at Toronto. they paying a coach 7MM a year, have drafted plenty of first rounder and they about to miss the playoffs again. Winnipeg, Columbus have made huge moves and are going to miss playoffs as well.

Here we are 3rd in East and we looking to make trades b/c we already know we wont go far in playoffs?
- Spartiarti

While I wouldn't make that deal either who is this play maker you are talking about?

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- eichiefs9

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- eichiefs9

I couldnt make any guarantees.

So what's the deal is Pelech dying or something?

great deal - a 25 year old playmaker and a pick for a 29yr old dman that is as useful as Strait on defense. that will make us a playoff team.
especially when Bernier takes Bailey spot and we get even less production.

When Snow made a move given up essentially nothing to get Vanek. Everyone was up in air for trading away our 1st round pick to Buffalo.

I actually think Snow does a better job than most the GMs out there. Look at Toronto. they paying a coach 7MM a year, have drafted plenty of first rounder and they about to miss the playoffs again. Winnipeg, Columbus have made huge moves and are going to miss playoffs as well.

Here we are 3rd in East and we looking to make trades b/c we already know we wont go far in playoffs?
- Spartiarti

He gave up JT's wing that scored 30 goals 3 years in a row a 1st round pick and a 2nd. That's far from nothing. BTW we have Colberg to show for it, that's nothing. One of Garth stupidest moves ever other than keeping Crappy on at the end of last year imho.

He gave up JT's wing that scored 30 goals 3 years in a row a 1st round pick and a 2nd. That's far from nothing. BTW we have Colberg to show for it, that's nothing. One of Garth stupidest moves ever other than keeping Crappy on at the end of last year imho.
- nyisles7

I'd say getting Garth picked the right time to get out of the Matt Moulson business, though.

I'd say getting Garth picked the right time to get out of the Matt Moulson business, though.
- Snowblind

Who's to say Moulson doesn't score 30 with JT as his center for the next two years? At the end of the day we traded the player that gelled the best with JT who was also one of his best friends, plus a 1st and a 2nd and we have Collberg to show for it.
Not really one of his smarter moves.

If he wanted to get rid of Moulson he should have let him walk, It wouldn't have cost use a 1st and a 2nd round pick.

He gave up JT's wing that scored 30 goals 3 years in a row a 1st round pick and a 2nd. That's far from nothing. BTW we have Colberg to show for it, that's nothing. One of Garth stupidest moves ever other than keeping Crappy on at the end of last year imho.
- nyisles7

Moulson traded himself when he thought he was 5MM a year player. Moulson settles for 3-4MM he was getting and he would still be on team.

Also Vanek was massive upgrade over him. It was worth the shot. What has the 1st round pick turned into. what is moulson doing to help Buffalo?

Also do you remember Moulson in playoffs vs Pitts. Invisible. If Vanek resigned you think he was genius.

I don't see anyone complain about CLutterbuck for Nino anymore. CLutterbuck has 10 goals from 4th line and gets no PP time. Nino plays on top 2 lines and on PP and has 8 Goals.

Im not trying to antagonize anyone But facts are facts. Everyone is GM of year. I as much as I hate Capuano, he has the team in 3rd place at all star break. I think I can live with that.

This is a tough deadline for the Isles.

With Okposo, Nielsen about to be UFA, and the Hamonic situation, they clearly cannot afford to risk any more attrition by trading for a big-time rental. They are also clearly not cup contenders at this point, which would make trading for a big-time rental a gamble not worth making.

That said, they need to do a little something. The need for depth on D is obvious. As for forwards, it's sort of a go big or (stay) home scenario. They have the depth. They need the premium talent. I seriously doubt they'd be (should be) the winning bid on Ladd or Byfuglien. Staal and Hudler being available is predicated on their teams being out of it which hasn't happened yet. Boedkker is on a team that has been in playoff position most of the season and really could use a playoff round's worth of gate receipts. Considering all that, I actually think bringing back PAP for a 3rd or 4th round pick would make a lot of sense.

This is a tough deadline for the Isles.

With Okposo, Nielsen about to be UFA, and the Hamonic situation, they clearly cannot afford to risk any more attrition by trading for a rental. They are also clearly not cup contenders at this point, which would make trading for a big-time rental a gamble not worth making.

That said, they need to do a little something. The need for depth on D is obvious. As for forwards, it's sort of a go big or (stay) home scenario. They have the depth. They need the premium talent. I seriously doubt they'd be (should be) the winning bid on Ladd or Byfuglien. Staal and Hudler being available is predicated on their teams being out of it which hasn't happened yet. Boedkker is on a team that has been in playoff position most of the season and really could use a playoff round's worth of gate receipts. Considering all that, I actually think bringing back PAP for a 3rd or 4th round pick would make a lot of sense.
- Snowblind

Now this is something I can agree with. Something Articulated well. Very true, I think if Okposo and Nielson continue to help us the will earn whatever raise they looking for.
I would trade for Byfuglien in a heartbeat but this guy going to test free agency next year. Seems you better served holding on to Hamonic. Hamonic has value and should get us a return. It seems they want to Dump Ladd, If that the case and price I low, go for it.

This is a tough deadline for the Isles.

With Okposo, Nielsen about to be UFA, and the Hamonic situation, they clearly cannot afford to risk any more attrition by trading for a big-time rental. They are also clearly not cup contenders at this point, which would make trading for a big-time rental a gamble not worth making.

That said, they need to do a little something. The need for depth on D is obvious. As for forwards, it's sort of a go big or (stay) home scenario. They have the depth. They need the premium talent. I seriously doubt they'd be (should be) the winning bid on Ladd or Byfuglien. Staal and Hudler being available is predicated on their teams being out of it which hasn't happened yet. Boedkker is on a team that has been in playoff position most of the season and really could use a playoff round's worth of gate receipts. Considering all that, I actually think bringing back PAP for a 3rd or 4th round pick would make a lot of sense.
- Snowblind

Trading for Boedker is like trading for a more disappointing Josh Bailey. Same draft year, More of a scorer but a consistent Minus rating.

Who's to say Moulson doesn't score 30 with JT as his center for the next two years? At the end of the day we traded the player that gelled the best with JT who was also one of his best friends, plus a 1st and a 2nd and we have Collberg to show for it.
Not really one of his smarter moves.

If he wanted to get rid of Moulson he should have let him walk, It wouldn't have cost use a 1st and a 2nd round pick.
- nyisles7

It was a swing and miss for sure, but they essentially traded a 21st overall pick and a 51st overall pick for 50 games of Vanek and Collberg (who was a recent 35th overall pick himself). That's not a disaster. Obviously, if the Isles sucked last year and that pick was higher, it could have been. However, it is now water under the bridge(port).

The Sabres themselves dealt that 1st rounder away for Robin Lehner, which was a steep price to pay for a goalie when more than comparable goalies Martin Jones and Cam Talbot went for far cheaper, so, in the end, who cares? The got themselves a goalie prospect and paved the way for one of the worst contracts in the NHL in Moulson's.

Moulson traded himself when he thought he was 5MM a year player. Moulson settles for 3-4MM he was getting and he would still be on team.

Also Vanek was massive upgrade over him. It was worth the shot. What has the 1st round pick turned into. what is moulson doing to help Buffalo?

Also do you remember Moulson in playoffs vs Pitts. Invisible. If Vanek resigned you think he was genius.

I don't see anyone complain about CLutterbuck for Nino anymore. CLutterbuck has 10 goals from 4th line and gets no PP time. Nino plays on top 2 lines and on PP and has 8 Goals.

Im not trying to antagonize anyone But facts are facts. Everyone is GM of year. I as much as I hate Capuano, he has the team in 3rd place at all star break. I think I can live with that.
- Spartiarti

Sorry I don't think Vanek was a huge upgrade to MM. Both have done Richard on their new teams. Vanek is lazy and soft as hell.

Never complained about the Nino Cal trade. I love Cal, and Nino didn't want to be here. You said MM traded himself with his demands, Nino took that to new levels what line he should be on ice time and when he should be in the NHL vs AHL.

You can't antagonize me by saying the trade made for Vanek was a good smart trade. No one would. The trade was under scrutiny the day it was made. If he stayed who knows but If we had square asses we would poop bricks. Without knowing wether Vanek signs Garth can't make that deal Period.

Sorry I don't think Vanek was a huge upgrade to MM. Both have done Richard on their new teams. Vanek is lazy and soft as hell.

Never complained about the Nino Cal trade. I love Cal, and Nino didn't want to be here. You said MM traded himself with his demands, Nino took that to new levels what line he should be on ice time and when he should be in the NHL vs AHL.

You can't antagonize me by saying the trade made for Vanek was a good smart trade. No one would. The trade was under scrutiny the day it was made. If he stayed who knows but If we had square asses we would poop bricks. Without knowing wether Vanek signs Garth can't make that deal Period.
- nyisles7

Vanek has 14 goals and 15 assists in 49 games; Moulson has 4 goals and 9 assists in 49 games.

Vanek may be underwhelming for the Wild, but Moulson is an absolute David Clarkson-esque bust since returning to the Sabres.

It was a swing and miss for sure, but they essentially traded a 21st overall pick and a 51st overall pick for 50 games of Vanek and Collberg (who was a recent 35th overall pick himself). That's not a disaster. Obviously, if the Isles sucked last year and that pick was higher, it could have been. However, it is now water under the bridge(port).

The Sabres themselves dealt that 1st rounder away for Robin Lehner, which was a steep price to pay for a goalie when more than comparable goalies Martin Jones and Cam Talbot went for far cheaper, so, in the end, who cares? The got themselves a goalie prospect and paved the way for one of the worst contracts in the NHL in Moulson's.
- Snowblind

This has nothing to do with the Vanek deal. Colbert is a nice AHL player we will agree with that. Garth should have never made that deal just mho.

Moulson traded himself when he thought he was 5MM a year player. Moulson settles for 3-4MM he was getting and he would still be on team.

Also Vanek was massive upgrade over him. It was worth the shot. What has the 1st round pick turned into. what is moulson doing to help Buffalo?

Also do you remember Moulson in playoffs vs Pitts. Invisible. If Vanek resigned you think he was genius.

I don't see anyone complain about CLutterbuck for Nino anymore. CLutterbuck has 10 goals from 4th line and gets no PP time. Nino plays on top 2 lines and on PP and has 8 Goals.

Im not trying to antagonize anyone But facts are facts. Everyone is GM of year. I as much as I hate Capuano, he has the team in 3rd place at all star break. I think I can live with that.
- Spartiarti

Your right garth did what he thought was right if vanek stayed hik and jt would be on fire, btw i heard a rumor that if vanek stayed and the team was in a playoff position that we were going to trade for ryan miller thats why he over paid. .....again rumor no idea how true it is......also as much as i dont like cappy he has brought this team to the playoffs twice, and there in third place now. Is he perfect no but we could be alot worse right now

This has nothing to do with the Vanek deal. Colbert is a nice AHL player we will agree with that. Garth should have never made that deal just mho.
- nyisles7

Sure it does, because if the Isles were the big loser in the Vanek trades, then who was the winner? Ottawa? The Wild (who got nothing out of Moulson and were probably always getting Vanek anyway)? Certainly not the Habs since I'm not even sure if Vanek can enter the province of Quebec without a security detail.

Vanek has 14 goals and 15 assists in 49 games; Moulson has 4 goals and 9 assists in 49 games.

Vanek may be underwhelming for the Wild, but Moulson is an absolute David Clarkson-esque bust since returning to the Sabres.
- Snowblind

They both suck since they have left JT and the islanders. But how does that make the original deal a good one by Snow I'm missing your point. At the end of the day Colberg cost us a 1st and a 2nd .

Sure it does, because if the Isles were the big loser in the Vanek trades, then who was the winner? Ottawa? The Wild (who got nothing out of Moulson and were probably always getting Vanek anyway)? Certainly not the Habs since I'm not even sure if Vanek can enter the province of Quebec without a security detail.
- Snowblind

You just agreed with me why snow shouldn't have made that deal.

You just agreed with me why snow shouldn't have made that deal.
- nyisles7

I am not saying it was a good deal or pair of deals. I am just saying it was a swing and a miss. Instead of trading for a rental, it was a trade for close to a full season of a 1st line winger, but the team had issues in net, on the blue line and then JT got hurt in the Olympics so it was a gamble that didn't pan out. That is all.

They both suck since they have left JT and the islanders. But how does that make the original deal a good one by Snow I'm missing your point. At the end of the day Colberg cost us a 1st and a 2nd .
- nyisles7

Different magnitudes of sucking, though. Vanek has become an overpaid middle six forward who actually has been better this year than last year. Moulson might be the worst player in the NHL at this point since he is a one-dimensional finisher who has 4 goals in 49 games and zero goals in about 35 games.

You just agreed with me why snow shouldn't have made that deal.
- nyisles7

I supported the deal at the time thinking other moves would be made besides Vanek. After the trade, I was very surprised with everyone saying Vanek had his heart set on Minny. I'm not sure I would have made the deal if I knew Vanek had his heart set on Minny? I would have rather made a coaching change and try to move Moulson for a goalie.